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xero273

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Jan 12, 2021
188
So why Amazon doesn't have a failover system? That's BS...

for companies like disney, netflix, and etc. I think it is up to those companies to implement their failover i.e. if their website is hosted at us-east-1 and it goes down they need to implement their failover in the other regions. that's how it works for us.

but for amazon's own stuff.. lol i have no clue.
 

Muffin

Member
Oct 26, 2017
10,343
Of course this happens the month I get Marvel Unlimited

Issues arent loading damnit
 

Violence Jack

Drive-in Mutant
Member
Oct 25, 2017
41,937
Yep. Needed to start up some instances to test a few services in our environment and haven't done a damn thing today.
 

Pwnz

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Oct 28, 2017
14,279
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As a DevOps tech lead at a medium size company, this is why I always object to cloud only compute. I'm always an advocate of hybrid on premise and cloud bursting. Don't put all of your eggs into one basket. Also if you're using a baseline level compute, on premise is pennies on the dollar for 24/7/365. Bursting is where it is economical because then you don't have to procure, power, and maintain peak compute forever.
 

Akronis

Prophet of Regret - Lizard Daddy
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Oct 25, 2017
5,453
people gonna learn today like they do every time this happens that AZs are not for BCP/DR/HA lol
 

leder

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Oct 25, 2017
7,111
As a DevOps tech lead at a medium size company, this is why I always object to cloud only compute. I'm always an advocate of hybrid on premise and cloud bursting. Don't put all of your eggs into one basket. Also if you're using a baseline level compute, on premise is pennies on the dollar for 24/7/365. Bursting is where it is economical because then you don't have to procure, power, and maintain peak compute forever.
100%
 

NullPointer

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,180
Mars
As a DevOps tech lead at a medium size company, this is why I always object to cloud only compute. I'm always an advocate of hybrid on premise and cloud bursting. Don't put all of your eggs into one basket. Also if you're using a baseline level compute, on premise is pennies on the dollar for 24/7/365. Bursting is where it is economical because then you don't have to procure, power, and maintain peak compute forever.
Wisdom, right here.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Oooooh. That's why Amazon kept auto-loading more and more items at the bottom of the page, preventing from being able to click on customer service (where I went because chat was failing to load on the app).
 

Pwnz

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Oct 28, 2017
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It's common sense, but I swear every 2 years someone in upper management sees a slide show taunting how the cloud is inexpensive, scales virtually indefinitely, there's no procurement time, and I suspect the real perk it is inline with company direction of downsizing IT honestly because of mismanagement.

I have to explain each time that cloud 24/7/365 is orders of magnitude more expensive and requires substantial investment from R&D to move all software tooling into cloud friendly technologies. We moved to git just a few years ago.

It's easier now that I'm at a much higher level but when I was like level 2 software engineer they didn't believe me and would spend months evaluating the cloud and we're like yeah you're right. Lol
 

cwmartin

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Oct 27, 2017
1,766
My favorite (read: least) thing about this, is all the numbskulls that come to the engineering team after an "outage" that effects our deliverables, and are always asking, "how can we protect ourselves from this in the future?" "What can we do to make sure we don't see this kind of outage again?" Yes, Diane, our 200 person company is capable of recursively and seamlessly implementing enough redundancy to keep ourselves protected from an outage that has impacted the largest companies in the world. Oh, you meant without increased costs? Of course you did.
 

BasilZero

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Oct 25, 2017
36,408
Omni
Some software that some people use at my company has a issue due to this outage.

Nothing I use is affected (work or home).
 

LGHT_TRSN

Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,146
My favorite (read: least) thing about this, is all the numbskulls that come to the engineering team after an "outage" that effects our deliverables, and are always asking, "how can we protect ourselves from this in the future?" "What can we do to make sure we don't see this kind of outage again?" Yes, Diane, our 200 person company is capable of recursively and seamlessly implementing enough redundancy to keep ourselves protected from an outage that has impacted the largest companies in the world. Oh, you meant without increased costs? Of course you did.

Just use Azure as DR for AWS!

/s
 

Labyrinthe

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Mar 12, 2018
952
Always have a DR in place or active-active architectures with other regions.

Surprised Netflix is having issues the way they do micro-services etc... they always said they were active-active-active between 3 regions in AWS.

For the on-prem believers, it's all about use cases. If you don't need to scale, build global web services and do AI/ML models, sure stay on-prem or try to build those services on-prem(good luck).
 

EloquentM

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Oct 25, 2017
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My favorite (read: least) thing about this, is all the numbskulls that come to the engineering team after an "outage" that effects our deliverables, and are always asking, "how can we protect ourselves from this in the future?" "What can we do to make sure we don't see this kind of outage again?" Yes, Diane, our 200 person company is capable of recursively and seamlessly implementing enough redundancy to keep ourselves protected from an outage that has impacted the largest companies in the world. Oh, you meant without increased costs? Of course you did.
sorry employers are dipshits.
 

LGHT_TRSN

Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,146
Always have a DR in place or active-active architectures with other regions.

Surprised Netflix is having issues the way they do micro-services etc... they always said they were active-active-active between 3 regions in AWS.

For the on-prem believers, it's all about use cases. If you don't need to scale, build global web services and do AI/ML models, sure stay on-prem or try to build those services on-prem(good luck).

I think the reason why the issues today impacted so many customers is due to the fact that their 'Global' services (like STS) map to us-east-1. We operate in us-west-2 and were still dealing with random API failures across various services we utilize.
 

skeezx

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Oct 27, 2017
20,196
i thought my phone was hacked until somebody on NPR off handedly quipped "well, with Amazon down and all..."

i didn't even take that to mean much until i saw this thread title and i was like oh okay. i feel dumb
 
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Oct 25, 2017
1,145
I wonder if that was why it was taking me 3+ hours to download builds at work? I already have issues since my team is on the other side of the world.
Ended up going and seeing Ghostbusters though so that's a win.
 

KDC720

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Oct 25, 2017
3,336
My workplace just switched over to Amazon Connect for the phones a couple of weeks ago, and they were down most of the day today.

I certainly enjoyed the quiet. Although I'm sure the higher-ups were pissed.
 

StereoVSN

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Nov 1, 2017
13,620
Eastern US
As a DevOps tech lead at a medium size company, this is why I always object to cloud only compute. I'm always an advocate of hybrid on premise and cloud bursting. Don't put all of your eggs into one basket. Also if you're using a baseline level compute, on premise is pennies on the dollar for 24/7/365. Bursting is where it is economical because then you don't have to procure, power, and maintain peak compute forever.
While this is somewhat true, diversifying across multiple cloud vendors or hell, even across multiple AWS regions would have mitigated impact of US-East-1 problems. The issue is that for some strange reason (i.e. $$) even larger companies put all their eggs into single region basket... which is nuts.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Fuck i have some Amazon packages that are supposed to arrive today that I need for work and the status hasn't been updated today. I hope logistics isn't completely fucked.

Oh for sure it messed everything up. Had some packages that was supposed to be delivered to my work this afternoon that I ordered two days ago, and the status still shows that it has arrived at the local Amazon facility at 4am this morning and no other updates.