Fallout 4 is littered with technical issues and fundamental design flaws. The entire gameplay loop revolves around a broken settlement system.
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Bethesda Is Officially Obsolete (The Jimquisition)
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Nah, not to me its not. I personally enjoyed it more than fallout 3. Havent played new vegas but im really enjoying outer worlds
Yet the worst takes in this thread have been by the folks claiming Fallout 4 was a bad game.
Bit disingenuous to claim a reaction to excessive hyperbole constitutes a 'defense force'
FO4 is fine. It's not great. It didn't deserve the GOTYs and stuff it got. But it's not a bad game.
Jesus.
The settlement system doesn't even have a point.
It's literally just mindless busy work that cuts into your exploration time.
lol
Oblivion, fallout 3 and 4, Skyrim at release and F76
They all share the same unacceptable state of affairs. Every single of these games got fixed by the community, people are just starting to see it
Its legit because these games got fixed by other people than Bethesda that they're good. But hey otherwise its open world and bethesda, so its always good smile :)
Not really, Fallout 4 was disappointing but I'll be right there for Starfield and TES VI.
No one makes games like them anymore.
No one makes games like them anymore.
I'm sorry, i cannot take anyone who calles fucking Fallout 3 or Skyrim bad games seriously. You all are literally insane.
Bethesda was obsolete since Fallout 3.
That game was my first wrpg (i was more of a JRPG guy until I was 20) and nearly made me get away from the genre forever thinking that was the best it could do becuase of everyone talking so greatly about it.
Thank god i gave mass effect a chance, and after than went all in with amazing games like the witcher series, kotor, new vegas, planescape...
I tried skyrim later and I only enjoyed the game when I added a mod called interesting NPCs. The base was absolute boring bug ridden fest crap.
That game was my first wrpg (i was more of a JRPG guy until I was 20) and nearly made me get away from the genre forever thinking that was the best it could do becuase of everyone talking so greatly about it.
Thank god i gave mass effect a chance, and after than went all in with amazing games like the witcher series, kotor, new vegas, planescape...
I tried skyrim later and I only enjoyed the game when I added a mod called interesting NPCs. The base was absolute boring bug ridden fest crap.
"Someone released a good game? Nah, shit's bad news. Better spin it in a way that shits on one of my favorite dumper targets. Nuclear meltdown failures is where it's at."
I usually like Jim's content, but the need to turn good games or good news into a cudgel that whacks on something he hates is just so offputting.
I usually like Jim's content, but the need to turn good games or good news into a cudgel that whacks on something he hates is just so offputting.
Because you post in them regardless.
Also that's not what Narcissism is.
I mean, to be fair, he did make a positive video about TOW.
It's just not THIS video.
It's been a WHILE since they've put out a good one.
Well Fallout 4 certainly isn't good by today's standards. And they put their name on 76 sooo what? That's an entire generation wasted.
Any other devs able to slowly sour an IP while the quality of their games drop over a decade and not have that alter their reputation?
You wanna get the context of my post right or ?
all of these games without exceptions were trainwrecks at launch, and still are without mods. It is known.
TES VI is the real test for me. Starfield as a new IP I can give a pass, but I want that Skyrim feeling again, and I want to see some actual innovation on the formula - better scale, better integrated RPG mechanics, better story and writing... There's a lot to improve on when you've looked at how games have evolved over the past 8 years.
I'm no Bethesda fanboy, but this argument seems silly to me. I never considered Bethesda games to be on the same RPG niche as Obsidian RPGs. Obsidian's have more focus on writing, narrative, C&C, and old school roleplaying, while Bethesda's have more focus on exploration, loot, a huge open world, and a feeling of adventure. I enjoyed Skyrim but in a different way I enjoyed Fallout 2.
I played Oblivion, Fallout 3 and 4 on console. They are great and none of them were fixed by the community ;)
They were all buggy messes, and I'm not going to make excuses for that, but in terms of world building and general core RPG design, they were amazing.
Skyrim is one of the highest selling and highest rated games of all time, you don't be that by being a bad game.
I mean, sure. See you in 2024. Hopefully we'll all be alive to see it.
You do realize that different opinions exist right? Not sure why you're having such a meltdown in this thread.
This is a new low for Jim, and that's saying something. Can't wait for the day when super negativity, extreme hyperbole, and clickbait titles go away.
By the way, Obsidian officially doesn't want Outer Worlds to be used to slam Bethesda.
https://www.destructoid.com/obsidia...outer-worlds-to-dunk-on-bethesda-542696.phtml
By the way, Obsidian officially doesn't want Outer Worlds to be used to slam Bethesda.
https://www.destructoid.com/obsidia...outer-worlds-to-dunk-on-bethesda-542696.phtml
Your sacred cows are not as good as you think they are. BSG is a mediocre studio who thinks it's more important to be able to pick up 1000 brooms than to have a playable game without the need of mods to fix it, or a decent engine, or to have interesting quests, or good writing.
that's a hot take if i've ever seen one. Fallout 76 is objectively shit but i dont consider that a fallout game. Fallout 4 was at worst an average game, and at best a fun exploration sim.
TES6 and Starfield hold a lot of promise, and i can say that while enjoying The outer worlds just fine
I understand taking aim at bethesda as a company and the shit fest that is Fallout 76, but holy shit pump your brakes a little there jim
TES6 and Starfield hold a lot of promise, and i can say that while enjoying The outer worlds just fine
I understand taking aim at bethesda as a company and the shit fest that is Fallout 76, but holy shit pump your brakes a little there jim
I'm having a meltdown? People are coming in in this thread and legit calling a 96 rated, 30 million selling game "bad", and I'm the one having a meltdown? lol ok
If people were expecting decent RPGs when they bought them, they have the right to be disappointed. Fallout 3 is an absolute joke of a follow-up to Fallout 2.
And it's broken. Objects float above the ground as geometry clips through placed walls and floors, horrible npc pathfinding that leads to them all getting bunched up, a defense rating system that doesn't even work.
Then there's just the stuff that's shitty about it. Like how you can't save any settlements across characters, or how none of the settlers have unique names or quests to give. You're right, it's a never ending wave of pointless fetch/kill quests.
In fairness..Sales and popularity in no way means great. If your looking for a deep RPG anything bethesda is disappointing.
I didn't think it was very good.
I mean, I put 700+ hours into the PC version, but most of that time was spent trying to get my main character's nose to look right.
I find it awful and I despise Bethesda's approach which always was to rely on modders. I haven't enjoyed a single Beth's game since Morrowind which to this day, along with Gothic 2 and some old ultima games / Arx Fatalis, is the best example of western rpg. Fucking incredibly overrated joke of a company since they started streamlining stuff
The most mainstream and streamlined TES ever made to appeal to a bigger audience? Nah.
The Elder Scrolls games are fine as RPGs. Fallout under BGS has suffered on that front, I agree. TES is fine.
Elder Scrolls 6 will come out and it will sell 30 million copies again and everything will be as it was.
Though it sounds fairly hyperbolic, and I'll admit its clickbaity af, I don't think Jim is that wrong in calling Bethesda obsolete. At least, obsolete in the sense that their games aren't considered the worldbeaters they once were. I mean come on, its been 8 years since Skyrim, that's really quite a long time. They're not just coming hot off one of the GOAT games anymore. They have a lot to prove in terms of establishing themselves again as a truly elite, premier developer making some of the most fun games out there. Fallout 4 and 76 just don't fit that category at all.
We acting like Skyrim wasn't groundbreaking and didn't influence the industry now?
I mean... He's not wrong. Bethesda games are only worthwhile these days when played with mods. Skyrim is an ugly, boring slog, for instance, I wouldn't get near it with a ten-foot-pole without modding the fuck out of it. And I got Fallout 4 on the best deal I could get because I wanted to toy around with using that anime model mod to make characters look not ugly as sin and also other mods to make the world look less shit.
Agree to disagree...they are fun games for exploration but the RPG aspects are really poor. It really depends on what you are looking for in their games. They are theme parks.
Yes, critical reviews are "popularity." Sheesh. Some of you people have lost the fucking plot entirely.