Observer also says that AEW will be running another PPV before the end of the year
who are these "ROH stars" you speak of
sounds like a made-up term
who are these "ROH stars" you speak of
sounds like a made-up term
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Rush and...Jay Lethal? Do The Briscoes count?
But yeah, not the best of times at ROH right now. I'll always wish them well.
Not a big surprise at all that there will be at least one more big PPV for AEW before the end of the year.
ROH are deliberately allowing Delirious and Bully Ray to run their company
I can't have any sympathy
That's a good card. Will be a long show so there will have to be a couple of squashes. I think the women's tag title match will be good, they made that elimination chamber match work somehow with 2 extra teams and the fact a lot more can go wrong with the chamber shenanigans.
From Mave Deltzer:
WWE popularity metrics all on the downswing despite record profits, though with minor percentage drops. Spending has been cut back.
Some other AEW things...
-looks like AEW on TNT is now expected to do 500,000 to be considered successful/worthy of TV. Their shows will be treated "as live sports events" by TNT
-on AEW: "The reality is that every number to date, whether it be T-shirt sales during the first Hot Topic run, and live attendance for every show, both major and minor, since All In, has made no sense based on wrestling history." LOL
-mainstream interest in AEW isn't there right now (Double or Nothing is the only show that came close with 200,000+ Google searches, beating some WWE events and lower level UFC events)
-basically, nobody knows anything and all predictions are shots in the dark when it comes to AEW right now
-about All Out day 1 ticket sales: "A first day ticket sales number under 6,000 would be another lesson. Anything north of 6,000, which is about what a first day ticket sale for a Raw event would do, but not a sellout, would be good, and north of 9,000 would be great."
-the current AEW/TNT deal is already a multi-year deal
-"Just as important, if not more, is the quality of the show itself. That doesn't mean **** matches, although that would be good. It means the show has to look major league and not have gaffes. While some will jump on minor issues, they won't make a difference. The key is a crowd that looks good on television, and WWE has made 4,000 fans in NBA arenas look fine through clever ticket distribution and shooting, reacts well, star reactions to the stars, good promos before the live audience, good storylines and no embarrassing storylines. It's a balancing act because this is not and can't be a show for the few hundred thousand BTE fans who know all the inside references. This has to be an introduction show. And you can't introduce 30 new characters in one week and have any of them get over. "
WWE popularity metrics all on the downswing despite record profits, though with minor percentage drops. Spending has been cut back.
Some other AEW things...
-looks like AEW on TNT is now expected to do 500,000 to be considered successful/worthy of TV. Their shows will be treated "as live sports events" by TNT
-on AEW: "The reality is that every number to date, whether it be T-shirt sales during the first Hot Topic run, and live attendance for every show, both major and minor, since All In, has made no sense based on wrestling history." LOL
-mainstream interest in AEW isn't there right now (Double or Nothing is the only show that came close with 200,000+ Google searches, beating some WWE events and lower level UFC events)
-basically, nobody knows anything and all predictions are shots in the dark when it comes to AEW right now
-about All Out day 1 ticket sales: "A first day ticket sales number under 6,000 would be another lesson. Anything north of 6,000, which is about what a first day ticket sale for a Raw event would do, but not a sellout, would be good, and north of 9,000 would be great."
-the current AEW/TNT deal is already a multi-year deal
-"Just as important, if not more, is the quality of the show itself. That doesn't mean **** matches, although that would be good. It means the show has to look major league and not have gaffes. While some will jump on minor issues, they won't make a difference. The key is a crowd that looks good on television, and WWE has made 4,000 fans in NBA arenas look fine through clever ticket distribution and shooting, reacts well, star reactions to the stars, good promos before the live audience, good storylines and no embarrassing storylines. It's a balancing act because this is not and can't be a show for the few hundred thousand BTE fans who know all the inside references. This has to be an introduction show. And you can't introduce 30 new characters in one week and have any of them get over. "
Matt Taven was champ there once too! And holds a winning record over Volador Jr!
500k?
Well it's good they don't have insane expectations. I hope they get there.
Slight correction, that wasn't about All Out, it was about the first TV taping
He didn't say that was AEW or TNT's expectations, just general TV media people who are paying attention to the story.
I'm a terrible transmitter of information, clearly.
It's funny because the number that was floating around before was 350,000 a month or two ago. 500,000 makes me anxious, but I might not be giving AEW enough credit.
I do still
Ok
Alex Shelley was great
Bandido is ok I guess
Brody King I think I liked the one time I saw him
Cabana can be very fun
I always loved Dalton Castle's entrance but never saw him work
I'd watch a Jay Lethal match
Lmao Jay White is still on the roster page
Like Jeff Cobb
Like Gresh
Like Haskins
Like PCO
Rush I've not seen but everyone seemed to love him
Tracy Williams seemed neat the couple EVOLVE shows I watched
Hahahaha Ospreay and Sabre are still there too
I think anything above 300k they can work with and try to grow it
Anything above 500k is a really good starting point
Anything 1 million or above is a complete home run
Btw, peak TNA viewership was around 2 million when they had Hogan and Sting. Wouldn't be fair to expect that any time soon out of AEW.
Oh wait Lucky Kid/Gresh/Brookes vs Kingston/LAX is on the Natural Progression show, not the Alexandra Palace show? Wierd but OK, I'll happily take Kingston up close
Tracy Williams is the driest, most bland milquetoast "just a fucking guy" wrestler in any major company right now
dude inspires no strong feelings in any direction to almost anyone
if you didn't watch ROH you wouldn't know he exists because he never does anything notable in a positive or negative direction
dude inspires no strong feelings in any direction to almost anyone
if you didn't watch ROH you wouldn't know he exists because he never does anything notable in a positive or negative direction
I kind of expect somewhere inbetween 300 and 500K. It is super hard to tell though and is hard to predict until we see how TNT promotes it.
They're gonna push it hard, I can guarantee that
Timing is kind of a bummer because AEW starts before the NBA season does, but once that's going they'll benefit from plugs during those broadcasts every week.
I looked at their page a few days ago too and also laughed at some of the names still on there.
Yes they announced a few months back that with 2.0 a dedicated Windows App is discontinued
Is Ticketmaster only given a certain number of seats they're allowed to sell, or is their info 100% accurate for how many seats are actually left for a show? Just wondering because after scrolling across the All Out seating chart for tickets, looks like there are around 300-something tickets available if this chart is to be believed:
Most of the top rows say anywhere between 4 and 12 tickets left. But also wonder how many were picked up by scalpers.
Most of the top rows say anywhere between 4 and 12 tickets left. But also wonder how many were picked up by scalpers.
Looking at the MSG seating charts for WWE Raw and Smackdown on September 9th and 10th, and going by the "x tickets left" info for each section, looks like there are still about 1,500+ available for Raw, and 1,700+ available for Smackdown. Many sections say "100+ tickets." I just counted those as an even 100.
Raw on September 9th:
Smackdown on September 10th:
Not sure if that's good or bad.
Raw on September 9th:
Smackdown on September 10th:
https://www1.ticketmaster.com/wwe-smackdown-live-new-york-new-york-09-10-2019/event/3B0056EDF8D51BFC
Not sure if that's good or bad.
considering part of the reason they booked those was so they could have "sellout" MSG headlines like ROH and NJPW did last year
bad
Do you know if they made the same amount of seats available as those shows, or did ROH and NJPW maybe make fewer seats available for a quicker sellout?
They basically sold tickets as fast as they could release them. It was a legit sellout.
Nice. Well then...wonder if WWE will be able to sell out these shows. They've still got over a month to go.
It's interesting to read and hear reactions to this week's Raw and Smackdown from a variety of different sources. Twitter makes you think they were the best shows ever. And then Pollock and Wai make you feel like they were alright and an improvement in general. And Keller is mostly in line with that.
...but they all mostly agree that the Maria/Mike stuff is outdated and needs to go.
Still, the tide seems to be moving in a positive direction for the WWE. It's just going to take them a long long time to win back the goodwill of lapsed fans.
I watched the final 30 minutes of Raw this week. (the Brock/Seth and Samoan Summit stuff) I thought it was quite good and made the show feel alive and unpredictable. A few months ago, that Samoan Summit would have just been a boring contract signing with a predictable pull-apart brawl. This week, what I saw actually felt interesting and like there were unpredictable moving parts. Basically, raw.
That said, I had zero interest in Smackdown and doubt I'll be tuning into any part of Raw or Smackdown next week.
...but they all mostly agree that the Maria/Mike stuff is outdated and needs to go.
Still, the tide seems to be moving in a positive direction for the WWE. It's just going to take them a long long time to win back the goodwill of lapsed fans.
I watched the final 30 minutes of Raw this week. (the Brock/Seth and Samoan Summit stuff) I thought it was quite good and made the show feel alive and unpredictable. A few months ago, that Samoan Summit would have just been a boring contract signing with a predictable pull-apart brawl. This week, what I saw actually felt interesting and like there were unpredictable moving parts. Basically, raw.
That said, I had zero interest in Smackdown and doubt I'll be tuning into any part of Raw or Smackdown next week.
I've never seen what some people continue to see in Taven. If there was ever a case for "second-rate Shawn Michaels wannabe," he'd be up there before Ziggler for me. I don't know him as a person, but as a character and performer, he's never shown me much to make me care.
They'll certainly get some ads on TBS's MLB playoff coverage. They pushed that TNT Librarians show constantly a few years ago.
Sorry to slander you friend and beware some people will try to tell you CMLL Taven is good, don't listen to them.
Poor Chrissy b
He needs to post more content of his adorable cat, that'll get the numbers
I just remembered that Toronto doesn't like Bayley. She's going to get booed so hard at Summerslam against Ember Moon.
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