Yup. There's more than just what's on screen. It's also what's going on behind it. The stories being told, who is making them, and how they are made are all very important.
Yup. There's more than just what's on screen. It's also what's going on behind it. The stories being told, who is making them, and how they are made are all very important.
You missed the point here.
Like others have said before, Black Protagonist does not mean Black Experience or Black Perspective.
You can replace Blade and Al Simmons with Women, LGBT, or even a CGI Dolphin. Nothing will change the film. It won't change the story.
You can't do that with Black Panther.
The story is firmly about an African Prince becoming a king and dealing with the legacy of his father's mistakes of leaving his cousin in a country that hates him due to his race and how he should choose to lead his uncolonized advanced African country going forward.
It's impossible to take the Black out of that.
We've never had a multi million dollar blockbuster film that spoke like that.
I was more just poking fun at the "vast" part since 5 out X films is still a very small minority. But, you're right. You cant rip black from black panther. Although, while Spawn/Blade could've been a CGI dolphin. I wouldn't downplay having them be black either if we are talking the historical context or Black nerdom. Can't snub the foreplay that got us to this fucking.
I was more just poking fun at the "vast" part since 5 out X films is still a very small minority. But, you're right. You cant rip black from black panther. Although, while Spawn/Blade could've been a CGI dolphin. I wouldn't downplay having them be black either if we are talking the historical context or Black nerdom. Can't snub the foreplay that got us to this fucking.
Mention of Blade✔
Wonder how long it will take for me to get a bingo.
Damn, this post Is so meek and...tiny.I only really saw it for solidarity sake. It was ok. I want more Blade though. Can we get more blade?
Also how about a blue marvel? You can get rid of captain i won't mind.
What's that !? is that a whistle i hear ?!?!?As overrated as this movie is, the representation/inclusion is nice.
There have been plenty of movies before with a black protagonist. Even in the hero genre, you've had black protagonists before. You are making it seem like BP is a pioneer or something. It is the first MCU movie with a black protagonist, but that's about as far as being "a first" as it goes.
Blade has nothing to do with afrofuturism. But then you already knew that, didn't you.Unless you don't consider it afrofuturist. Blade.
Is blade on that bingo twice shy?
Except those films are made by the blacks. So they don't count as real movies.In that case you probably have to give it up to Robert Townsend and Damon Wayans for Meteor Man and Blankman first. They even predate any of the the black comic character's film adaptations.
Black Panther is awesome. Don't hate on it. It means alot to us black nerds damnit.
I'm still waiting for a Hispanic superhero myself.
But yeah, the representation in BP was great. I tend to think the movie itself is a tad overrated, but I'd still put in my Top 10 MCU movies.
The social media reactions have been glorious to read.
What's the next spot on the bingo card?
Yup. There's more than just what's on screen. It's also what's going on behind it. The stories being told, who is making them, and how they are made are all very important.
If i was , i wouldn't be seeing the same tired old code words. Would i ?
Dude you came into what what's a positive thread with a beautiful and heartfelt OP, didn't bother sparing a single word towards him, haven't said a word about the film, and are just wanting to pick a fight with 2 or 3 posters.If i was , i wouldn't be seeing the same tired old code words. Would i ?
is this one of those gentle scoldings about tone?
2 or 3 posters that are being diet racist.Dude you came into what what's a positive thread with a beautiful and heartfelt OP, didn't bother sparing a single word towards him, haven't said a word about the film, and are just wanting to pick a fight with 2 or 3 posters.
I wasn't trying to derail convo though, if you're really that mad someone thinks the movie is overrated, catch a grip.Too late.
Fantastic OP that explains the beauty of this movie.
And to all the bad actors getting ready to post in the thread, if you aren't going to specifically talk about inclusion factor and are just getting ready to drop your stale opinion on the film
Can you fuck off?
Sadly as I predicted.I wasn't trying to derail convo though, if you're really that mad someone thinks the movie is overrated, catch a grip.
I wasn't trying to derail convo though, if you're really that mad someone thinks the movie is overrated, catch a grip.
Another demographic that Black Panther promotes: science geeks that actually have social skills!I'm not going to get into my thoughts on the movie again on here. But as a black nerd, I agree. I think I related more with Shuri than anyone else in the film. BPs impact has really been a beautiful sight to behold.
I said I agreed with the OP though lmfao, yall are looking for problems were there aren't any.Not trying?
Threads got nothing to do with how you feel about how rated the movie is.
Still had to drop your nonsense anyway. Youd make a great window being so see through.
I said I agreed with the OP though lmfao, yall are looking for problems were there aren't any.
"BP is overrated" is racist? FOH.
What are you even talking about? Also you really shouldn't be that offended that people have an opinion on the movie, it's kind of absurd.We on a nerd forum. Me typing the word fuck ain't a problem.
I just felt your overrated comment wasn't necessary. I can't get through a BP thread without seeing the shit in some fashion.
What are you even talking about? Also you really shouldn't be that offended that people have an opinion on the movie, it's kind of absurd.
It's overrated because it means so much to certain groups of people not because of the quality of its content but because it's content serves a group that is very underserved. If it was a white cast movie about white Sweden deciding to help the world it would be viewed as incredibly mediocre.You said I'm looking for problems. I telling you, just because I use profanity, don't flatter yourself to the idea that I think about you in my daily life. This a website. Learn what an actual problem is.
What does overrated even mean? It's a fluff word to say you didn't like it but everyone else did. Gives off an air that you have better taste than others usually.
Comes up quite frequently as result of this being a successful black venture. Very popular in the last BP thread too. I mean, I would think you would understand why people would look at you funny for posting that. Don't be surprised now.
It's overrated because it means so much to certain groups of people not because of the quality of its content but because it's content serves a group that is very underserved. If it was a white cast movie about white Sweden deciding to help the world it would be viewed as incredibly mediocre.
That's what it means.
Yo, fellow black nerd here and I remember getting in my car after watching the movie, I just watched it with my mom and it was the 1st time my mom actually came up to me and said she wanted to see a marvel movie, so i knew this movie was on another level in the black community.
Anyways after separating and her driving off, I was still in the parking lot, and for some reason, I just broke down crying, for a good 5 or so minutes.
Just reeling at a movie that had so much respect for me and the people around me. It was an incredible feeling, just being overwhelmed by how positive a movie it was for me. A black nerd
So trust me dude, I feel you, and theres alot of us on resetera who would agree
If that's what you got out of my post you're not listening to what I said.It's only good because of all the black people in it, Eh?
Warrior Falls celebration still chokes me up. That black joy, the beauty on display...so powerful.
It's overrated because it means so much to certain groups of people not because of the quality of its content but because it's content serves a group that is very underserved. If it was a white cast movie about white Sweden deciding to help the world it would be viewed as incredibly mediocre.
That's what it means.
If that's what you got out of my post you're not listening to what I said.
I'm totally lost. You think white casts make people love movies? So what happened to Thor 2? Or Justice League? This emotional response to my post is exactly why BP is over rated. People are extremely emotionally attached to it for what it means to them personally. It's understandable and yet also proves my point.Nah, I read it. That's what you said.
Your example is fucking stupid since we have a ton of marvel movies with white casts that a fuckton of people love.
Literally the title of this thread disproves your thesis here. So do plenty of posts in this thread alone. It means a lot to people just for its inclusion and topics.You think black casts make people love movies?
Nothing emotional in my post, fam, lol.
Since you missed the point: black panther is a marvel movie. Lots of people love marvel movies and it has had nothing to do with the quality of the movies until you start taking about the one with all the black people. Suddenly it's overrated and people are just asking questions even though it's a single movie in a string of multi-billion dollar features.
I'm totally lost. You think white casts make people love movies? So what happened to Thor 2? Or Justice League? This emotional response to my post is exactly why BP is over rated. People are extremely emotionally attached to it for what it means to them personally. It's understandable and yet also proves my point.
Yeah I wish they had gone all-black. What is so refreshing about Pixar's Coco is how damn brown it is: not a single white person in sight. And that's to be expected, considering the film's setting. So why can't we expect the same for Black Panther? Regardless, it's a good film.I really didn't like the tag along CIA guy or his character arc. Felt like "White people pls watch our movie, see you have a good guy"
what are you going on about?You said I'm looking for problems. I telling you, just because I use profanity, don't flatter yourself to the idea that I think about you in my daily life. This a website. Learn what an actual problem is.
What does overrated even mean? It's a fluff word to say you didn't like it but everyone else did. Gives off an air that you have better taste than others usually.
Comes up quite frequently as result of this being a successful black venture. Very popular in the last BP thread too. I mean, I would think you would understand why people would look at you funny for posting that. Don't be surprised now.
it does, stay madPlease for the love of God do not say Dark Knight has better writing.
You do know that PLENTY of white people also love this film, right? Critical acclaim across the board, not just black people. It just overachieved with black people. It means MORE for them. But most empathetic folks of other ethnicities get it and can rock with it. Hell, there were a few in this very thread who spoke to that very same sentiment.It's overrated because it means so much to certain groups of people not because of the quality of its content but because it's content serves a group that is very underserved. If it was a white cast movie about white Sweden deciding to help the world it would be viewed as incredibly mediocre.
That's what it means.
But WHY would you do that? The themes are an integral part of the movie. Everything was written the way it was to make sure the themes can shine through.If that's what you got out of my post you're not listening to what I said.
The action in BP is very poor maybe the weakest in any marvel film. The CGI is very poor. The villains abilities are a mirror of the hero and makes a nonsensical decision at the end. The plot is serviceable but really just exists to introduce wakanda as a stage for avengers 3. If you take out the themes and black cast the film is bottom tier marvel for me personally.
Two things:Yeah I wish they had gone all-black. What is so refreshing about Pixar's Coco is how damn brown it is: not a single white person in sight. And that's to be expected, considering the film's setting. So why can't we expect the same for Black Panther? Regardless, it's a good film.
Try again, lmfao.
What am I trying? I asked a question.
He stopped part killmonger's main agenda.Normally he'd end up being the hero, saving the savages and what not. Not here.
story of pretty much all indigenous peoples that Columbus stuff for instance is infuriating.Of all the people on Earth, black people seems to be the ones who truly show love for anyone they meet. They are always welcoming while others treat them as if they shouldn't even exist and yet they keep treating others with kindness, only to be repaid with them being killed and dehumanized.
Can you post the exact quote where Killmonger made racist statements or him talking about killing people and kids based on their skin color?However I think people's posession with Killmonger is dangerous. I said that in another thread, and I repeat - Killmonger is racist piece of shit who wanted to kill people and their kids basing on skin color. But nobody seem to remember these words - its this quote about burying that everyone knows. And it looks pretty much like radicalisation to me - like "yeah, he is literally killer, he is insane, but after these words about ocean I cried a bit, so he did nothing wrong!".
So have you actually seen the movie or are you just basing your statements on things you've read about it?If I want to see a movie I don't care if other people like or dislike it. Why would I? Same appears other way - i really don't care how much hype is around Black Panther - I don't want to see this film and I won't.
honestly I just wish he showed a little regret over killing black people. Cause he was talking the talk but he clearly didn't care.However I think people's posession with Killmonger is dangerous. I said that in another thread, and I repeat - Killmonger is racist piece of shit who wanted to kill people and their kids basing on skin color. But nobody seem to remember these words - its this quote about burying that everyone knows. And it looks pretty much like radicalisation to me - like "yeah, he is literally killer, he is insane, but after these words about ocean I cried a bit, so he did nothing wrong!".