This is the base level people should expect & then be surprised and happy if they exceed it by a considerable margin.
Tegra X1 prod line will be stopped I guess. We will get infos on January from NVIDIA.
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This is the base level people should expect & then be surprised and happy if they exceed it by a considerable margin.
Tegra X1 prod line has been stopped. So no X1 even upclocked!
Some close dev ara aware of.
He was probably referring to 12 nm leaving mass production for Nvidia.What do you mean stopped? TX1+ is what all newer Switchs run on. How would it be "stopped"
This is the base level people should expect & then be surprised and happy if they exceed it by a considerable margin.
Production line will be stopped at the begining of jan.What do you mean stopped? TX1+ is what all newer Switchs run on. How would it be "stopped"
He was probably referring to 12 nm leaving mass production for Nvidia.
The issue with supporting DLSS is that the SoC would inherently be more powerful than the base switch. Using deep learning super sampling also requires a minimum amount of performance from the gpu in order to scale frames on time.I feel like they should have a slightly upgraded chip that supports DLSS and call it a day for the Pro. No need for anything more than that for now
Tegra X1 prod line has been stopped. So no X1 even upclocked!
Some close dev ara aware of.
Can you elaborate on this? What are your expectations for a Pro?
I feel like they should have a slightly upgraded chip that supports DLSS and call it a day for the Pro. No need for anything more than that for now
If the standard Switch is updated again, I don't think they'll increase the battery life. It is more than enough.So would they continue manufacturing base Switches at 8nm/7nm using the same TX1 layout? That would signal another huge boost in battery life, no?
And if this is happening in January how to will they have stock to ship in early 2021?
If the standard Switch is updated again, I don't think they'll increase the battery life. It is more than enough.
They could raise the clocks.It would be an inherent energy savings from shrinking the node. I guess they could offset it by reducing the battery size?
8 nmWouldn't this necessitate either moving to 8nm/7nm process by default then?
If they're stopping production, then Nintendo will be riding on whatever stock they have built up. I assume chips ain't the bottleneck they have right now, but other componentsOh what? What are they shipping from Feb till the launch of the new model?
Absolutely. And Nvidia has capacity at both manufacturers for 8, 7 (at Samsung too), (6) and 5 nm. Latest (and plausible) rumors are:Wouldn't this necessitate either moving to 8nm/7nm process by default then?
It will depend of the existence of a 2021 lite model. Mariko battery life on the 2019 hybrid model is tied to lite battery capacity. It would be really easier to release a lite model with a 7 nm SOC instead of a 8 nm one.It would be an inherent energy savings from shrinking the node. I guess they could offset it by reducing the battery size?
I would not be shocked if games started coming out that ran better on Mariko devices. All they need to do is unlock faster profiles in firmware.Then that wouldn't be a silent upgrade like the 2019 one was. I'd be shocked if we randomly start getting higher clocked units in February.
If they're stopping production, then Nintendo will be riding on whatever stock they have built up. I assume chips ain't the bottleneck they have right now, but other components
Then that wouldn't be a silent upgrade like the 2019 one was. I'd be shocked if we randomly start getting higher clocked units in February.
If they're stopping production, then Nintendo will be riding on whatever stock they have built up. I assume chips ain't the bottleneck they have right now, but other components
we don't know where their bottleneck is. from the NPD thread, October's surge ate into their november allocation which is partially why November was down. so they're allocating stock monthly. they could have plenty of chips but they're not implemented into systems yet for all we know.Considering how Switch has been sold out for the majority of the year in their two primary markets I doubt they really have much stock built up. I'd guess enough to ship for January but not all of February, assuming production of 12nm does end at the start of January.
Hopper is allegedly the chiplet design for non-gaming stuff while Lovelace (if real) will be the GeForce archAbsolutely. And Nvidia has capacity at both manufacturers for 8, 7 (at Samsung too), (6) and 5 nm. Latest (and plausible) rumors are:
- Hooper will be monolithic (on 7/6 or 5 nm).
- GA103 and the rest of the Ampere series will stay on 8N.
The Mariko revision solved one of the initial problems of the Switch which was battery life. I don't know the exact efficiency gain but going to 8nm without touching the clocks would probably push the battery life at an unprecedented high level.This stuff about the entire line going to a new node is giving me visions of 2019
Well get a new new Switch at 8nm but at the same clocks. In 2019 the die shrunk gave us the Lite this time it'll give us the Pro at higher clocks with some bells and whistles but it looks like both the base, lite and pro models will use the same chip eventually
we don't know where their bottleneck is. from the NPD thread, October's surge ate into their november allocation which is partially why November was down. so they're allocating stock monthly. they could have plenty of chips but they're not implemented into systems yet for all we know.
Kopite's latest leaks say that the MCM chiplets design has been ditched for Hooper (gaming? compute?) uArch.Hopper is allegedly the chiplet design for non-gaming stuff while Lovelace (if real) will be the GeForce arch
it's been delayed. the Lovelace rumor is from elsewhereKopite's latest leaks say that the MCM chiplets design has been ditched for Hooper (gaming? compute?) uArch.
Mariko efficiency gains was necessary for the Switch Lite. The upgraded OG model was just an added bonus.The Mariko revision solved one of the initial problems of the Switch which was battery life. I don't know the exact efficiency gain but going to 8nm without touching the clocks would probably push the battery life at an unprecedented high level.
Actually, kopite7kimi said that Hopper is still a MCM GPU, but it has been delayed.Latest (and plausible) rumors are:
- Hooper will be monolithic (on 7/6 or 5 nm).
- GA103 and the rest of the Ampere series will stay on 8N.
You are saying the X1 product line is closed. So in other words, you are excluding an 8nm TX1 as a possibility? So new chip then?
The Mariko revision solved one of the initial problems of the Switch which was battery life. I don't know the exact efficiency gain but going to 8nm without touching the clocks would probably push the battery life at an unprecedented high level.
The "pro" replaces OG, and a new "pro lite" replaces the lite. Basically what happened with new 3ds/ 2ds.So I guess there are three possibilities here.
1) 8nm TX1 to be used in OG, Lite and pro
2) 8nm TX1 to be used in OG and Lite, new 8nm chip for pro
3) new 8nm chip with full compatibility to be used in OG, Lite and pro
Did I miss anything?
The "pro" replaces OG, and a new "pro lite" replaces the lite. Basically what happened with new 3ds/ 2ds.
Actually, kopite7kimi said that Hopper is still a MCM GPU, but it has been delayed.
kopite7kimi also said that Nvidia's next-gen gaming GPU is a monolithic GPU, not a MCM GPU, but it's not Hopper.
Interestingly enough, RedGamingTech says he talked to kopite7kimi and said what kopite7kimi said about Nvidia's next-gen gaming GPU lines up with what he has heard about Nvidia's next-gen gaming GPU.
It sounds like Hopper is like Volta whilst "Lovelace" is like Pascal.
- fabricated at TSMC's 5 nm nodes
- planned for release in 2022
- codenamed "Lovelace" (after Ada Lovelace, a British mathematician who was one of the first computer programmers)
- is a monolithic GPU rather than a MCM GPU
- more of a evolution of Ampere than a brand new GPU architecture
I have the feeling that we will not see a die shrunk TX1 on 8 nm. That said, I'm not saying that the chip we will get on 8 nm will absolutely be a powerful one (a full gen upgrade). However 7 nm is still a possibility and if they decide to go on this node, there is close to no chance to only have a 'pro' upgrade.So I guess there are three possibilities here.
1) 8nm TX1 to be used in OG, Lite and pro
2) 8nm TX1 to be used in OG and Lite, new 8nm chip for pro
3) new 8nm chip with full compatibility to be used in OG, Lite and pro
Did I miss anything?
I doubt they put these out in Feb. Think they do what they can with the stock till the end of the FY.
This means the Lite is getting revised too, I presume?
a single chip as we've been having. MCM is more like how Ryzen CPUs work: multiple chips that speak to each other with an IO die
So I guess there are three possibilities here.
1) 8nm TX1 to be used in OG, Lite and pro
2) 8nm TX1 to be used in OG and Lite, new 8nm chip for pro
3) new 8nm chip with full compatibility to be used in OG, Lite and pro
Did I miss anything?
I really think this is leading up to a "New Nintendo Switch" next year
I really think this is leading up to a "New Nintendo Switch" next year
Let's it is a TX1 8mm for all models next year:
About 2x across the board, with 34 gb/s bandwidth. A pretty nice upgrade, really.Let's it is a TX1 8mm for all models next year:
How performance gain do we have on the Lite/Standard Switch assuming battery life stay the same ?
How big the gap could be between the updated Switch and the Pro ?
But then there would be no Pro right ? The updated Switch would serve as a "Pro" ?About 2x across the board, with 34 gb/s bandwidth. A pretty nice upgrade, really.
But then there would be no Pro right ? The updated Switch would serve as a "Pro" ?
Yep it doesn't line up in timing I agree. Plus, I am pretty sure the strategy is to have another member in the Switch family.The problem there is that they would in essence be discontinuing the original Switch. Probably pretty early in the year. That would be pretty strange IMO.
Is 8nm TX1 cheaper to produce than Mariko ?They could keep OG around at the same clocks even if they are using the same shrunk chip.
I wonder if there are any sort of binning going on. If there is , the lower quality chips will go into the lite and og Switches
nah, there's no point in making two variations of the same chip. that just means that they'll have stock sitting, waiting to be sold if one variation doesn't sell wellThey could keep OG around at the same clocks even if they are using the same shrunk chip.
I wonder if there are any sort of binning going on. If there is , the lower quality chips will go into the lite and og Switches
yes, because it'd mean more chips per wafer