Back paddles should be mandatory for all next gen controllers
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I wouldn't really use them. I'd rather they just focus on build quality. Xbox Series joysticks are absolutely shocking.
I've been totally spoiled by them.
I have 8bitdo's controllers, a DualSense Edge and a grip for my Switch that all have them.
I hate the L3/3 buttons, especially if they're mapped for something important.
In Zelda for example, I map the crouch and dash buttons to the back buttons on my 8bitdo Ultimate and the game controls much better.
I have 8bitdo's controllers, a DualSense Edge and a grip for my Switch that all have them.
I hate the L3/3 buttons, especially if they're mapped for something important.
In Zelda for example, I map the crouch and dash buttons to the back buttons on my 8bitdo Ultimate and the game controls much better.
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Playing FF14 on my Steam Deck, I map L4/R4 to double tap of L/R (I use the bumpers instead of triggers for my hotbar). Perfect way of getting to the WXHB.
Agreed. They're the best thing to happen to controllers since dual analog sticks imo.
If they're standard next gen, I feel like they should also be independently mappable as well—not just used to replicate another input. I do think devs should start off by still providing classic button mapping schemes but eventually just letting games design around their presence would be nice to see imo.
If they're standard next gen, I feel like they should also be independently mappable as well—not just used to replicate another input. I do think devs should start off by still providing classic button mapping schemes but eventually just letting games design around their presence would be nice to see imo.
They should have been a feature going into this gen. Instead Sony and Microsoft insist on them being a extra premium feature.
yeah why would you settle for like 2 or 4 extra? this is clearly superior it just has a bit of a learning curve
I'd love to see the in-game tutorial for that one.
"To jump and hover, press the middle center button on the front lower side and then click the third wide button on the back right to its right (your left)."
yeup! imagine a world where you can sprint in a souls game and move the camera without doing the claw grip
designing a game around it. ie. if you're using back buttons instead of face buttons. those face buttons are now free for something else.
the advantage is obvious TBH
There should be one on each side as part of the default layout. Sell a premium controller with two more macros if you must, but two back buttons is a must going forward. I don't want to hear about it being too complicated for the average person. Games are too much for what we have now.
Does steam recognize the back paddles?
Elite 2 are easily removable. They are held in place with "magnets" so to speak.
Controller has crap quality control so not worth buying.
They really should be. I've had an Msft Elite V2 for almost 2 years with no issues. It sucks that 8bitdo and DS Edge only have two back paddles when the elite has 4. It's made it hard to go back to anything else.
I despise it too, it feels horrible. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a correlation with wear and tear from clicking the sticks and drift too.
I'd love to get a Dualsense Edge and be free of them, but I'm not paying almost as much as the price of a Switch or Series S for a single controller.
I love using them as a replacement for L3/R3 (which is what my default mapping is for my 8BitDo Pro 2), but I have yet to experiment with other mappings, which I'm assuming would be great for certain d-pad/face button inputs where you want to press one of those while still using the corresponding analog stick.
Now that I think about it, I haven't even looked into how to do any of the remaps for my Steam Deck. Probably should! LOL
Now that I think about it, I haven't even looked into how to do any of the remaps for my Steam Deck. Probably should! LOL
Personally I would settle for them being arbitrarily bindable on PC. We just had a discussion in the PC thread about this and aside from a few controllers (Xbox Elite and Dualshock Edge among them) having Steam Input support for binding the paddles/buttons, and a few other controllers supporting it via their own software or ReWASD, the situation out there is bleak if you want to bind the back buttons to something that ISN'T a controller input, like a hotkey. You can't do it with the 8bitdo controllers, for example. It feels like a lot of the reason for this is Xinput not really handling this kind of thing, but I'm not 100% sure about that.
Then you have weird edge cases like the Hori Split Pads on Switch, where it makes sense that you can only bind the back buttons to controller inputs (who's using a keyboard on Switch anyways), but you can only bind a button that exists on the half of the controller with that button! i.e. if you want to bind an ABXY face button to the LEFT back button, you can't. I assume this is a hardware limitation, i.e. the Switch never expects face button inputs to come from the left joycon so the Split Pads can only send that input from the right pad's back button.
Then you have weird edge cases like the Hori Split Pads on Switch, where it makes sense that you can only bind the back buttons to controller inputs (who's using a keyboard on Switch anyways), but you can only bind a button that exists on the half of the controller with that button! i.e. if you want to bind an ABXY face button to the LEFT back button, you can't. I assume this is a hardware limitation, i.e. the Switch never expects face button inputs to come from the left joycon so the Split Pads can only send that input from the right pad's back button.
I just started using the Flydigi Vader 3 Pro. Has 4 buttons on the back. Not the most ergonomically designed, but they work fine once you get used to them.
It also has two extra face buttons, which is very nice. I map one of them to be L3 so I never need to press the stick (also dislike that) to sprint; the button's close enough to the right stick that I can tap it without really having to interrupt camera control.
Scuf (has Corsair ever made a controller?).
They sued Valve and got a $4 million verdict over it. They actually lost a shitload if related patents on their site:
SCUF Patents | Controller Patent Innovations
Customize your SCUF® controller & game like the elite on PS5, PS4, Xbox Series X/S, Xbox One, PC & legacy consoles. Take your gaming to another level with SCUF® controllers!scufgaming.com
edit: ah I see, scuf is a corsair subsidiary. Anyway Scuf seems to own the patents.
What is the final status of that lawsuit because Valve appealed on grounds that prior art was not properly considered and i think Valve won an appeal
So is this still going on?
Controllers are already too expensive and have too many gimmicky features that developers don't implement.
Why do people hate clicking in sticks? It's almost always just a toggle to run or crouch or something. It's not like you need to keep it depressed while moving the stick.
It can be hard to do when the stick is at an angle for some people. It's also not intuitive. In game you see a prompt for L3 or R3 and those buttons are not labeled on the controller like the rest of them are.
I use the 8bitDo controller on PC, it's a really solid one. Mine is the 8bitdo Switch Pro controller or w/e, but it works well in "Xbox" mode (PC mode). The weird thing about it is that while I use it plugged in, the buttons change depending on whether you have it in "bluetooth" mode (Switch) or "2.4ghz" mode (PC/Xbox), even though it's plugged in ... like, back paddles don't work in "Bluetooth/Switch" mode, but they do in 2.4ghz mode.... even when it's plugged in and not using wireless at all. It's an odd design decision.
But it works great. I use it for Red Dead 2 on PC right now, because I hate "A to run / gallop" while also using both sticks.
They have an new Xbox one coming out with all of the same features, but just with the official Xbox branding, Share button, etc:
I'm excited for it after being really pleased with this controller
But it works great. I use it for Red Dead 2 on PC right now, because I hate "A to run / gallop" while also using both sticks.
They have an new Xbox one coming out with all of the same features, but just with the official Xbox branding, Share button, etc:
I'm excited for it after being really pleased with this controller
I do think that the paddles on the steam deck aren't the most ergonomic. My short time with a steam deck I didn't like them. It's all about grip for me. The Edge's dome buttons are out of the way and harder to press but also at more of an angle like my hands are so my middle fingers rest nearly perfect while the buttons on the steam deck are more vertically oriented.
My friend uses the back buttons for stuff like Saving in emulators and likes them. You could always try one of those backplates that come with better back buttons? I think JSAUX makes them.
The way that the back buttons on the Steam Deck are shaped and how the buttons actually function is counterintuitive. It feels like they would activate with a squeeze but you have to press the back of the Steam Deck itself in order for it to register. I can't get used to it.
Yeah i already think controllers have gotten really complex and i dont think we should be adding more by default cuz itd just end up being mandatory
I have an 8Bitdo Ultimate, but I have no idea what to use the back paddles for. I got it for the Hall Effect sticks, because Jesus fucking Christ I've had like 4 game controllers become worthless to drift in the last few years. 2 Xbox controllers, a Dualsense 5, and a non-Hall Effect 8Bitdo have all drifted after a year.
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Recently got a DS Edge and have been rewiring my brain to use the paddles. Never had a controller that had them before. I mapped the right one to R3 and the left one to triangle while playing FF7 Rebirth. The R3 is life changing.
I have one of those too; assignments varied depending on the game. For shooters, reload button was a usual pick. And for RPGs/games with a lot of "press to interact/talk," they let my thumb just sit naturally while the index/middle did the work. I liked it.
Yeah, if back paddles/buttons become standard extra inputs I'm out, I'm not going to contort my grip over the controller to avoid accidentally hitting a button I did not meant to press, especially since I already have a hard time avoiding doing that to the shoulder buttons/triggers.
Souls is the reason I can't live without backpaddles.
Map the right paddle to dodge/run/jump. Complete gamechanger.
Except this isn't some nonsense like having the controller rumble differently when you walk over glass, or making the trigger feel like it's broken when you play Spiderman
This is an ergonomic upgrade.
Hmm, yes, I see the appeal of putting the A/X button on the left paddle and playing an RPG with just one hand until you get into a battle or something.
Kinda like playing BG3 on mouse/keyboard, where its all just right-handed mouse interactions until you get in combat and use the keys for hotbar shortcuts. I'll try it next time I play an RPG with a controller.
Gotcha. If it's a physical issue I totally understand. Labeling is also definitely an issue.
I feel like if they add any more buttons I'll just turn into one of those people who hasn't played since NES and can't figure out how 3d movement works
