Baby Reindeer - Netflix Show
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Can someone just spoil to me what happens in the show and why it's so bleak and why episode 4 is so great?
The show is about a man dealing with a stalker, and it breaks down how things got that way, and what he's doing to get out of the situation. But instead of just solely demonizing said stalker, it does also show how he played a part in it in ignoring the blatant red flags (not as in victim blaming, he has numerous voiceovers explaining his thoughts throughout the entire show, some of which has him critical towards himself), as well as finding moments to sympathize with the stalker due to them clearly being mentally unwell. What also makes the show strike a particular chord with viewers is that this show is not just based on a true story, but the lead actor is literally the person that went through these events.
It's bleak because well, dealing with a serious stalker is still genuinely terrifying, one example is her sending literally hundreds if not thousands of emails to him, among other troubling things.
As for Episode 4, it's less about it being "great" and more that the subject matter is just really dark stuff, in that
he was repeatedly drugged and sexually assaulted by a man who was mentoring him in becoming a better comedian. They don't explicitly show anything, but it's enough for you to get the picture and as such it is extremely disturbing. The entire episode is basically a flashback that essentially sheds some light on how the sexual assault partly informs how he has been passive in handling his stalker in the present day.
I despise Morgan as much as anyone but it was a very telling interview. He leaned on her just hard enough. She came across as completely unhinged and very much like the woman that she claims not to be in the show. The section where she refuses to tell him what qualifications she earned in university was particularly bizarre. It is definitely worth watching.
Of course, she claims to have not even watched the series, though knows everything that happens in it.
I didn't even knew while watching that the main actor is the guy who experienced this, holy shit..
Piers Morgan isn’t the problem with the Baby Reindeer interview – we are
If there are any ‘psycho stalkers’ in this story, it’s us – the people sitting at home trying to dig up information about real people
www.independent.co.uk
Not sure how this can end well.
I don't know how I feel about the show and I'm kinda in two minds.
The show is fantastic as a piece of entertainment.
However I kinda hate the real story aspect of it, I hate that I watched Piers Morgan interview a woman that's clearly unwell. I hate that they've obviously exaggerated and or straight up made up stuff to do with Martha which makes me feel uncomfortable.
The show is fantastic as a piece of entertainment.
However I kinda hate the real story aspect of it, I hate that I watched Piers Morgan interview a woman that's clearly unwell. I hate that they've obviously exaggerated and or straight up made up stuff to do with Martha which makes me feel uncomfortable.
I'm starting to see a bit of a backlash on the show and Gadd because the real life Martha was on Piers Morgan and she's clearly got issues, as the show delved into, and somehow that's Gadd's fault? Internet sleuths went after her and scumbag Piers put her on his platform.
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I dropped out of this after episode 6, it was too uncomfortable for me and the story started to go around in loops. I had someone tell me what happens in the final 2 episodes and I'm glad I didn't watch it. Martha is obviously ill but, to be honest, isn't mentally healthy as well. It makes for a very disturbing watch.
Not happy with myself for giving him a view, but the curiosity got the best of me and I watched the Piers interview.
Firstly, I thought the way Piers interviewed her and tried putting words in her mouth to try and get a big "admission" for his show was disgusting, but really not surprising for Piers.
Secondly, she's quite obviously lying throughout the whole interview, and obviously unwell.
I think it's very irresponsible for the media to give her airtime. It's not going to help her and the pressure and spotlight for her are going to be even worse for her mental health.
Firstly, I thought the way Piers interviewed her and tried putting words in her mouth to try and get a big "admission" for his show was disgusting, but really not surprising for Piers.
Secondly, she's quite obviously lying throughout the whole interview, and obviously unwell.
I think it's very irresponsible for the media to give her airtime. It's not going to help her and the pressure and spotlight for her are going to be even worse for her mental health.
I get what you mean but I think that's more a remnant/thematically tied into the stage show this is adapted from.
Yeah you're right. With the context that this was an adaptation from the original show does make some of its direction/writing choices more understandable. I wonder if some passages from the stage script were directly adapted to the show. This just makes me want to watch the stage version lol.
Mate you have no idea… and also it's not just about that. Keep watching.
It's actually really good at showing how he acknowledges that, and deals with the consequences. Fully admitting there's an element of fault and some sort of twisted co-dependence. It's well worth sticking with
I have been stalked and harassed so I have been avoiding watching this despite everyone around me talking about it for weeks... I didn't watch the interview with the woman, but seeing that was being discussed made me realise this really wasn't going to die down for a while. So I thought fuck it, let's get this over with.
Watched the whole thing in one sitting, I'm not a binge watcher and don't tend to do that.
I held it together until episode 6 and the confession.
It's something that sits in your head every day of your life no matter what you're doing. I stopped all of my social media, left the country, and cut off all contact. Before I left I was getting letters to which I would burn and not read because I would not respond online.
And despite most of my head thinking, this forum is not a space they would ever know about. Your name isn't attached. Part of me still thinks they must be there, still watching.
I'll never forget when I deleted my completely inactive for a near a decade Facebook, before getting an email from Linkedin, and it was them viewing my profile. It was instantaneous, they must have been refreshing my page for 8 years non stop. Then I went nuclear on every shred of me online. But I know they'll still be looking, and will probably find a way.
Watched the whole thing in one sitting, I'm not a binge watcher and don't tend to do that.
I held it together until episode 6 and the confession.
It's something that sits in your head every day of your life no matter what you're doing. I stopped all of my social media, left the country, and cut off all contact. Before I left I was getting letters to which I would burn and not read because I would not respond online.
And despite most of my head thinking, this forum is not a space they would ever know about. Your name isn't attached. Part of me still thinks they must be there, still watching.
I'll never forget when I deleted my completely inactive for a near a decade Facebook, before getting an email from Linkedin, and it was them viewing my profile. It was instantaneous, they must have been refreshing my page for 8 years non stop. Then I went nuclear on every shred of me online. But I know they'll still be looking, and will probably find a way.
When you realize the main actor is playing himself and reacting out all of his real life trauma.
Kind of mind blowing and wow just speechless for a second when I put that together.
Kind of mind blowing and wow just speechless for a second when I put that together.
God this is harrowing - I'm so sorry you're been through that and are still going through it. 😢
I want to start this by saying I don't mean to come across confrontational in any way, because I understand you haven't seen the whole show (and may never do so) but I personally know people who have been in situations like this, and when they've told me their stories and opened up, they have couched it in 'well I was flirting' or 'I should have been firmer i wasn't interested' despite talking to them for a long time, or remaining friends, flirting - now, I'm trying to be careful and sensitive to the point here, but I don't believe you'd be the sort of person who'd consider this 'leading on' in a away which would justify what someone in this case has gone through.
The show is incredibly nuanced and discusses everything in great detail. I feel most will leave the show with some sympathy for Matha - but that doesn't excuse anything she did, nor does it make Gadd the blame for his own stalking and sexual assault. We don't have to struggle in everything to find heroes and villains, but there's very little excusing what Gadd has been through, even if there are explanations for it.
And I do find this whole circus around lawsuits and interviews particularly distasteful. I'm tempted to suggest Gadd should have had the wherewithal to change even more of the piece to the point where it would have been impossible to find 'Martha', but I'm not in the place to tell a victim what they should or shouldn't do, that's what I'd say there.
I didn't know sexual assault was involved. Pretty much all I've seen is the trailer and the first episode. The first episode definitely gave me a really bad vibe like it had something against people like her with her looks or weight and I've definitely been in a situation where I was the less attractive one in a budding relationship and it became sort of a joke around a group of people and it just made me uncomfortable enough to bail out.
I don't remember them ever commenting on her weight or looks, come to think of it. I could be wrong. It certainly wasn't a focus. The focus was definitely her mental health.
Her looks are not addressed a single time.
Just watched this all in one sitting and it was really damn good and so, so heavy. Came really close to crying. The show does an eerily good job of making you empathize with Martha the same way Donny does. It's kinda scary.
Just watched this all in one sitting and it was really damn good and so, so heavy. Came really close to crying. The show does an eerily good job of making you empathize with Martha the same way Donny does. It's kinda scary.
I don't think he ever considered her not attractive. It was about troubled people in general rather than any kind of binary.
Not quite true. In the first episode, his coworkers come up to him and her in the bar and say "is this the one you've been telling us about? The supermodel?"
I agree the series doesn't dwell on her looks but it is referenced.
Oh yeah you're right. I think even then, it's the asshole coworkers who are outright depicted as terrible people.
Yeah, they're not exactly nice guys in the pub. Just your typical lads
absolutely that, yeah. I've watched it one and a half times and I hope to see this gentleman in some other new shows/movies.
I think the best way to describe it is it become really... heavy. It starts tackling very strong topics that it doesn't prepare the viewer for. If you watch the Trailer and go into it thinking it's this dark comedy about a Stalker, and then Episode 4 hits and it's like.. "Woah.. I didn't sign up for something this heavy involving these subject matters."
It's one those open secrets in the business but nothing has been done about it
I keep seeing this but the interview she did with that stupid guy, she lies multiple times and back tracks a few things. First never had his number to I left him a hand full of voicemails and so on.
Incredible show. For those who enjoyed this, I recommend another show, "I May Destroy You", if you haven't seen it yet. It deals with a lot of similar themes and also incorporates the real life experiences of the lead, but from the perspective of a woman creator.
