Banner of the Maid - SRPG masterpiece
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The breastplate is good, at least it's not boob armour but she still looks like she's 15, has made intentionally super cute and is an insanely short skirt with sexy stockings. It's not as bad as the other character but it still appears to be targeting a particular audience, just a different fetish.What if I tell you that not all the characters are like that?
Most of the characters are like this.
Is this absolute trash?
I don't mind some big tiddy characters on display if there's male characters too and the art style isn't terrible unlike for example xenoblade 2.
Just please tell me there's no lolis.
Just please tell me there's no lolis.
A friend of mine got that for me for Christmas though I haven't got around to playing it yet.
Yeah, that's what I figured. It's a shame because I really love FE but most indie SRPGs seem to prefer going with FFT-style gameplay which just never clicked with me as much.
Might I recommend Shining Force 1 and 2 (and 3 but thats hard to get) if you've never played them.
They were Sega Megardive (Genesis to Americans) SRPGs very similar to Fire Embelm though I personally think they are far better. They are available on the Megadrive/Genesis collections, mobile phones, GBA, you name it.
I'm positive Morrigan would back me up on this :P
I've played Shining Force a while ago. I remember not really liking it all that much but it's been so long that I can't really remember why. I probably should give it another go in the future
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Wait where do you find the screenshots? Ingame art only shows above top half, didn't realize she's wearing that short of the skirt. Fuck me :/
From checking the screenshots, there are a few okay designs, but the majority of the women in the game were created to appease a very specific kind of customer. It also annoys me how some of them look extremely young and are still somewhat sexualized.
I'm still enjoying the game a lot but yeah I felt embarassed recommending the game now.
Fell Seal is also a good game, though I didn't get far. I still prefer Fire Emblem style SRPG where strategy and resource management is more important than FFT style SRPG where RPG mechanics and class skills and abilities is key.
I just went to the Steam Screenshot section. I imagine there is a kind of ingame encyclopedia that lets you check all the characters, as there are a lot of these. Obviously, don't check it if you don't want to be spoiled on the game.
I've been holding out on trying SF in hopes it gets a Sega Ages release on Switch. The Phantasy Star release was amazing.
The discrepancy between how the male designs are treated vs how the female designs are treated is WILD.
Here are some of the male designs:
Here are some of the female designs:
For people (including the dude who was banned) that are wondering why this is shitty, ask yourself:
Here are some of the male designs:
Here are some of the female designs:
For people (including the dude who was banned) that are wondering why this is shitty, ask yourself:
- Why do only the male characters get at least somewhat period-appropriate costumes?
- Why are so many of the female characters designed to be so young and conventionally attractive where the males run the spectrum of age and even somewhat in attractiveness?
- What is gained from designing the female characters in this way?
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The discrepancy between how the male designs are treated vs how the female designs are treated is WILD.
Here are some of the male designs:
Here are some of the female designs:
For people (including the dude who was banned) that are wondering why this is shitty, ask yourself:
None of the answers to those 3 questions are cool for me because, regardless of the gender of the character designer, it's clear that the female characters are primarily designed for titillation and that really sucks. Given what the game appears to be doing with the male characters, the female designs are horrendous.
- Why do only the male characters get at least somewhat period-appropriate costumes?
- Why are so many of the female characters designed to be so young and conventionally attractive where the males run the spectrum of age and even somewhat in attractiveness?
- What is gained from designing the female characters in this way?
All the men look aesthetically pleasing too so it's not like you have to choose between appropriate designs and attractive. Hell I say when they go over board on trying to make these designs fan service-y it makes them less appealing.
I quite like the design of the lady in red in the image you posted. Get rid of the high heels and give her some appropriate boots and while not entirely realistic would at least fit a lot better.
Well this slightly sexed up looking teenager is meant to be bonaparte so take that as you will.
Wearing a skirt is "sexed up"? Thats as creepy as the big titty artwork.
Maaaaan the game looked pretty cool too. Had to ruin didn't they?The discrepancy between how the male designs are treated vs how the female designs are treated is WILD.
Here are some of the male designs:
Here are some of the female designs:
For people (including the dude who was banned) that are wondering why this is shitty, ask yourself:
None of the answers to those 3 questions are cool for me because, regardless of the gender of the character designer, it's clear that the female characters are primarily designed for titillation and that really sucks. Given what the game appears to be doing with the male characters, the female designs are horrendous.
- Why do only the male characters get at least somewhat period-appropriate costumes?
- Why are so many of the female characters designed to be so young and conventionally attractive where the males run the spectrum of age and even somewhat in attractiveness?
- What is gained from designing the female characters in this way?
Oh... boy. Some of the full portraits are much worse. That drummer girl in particular makes my skin crawl. Apparently some of the female battlefield sprites also have animated boob jiggle.
It's a shame because it would have been so easy to just... not do this. The developers made their choice though. If they really wanted people to talk about the gameplay and story, instead of breasts and lingerie, they would have made different choices.
I know where you're coming from. It sucks when you're enjoying a game and want to share your enthusiasm and talk about all the good points, but then it is all overshadowed by embarrassing content like this and it feels like there's nothing else to talk about. I don't blame you for enjoying it in spite of that. We all have things we enjoy but still have reservations about. I only have a problem when people dismiss other peoples' concerns.
It's a shame because it would have been so easy to just... not do this. The developers made their choice though. If they really wanted people to talk about the gameplay and story, instead of breasts and lingerie, they would have made different choices.
What? You don't think they look good? Aside from the guy with the moustache merging with his sideburns they all look pretty hot to me.
If you go with it into war... yeah, it is. And high heels too. Perfect to get across all dem bodies.
i'm going to go with no for the most of them. and none are showing any skin
Different strokes for different folks, I guess. My point was you don't have to show skin to have attractive character designs. Which is why the female character designs are so bad in comparison. The guys, imo, looks attractive even though they're wearing appropriate clothes. So no reason the girls can't also be attractive wearing appropriate clothes too.
Yeah, that juxtaposition of the male units vs the female units is... wow. Game can't decide if it's a serious SRPG or a porn game.
If it's really like Fire Emblem, can you permadeath all the egregious designs? Wouldn't get it even still, but I won't lie, that's what I do with Nowi every Fire Emblem Awakening run, rather than recruit her.
If it's really like Fire Emblem, can you permadeath all the egregious designs? Wouldn't get it even still, but I won't lie, that's what I do with Nowi every Fire Emblem Awakening run, rather than recruit her.
Here are some of the female designs:
Oh wow. Some of these are totally ok from the waist up. Then it goes from 0 to fanservice real quick, real hard :')
Good idea, lol. I can't do that because I'm terrible at SPRGs so I have to play with perma-death off 😢
Me saying that is creepy? :/
A skirt is not in itself remotely an issue. It's all about the situation and why they were designed that way, who the character is, circumstances etc. A short skirt on what appears to be a military officer to leave a thigh high gap, with high heeled boots? It's not practical and is solely there to make her more appealing for the male gaze.
This character isn't the worst offender in this game but even on her own I can see how it, and most of the designs here are not inclusive to women gamers and I personally find how young most of them look with their skirts, high heels and pigeon toes creepy. It takes all the immersion the game may have had and crushes it solely to try and get some attention for the male gaze and it makes me personally uncomfortable.
If you don't find it creepy then no problem, enjoy your game, apparently its a fun srpg if you can get past the designs. I just ask that you sit back and think about some of these designs when you see them, their purpose, the audience and how people may feel when they see them.
Every single female looks like they are a battle unit, but they are wearing high heels. Lots if games are guilty of this. Not just this one.
The guys in this game look fine. But since they look so normal it makes the females look like they are from completely different game with different art directions.
I mean the art skillfully done, but it is comical that this game is supposed to be taken seriously.
Like I said, I still might give the game a chance. If I were dead set on not playing games because of stuff like this, then I would have to stop playing every fighting game I own outside of Battle for the Grid and Them's Fightin' Herds. Almost all my JRPGs and Musou-like games would fit here too. I just love the gameplay too much. I'm a sucker for bad ass super moves and combat sequences and usually those games deliver in spades for me.
The guys in this game look fine. But since they look so normal it makes the females look like they are from completely different game with different art directions.
I mean the art skillfully done, but it is comical that this game is supposed to be taken seriously.
Like I said, I still might give the game a chance. If I were dead set on not playing games because of stuff like this, then I would have to stop playing every fighting game I own outside of Battle for the Grid and Them's Fightin' Herds. Almost all my JRPGs and Musou-like games would fit here too. I just love the gameplay too much. I'm a sucker for bad ass super moves and combat sequences and usually those games deliver in spades for me.
I was replying while reading, hadnt seen the full image at that point. It was more that a skirt counted as "sexed up". Though as you say, taken in full the character design clearly is for the purpose of titillation.
As an amusing aside, and this certainly in no way excuses the objectionable art, the actual Pauline Bonaparte probably would have been on-board with that uniform design. She was renowned as living for pleasure, dressed as a young girl late into her life, shocked high society by posing nude for sculptors and paintings. Though probably would not have been on board with the rank objectification.
While from a slightly later period its a shame they didnt take more inspiration from stuff like vivandiere's uniforms, or really just use the male uniforms but without the fetish bottom halves. As someone mentioned most of the designs take a hard turn, no pun intended, at the waist.
Not to speak for the other poster but you seem to be completely misunderstanding them. They are saying "The male characters are attractive and fully clothed. This makes the pandering female designs even worse in comparison because they show that you dont need to show so much flesh to be attractive." I mean they literally say "There's no reason you couldnt have attractive female characters with appropriate clothing."
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I'm sorry I think you're misunderstanding me completely here. I am absolutely not defending the female designs here.
When I said "different strokes for different folks" I said that in response to you not finding the men attractive. I do find them attractive which is my point.
My whole original post was me pointing out that the men looked attractive and that's proof you could give the women realistic and appropriate designs for war and that wouldn't make them look any less attractive.
Thanks for letting me know this game exist, I'll be picking this up when it releases on ps4 soon.
The art style looks trash, but I love srpgs. Is it too much like Disgaea? Because that game is the exception on my love for the genre, game is wack.
It's a relative blessing that we don't get to see the full designs during regular gameplay or in the visual novel-style cutscenes, only from the waist up, but I do agree they went overboard with some of those heels and skirt lengths.
I suppose I'll just have to shake my head at the developers here. I don't regret my purchase, because they didn't half-ass the rest of the game, but I also understand why these problems mean this one won't get as much traction as it could have. I can simply hope their next project is at least somewhat more inclusive and respectful of women.
This is more of a fire emblem clone.
defined units with personal skills and inventory/weapons.
What if I tell you that not all the characters are like that?
Most of the characters are like this.
Is this absolute trash?
From checking the screenshots, there are a few okay designs, but the majority of the women in the game were created to appease a very specific kind of customer. It also annoys me how some of them look extremely young and are still somewhat sexualized.
Yes, absolute trash.
*sees thread about a game called BANNER OF THE MAID*
*surprise, it has BOOBIES*
Honestly I was expecting worse given the name, but this is... not great. Curious to hear why people think the mechanics save it, though, what does it do better/differently than other SRPGs?
Also did we go this whole thread without mentioning the PSP SRPG classic Jeanne D'Arc?
*surprise, it has BOOBIES*
Honestly I was expecting worse given the name, but this is... not great. Curious to hear why people think the mechanics save it, though, what does it do better/differently than other SRPGs?
Also did we go this whole thread without mentioning the PSP SRPG classic Jeanne D'Arc?
This actually looks good. Thanks for sharing.
As for OP's game, no thanks :)
Can't help but feel both these questions would be answered by reading the thread. I mean for the latter it's mentioned as early as the 40th post.
If they really wanted to appeal to both audiences
It does when short skirts it's almost a requirement for females along with thighhighs. It's one of the most obnoxious Japanese character design cliches ever.
Death to otaku culture.
To be fair, the "Maid" in the title refers to the Maid of Orléans: Jeanne d'Arc herself. The banner she carried is an important plot point in the game.