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[AV Watch] Jim Ryan: "creating a special low priced, reduced spec console is something that has not had great results in the past.”
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This has never been done before, but reduced priced, low spec PC hardware has been working fine when built properly
Last time I checked the Wii outsold the Xbox 360 and PS3. Jim is just straight up lying. Either that or he is really uninformed.
I think the better analysis would be to see how much better a console sells at $299 vs a $399-499 console. Once the sales dip and the S needs a boost we will see it discounted, which considering Sony is likely losing more at $399, will be harder. That is when the S will really sell units.
This doesn't compare. Lol. He's talking within the same model line. Not cross companies.
[TW : business talk, non-customer view expressed]
It's easier to be fooled than admitting it. Beside that yes, the Series S is an attempt to bully developers while pleasing publishers who command them by hammering console development, with a Steam Machine made to soften contradictions of being the publisher of Windows and the owner of a staggering console brand. Dismissing qualified professional observations coming from top-tier devs at Remedy, ID or Infinity Ward won't erase the legitimacy of their concerns.
I mean one could argue the Nintendo Switch is a "low price, reduced spec" system as it came out after the much stronger XOne and PS4.
And last I looked, it's doing alright for itself lol.
And last I looked, it's doing alright for itself lol.
yeah...so it's the lesser version of the main machine......is it not? 'lesser' doesn't mean just tech specs, but also some gameplay changing features that's taken out just so that a cheaper version can be sold.
People buying a gimped console for the chance to not get a gimped console, is like the perfect example of the height of the 360 crazy. Shit was crazy back then.
But how many people really did that outside of the big enthusiast crowd though? It's like saying the PS3 was a succes because you could install Linux on it.
Whenever consoles in the past launched with multiple models (usually less storage), the more expensive one pretty much always sold better. That said, the price difference has never been $200
The Series S makes much more sense in the economy of today than whatever image Jim Ryan is basing his assessment on.
Again, Series S + Gamepass is a super enticing proposition if you like to play games. And yes, MS has work to do/prove when it comes to their 1P games but gamepass already offers variety of games and many can find gems that are good and which are not an ultra-mind-melting-blowjob-giving AAA game.
So my take is that Jim Ryan is not basing his comment on current world wide situation..
Again, Series S + Gamepass is a super enticing proposition if you like to play games. And yes, MS has work to do/prove when it comes to their 1P games but gamepass already offers variety of games and many can find gems that are good and which are not an ultra-mind-melting-blowjob-giving AAA game.
So my take is that Jim Ryan is not basing his comment on current world wide situation..
Exactly. I've owned a base PS4 for the vast majority of this gen, and while I know it lags behind PS4 Pro and One X, it doesn't stop me from still getting wonderful experiences out of it. I just played through Death Stranding a few weeks ago, and the game still looks gorgeous. I'd have to go out of my way to watch 4k videos of it running on PC or PS4 Pro to start feeling inadequate about my version.
The average person isn't going to see the XSX as the baseline, and the XSS as some inferior version. They're going to see the XSS as the new console, and the XSX as the luxury version they don't really need. And short of Microsoft 4 years from now just throwing their hands up and going "Sorry, the Series S is too weak. We can't make any more games for it," most people will continue to be pretty happy with what comes out on that platform.
If he wasn't concerned, he wouldn't comment.
The only thing I can think of that would be anything remotely close was Nintendo not going HD for the PsWii60 era. They didn't believe HD penetration necessitated them doing a high end model, and as much I would have appreciated the approach Microsoft are taking here, they were vindicated. The difference this time is Microsoft have both the cheaper model pumping out next gen visuals at 2K / 1440p and another model covering the high-end. Parents are definitely going to appreciate the options.
The only thing I can think of that would be anything remotely close was Nintendo not going HD for the PsWii60 era. They didn't believe HD penetration necessitated them doing a high end model, and as much I would have appreciated the approach Microsoft are taking here, they were vindicated. The difference this time is Microsoft have both the cheaper model pumping out next gen visuals at 2K / 1440p and another model covering the high-end. Parents are definitely going to appreciate the options.
Oh, so he's just making stuff up then because I don't think there have been tons of examples of multiple console specs at launch (unless you want to count models with smaller storage space which I think would be a reach). So really that's not much of a better look.
plus that doesn't change the fact that the Wii is still a good example of a lower spec lower priced console being successful against higher priced higher spec competition.
this is what was said when reading between the lines. One could also notice some shaking in his voice when he was saying what he said..
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This certainly has never been done at launch of a new gen. MS is playing a different game than Sony... they know they wont outsell the PS so they are going after users. They have flat out said that.. they do not care where you play their games.. thats why they are pushing gamepass.
Jim seems to be fighting the old fights... his big ole console will sell.. and I bet you Phil congrats him on Twitter about doing so well. And then go about the plan he is putting in place. This is just an odd statement for Jim to say right now..
Jim seems to be fighting the old fights... his big ole console will sell.. and I bet you Phil congrats him on Twitter about doing so well. And then go about the plan he is putting in place. This is just an odd statement for Jim to say right now..
I was thinking directly of version's with less specs that came out at launch. If you include consoles coming out years later there's a lot more to choose from, but it's not really a fair comparison since the main console have been in the public eye for years, so people are much more likely to know about it and presumably buy it.
It will be interesting to see how it plays out for Microsoft, personally I think there's going to be a big market for the S considering what's going on in the world. I don't expect we'll see huge price cuts on the other next gen consoles through their life either.
In fact steam surveys shows that lower spec PC dominates the market.
A lower spec pc is more in line with a consoles cost. Though.
Have there even been past examples? I can't think of a single one either. Models with less storage space are nowhere near the same thing.
I mean I guess he's right - Consoles like the Series S have never done well in the past, because they never existed.
I think the Series S will sell like hotcakes over time. Especially because it's unlikely meaningful price reductions to the PS5 and Series X will come quickly this gen. A die shrink will be hard to accomplish.
I mean I guess he's right - Consoles like the Series S have never done well in the past, because they never existed.
I think the Series S will sell like hotcakes over time. Especially because it's unlikely meaningful price reductions to the PS5 and Series X will come quickly this gen. A die shrink will be hard to accomplish.
Don't forget the all access plan. $25 a month for a console and tons of games? That's going to look VERY enticing to a lot of people in the current economic climate.
I don't think he's questioning that a box like this can sell, but how long it can keep a user engaged.
Sony could put out cheaper consoles, but if they keep a user engaged in their ecosystem for shorter periods, that may not be how they want to approach things. The significance of selling a box isn't that sale, it's about starting a relationship for software sales, and they would like that to be undisrupted for as long as possible. A feeling that a box is no longer adequate is one possible threat to that engagement.
Microsoft is either betting that it can hold on to customers longer term with the Series S, or is less concerned about having 'high commitment' relationships with their customers in the first place. So much of their strategy suggests they're not as concerned about using boxes for longer term engagement, so this difference in approach isn't that surprising.
There's a relationship between engagement, hardware, the rate at which it needs refreshing etc. Between the data they have, and what each hopes for out of a hardware sale, Sony has a spot that they're comfortable with, Microsoft has another.
Jim Ryan, Sony Interactive Entertainment CEO and president, has touched base on the concept of releasing cheaper, lower-spec consoles, noting they have not seen great success in the past. As such, the format holder decided not to pursue this avenue with the PS5.
https://www.psu.com/news/ps5-dualse...ttery-capacity-1-5x-greater-than-dualshock-4/
I agree with him to be honest.
https://www.psu.com/news/ps5-dualse...ttery-capacity-1-5x-greater-than-dualshock-4/
I agree with him to be honest.
I feel the S is really geared towards big deals. Unless they manage lightning in a bottle that's when it it will do most of its sales
i'm guessing stuff like ouya and wii u
original wii is a successful example of this, but it had the motion controls as a unique selling point
it remains to be seen whether games pass will work as such a unique selling point to support an underpowered console, or if it will in practice turn out as more of a wii u gamepad feature that not a lot of people care about
No it isnt. Having 2skus with different amounts of replaceable storage isnt the same as having two SKUs that run games at different performance levels.
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[AV Watch] Jim Ryan: "creating a special low priced, reduced spec console is something that has not had great results in the past.” News
Can anyone think of what past examples he's referring to? I can't think of any. And do you think he's right? Wrong? I personally think a $299 entry point + Game Pass will be an extremely popular option for parents and casual gamers.
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But you also can do a lot more with a lower spec PC than a console, the value is much greater (work, video editing, etc...)
The thing is that gaming is an expensive hobby and in certain countries it has a prohibitive cost, even more with games cost raising in the current economic climate. I don't know if MS approach is going to work in the end, but the logic behind it, offering a next-gen experience to a cheaper cost making it more accessible makes a lot of sense and history showed us that lower priced consoles has done excellent, like the Wii.
yeah i remain sceptical on that whole "series s will sell gangbusters" that gets thrown around here a lot.
history has shown that era posters have no clue what will be succesful anywyay.
not saying that i would be surprised if it does but i'm not seeing it as a surefire hit.
history has shown that era posters have no clue what will be succesful anywyay.
not saying that i would be surprised if it does but i'm not seeing it as a surefire hit.
How is it disingenuous when it's clear he meant this in a gimped console terminology? Consumers have shunned consoles for having less or no features in the past. There is no guarantee Series S will be a hit especially considering it has to compete with PS4 at that $299 price point. If consumers dont care Series S is that much weaker then the Series X then they're not going to care that PS4 is weaker then the S.
should he not respond to a direct question from a press outlet?
It's console war time. Reading comprehension always goes out the window for a dig at the other side.
This forum has been unbearable to read lately. GAF tier trash.
