Observer also says that AEW will be running another PPV before the end of the year
who are these "ROH stars" you speak of
sounds like a made-up term
who are these "ROH stars" you speak of
sounds like a made-up term
Observer also says that AEW will be running another PPV before the end of the year
who are these "ROH stars" you speak of
sounds like a made-up term
Rush and...Jay Lethal? Do The Briscoes count?
But yeah, not the best of times at ROH right now. I'll always wish them well.
Not a big surprise at all that there will be at least one more big PPV for AEW before the end of the year.
That's a good card. Will be a long show so there will have to be a couple of squashes. I think the women's tag title match will be good, they made that elimination chamber match work somehow with 2 extra teams and the fact a lot more can go wrong with the chamber shenanigans.So if Dave's matches are all that is left to be added, these are the 14(!) Summerslam matches:
- Seth vs. Brock for the Universal Title
- Kofi vs. Orton for the WWE Title
- Finn vs. Bray
- Reigns vs. Bryan
- Goldberg vs. Ziggler
- Cedric vs. McIntyre
- Kabuki Warriors vs. Mandy and Sonya vs. Bliss and Cross vs. Iconics for the Women's Tag Titles
- Black vs. Zayn
- Shane vs. Owens
- Gulak vs. Lorcan for the Cruiserweight Title
- AJ vs. Ricochet for the US Title
- Trish vs. Charlotte
- Becky vs. Natalya for the Raw Women's Title
- Bayley vs. Ember for the Smackdown Women's Title
Idk, card looks pretty alright. Nothing that really jumps out as bad. Goldberg/Ziggler will probably be short. Women's Tag could fall apart if they don't lay it out right. Everything else seems solid.
World Wrestling Entertainment's second quarter numbers largely exemplified the pattern that the company will continue going forward.
Financially, things look great. The company will set profit records starting with the third quarter and particularly quarter four on top due to the new television deals with USA and FOX.
But product popularity continues to fall, slowly but steadily. Every legitimate measure of popularity is down, network subs, house shows, merchandise, PPV, licensing and television ratings. The only revenue segment up is worldwide rights fees for Raw and Smackdown, which by contract escalate each year. Even television advertising revenue is down.
Some other AEW things...
-looks like AEW on TNT is now expected to do 500,000 to be considered successful/worthy of TV. Their shows will be treated "as live sports events" by TNT
-on AEW: "The reality is that every number to date, whether it be T-shirt sales during the first Hot Topic run, and live attendance for every show, both major and minor, since All In, has made no sense based on wrestling history." LOL
-mainstream interest in AEW isn't there right now (Double or Nothing is the only show that came close with 200,000+ Google searches, beating some WWE events and lower level UFC events)
-basically, nobody knows anything and all predictions are shots in the dark when it comes to AEW right now
-about All Out day 1 ticket sales: "A first day ticket sales number under 6,000 would be another lesson. Anything north of 6,000, which is about what a first day ticket sale for a Raw event would do, but not a sellout, would be good, and north of 9,000 would be great."
-the current AEW/TNT deal is already a multi-year deal
-"Just as important, if not more, is the quality of the show itself. That doesn't mean **** matches, although that would be good. It means the show has to look major league and not have gaffes. While some will jump on minor issues, they won't make a difference. The key is a crowd that looks good on television, and WWE has made 4,000 fans in NBA arenas look fine through clever ticket distribution and shooting, reacts well, star reactions to the stars, good promos before the live audience, good storylines and no embarrassing storylines. It's a balancing act because this is not and can't be a show for the few hundred thousand BTE fans who know all the inside references. This has to be an introduction show. And you can't introduce 30 new characters in one week and have any of them get over. "
If this means I can see ROH stars on CMLL's Friday YouTube show, I'm for it. :D
500k?From Mave Deltzer:
WWE popularity metrics all on the downswing despite record profits, though with minor percentage drops. Spending has been cut back.
Some other AEW things...
-looks like AEW on TNT is now expected to do 500,000 to be considered successful/worthy of TV. Their shows will be treated "as live sports events" by TNT
-on AEW: "The reality is that every number to date, whether it be T-shirt sales during the first Hot Topic run, and live attendance for every show, both major and minor, since All In, has made no sense based on wrestling history." LOL
-mainstream interest in AEW isn't there right now (Double or Nothing is the only show that came close with 200,000+ Google searches, beating some WWE events and lower level UFC events)
-basically, nobody knows anything and all predictions are shots in the dark when it comes to AEW right now
-about All Out day 1 ticket sales: "A first day ticket sales number under 6,000 would be another lesson. Anything north of 6,000, which is about what a first day ticket sale for a Raw event would do, but not a sellout, would be good, and north of 9,000 would be great."
-the current AEW/TNT deal is already a multi-year deal
-"Just as important, if not more, is the quality of the show itself. That doesn't mean **** matches, although that would be good. It means the show has to look major league and not have gaffes. While some will jump on minor issues, they won't make a difference. The key is a crowd that looks good on television, and WWE has made 4,000 fans in NBA arenas look fine through clever ticket distribution and shooting, reacts well, star reactions to the stars, good promos before the live audience, good storylines and no embarrassing storylines. It's a balancing act because this is not and can't be a show for the few hundred thousand BTE fans who know all the inside references. This has to be an introduction show. And you can't introduce 30 new characters in one week and have any of them get over. "
about All Out day 1 ticket sales: "A first day ticket sales number under 6,000 would be another lesson. Anything north of 6,000, which is about what a first day ticket sale for a Raw event would do, but not a sellout, would be good, and north of 9,000 would be great."
500k?
Well it's good they don't have insane expectations. I hope they get there.
I'm going to look at the ROH roster page and see who is on there I like
What does TNT expect? 1 million?Slight correction, that wasn't about All Out, it was about the first TV taping
He didn't say that was AEW or TNT's expectations, just general TV media people who are paying attention to the story.
I'm going to look at the ROH roster page and see who is on there I like
I do still
I'm a terrible transmitter of information, clearly.
It's funny because the number that was floating around before was 350,000 a month or two ago. 500,000 makes me anxious, but I might not be giving AEW enough credit.
I think anything above 300k they can work with and try to grow it
Anything above 500k is a really good starting point
Anything 1 million or above is a complete home run
I kind of expect somewhere inbetween 300 and 500K. It is super hard to tell though and is hard to predict until we see how TNT promotes it.
I do still
Ok
Alex Shelley was great
Bandido is ok I guess
Brody King I think I liked the one time I saw him
Cabana can be very fun
I always loved Dalton Castle's entrance but never saw him work
I'd watch a Jay Lethal match
Lmao Jay White is still on the roster page
Like Jeff Cobb
Like Gresh
Like Haskins
Like PCO
Rush I've not seen but everyone seemed to love him
Tracy Williams seemed neat the couple EVOLVE shows I watched
Hahahaha Ospreay and Sabre are still there too
Unrelated. My Windows 10 WWE app stopped working. It was fine just a week ago. I guess the new version killed it.
Looking at the MSG seating charts for WWE Raw and Smackdown on September 9th and 10th, and going by the "x tickets left" info for each section, looks like there are still about 1,500+ available for Raw, and 1,700+ available for Smackdown. Many sections say "100+ tickets." I just counted those as an even 100.
Raw on September 9th:
Smackdown on September 10th:
https://www1.ticketmaster.com/wwe-smackdown-live-new-york-new-york-09-10-2019/event/3B0056EDF8D51BFC
Not sure if that's good or bad.
considering part of the reason they booked those was so they could have "sellout" MSG headlines like ROH and NJPW did last year
bad
Do you know if they made the same amount of seats available as those shows, or did ROH and NJPW maybe make fewer seats available for a quicker sellout?
They basically sold tickets as fast as they could release them. It was a legit sellout.
Oh no another Taven head in the thread.If this means I can see ROH stars on CMLL's Friday YouTube show, I'm for it. :D
They're gonna push it hard, I can guarantee that
Timing is kind of a bummer because AEW starts before the NBA season does, but once that's going they'll benefit from plugs during those broadcasts every week.
Sorry to slander you friend and beware some people will try to tell you CMLL Taven is good, don't listen to them.I've never seen what some people continue to see in Taven. If there was ever a case for "second-rate Shawn Michaels wannabe," he'd be up there before Ziggler for me. I don't know him as a person, but as a character and performer, he's never shown me much to make me care.