Sony is a publically traded company they can't lie about this.
I'm sure most people here are aware of that lol
Deflecting what exactly? It's clever wording on Sony's part but they are not denying the bad yields when they easily could. That's all I'm saying. They aren't lying, they are not even misleading.
I have no allegiance to plastic boxes, I know that's hard for most people who are really into console wars to grasp but it's true. Not that writing that out will convince any true warrior battling for their sacred cause.
I stand by what I wrote. The statement doesn't deny the bad yields and is cleverly worded to deny one specifc part of the story.
I think it is implied since they say that "the information provided by Bloomberg is false". Also it would be crazy to manufacture so many units with so bad yields. As Mr. Panello said, it will increase a lot the cost...Deflecting what exactly? It's clever wording on Sony's part but they are not denying the bad yields when they easily could. That's all I'm saying. They aren't lying, they are not even misleading.
I have no allegiance to plastic boxes, I know that's hard for most people who are really into console wars to grasp but it's true. Not that writing that out will convince any true warrior battling for their sacred cause.
I stand by what I wrote. The statement doesn't deny the bad yields and is cleverly worded to deny one specifc part of the story.
The Bloomberg reporting seems pretty shoddy.So the quote is:
"We have not changed the production number for PlayStation 5 since the start of mass production."
So does that mean they never upped it like the previous report said? Confusing.
I wasnt talking about you. Sony were deflecting.Deflecting what exactly? It's clever wording on Sony's part but they are not denying the bad yields when they easily could. That's all I'm saying. They aren't lying, they are not even misleading.
I have no allegiance to plastic boxes, I know that's hard for most people who are really into console wars to grasp but it's true. Not that writing that out will convince any true warrior battling for their sacred cause.
I stand by what I wrote. The statement doesn't deny the bad yields and is cleverly worded to deny one specifc part of the story.
Equally interesting that they've also never denied my report that the PS5 explodes when you press the power button, if they were denying false reports why not do all of themInteresting that they are not denying the bad yields. Would be easy to deny the whole story, not one specific part of it.
Sorry it's a rough day. Hope it gets better and no bad feels here about the responseYeah that's actually clear from your post as well. I'm having a rough day and a bit of a persecution complex. Please don't take it personally.
A major financial publication has not reported that they are exploding. There's a huge difference.Equally interesting that they've also never denied my report that the PS5 explodes when you press the power button, if they were denying false reports why not do all of them
In face of source confirmation ,please just stop .
Never anything officially confirmed. The 10m was for the end of the year, the reported 15mil is for the end of the financial year which is March 31st.When did they announce 15m for end of fy? I always thought it was 10m. ?? I mean the more the merrier 🙂 but I missed that t apparently.
Well lets wait and see what happens later this year. If the Stock price wasnt dipping they would have said nothing and Bloomberg are not video game journalists. Their sources are much more established in the supply chain
Lol bloomberg has had many joke articles over the years . U need to pay more attention . Anyways for time being all we can go by is the source. And source has deniedWell lets wait and see what happens later this year. If the Stock price wasnt dipping they would have said nothing and Bloomberg are not video game journalists. Their sources are much more established in the supply chain
Sources never lie eh? You do youLol bloomberg has had many joke articles over the years . U need to pay more attention . Anyways for time being all we can go by is the source. And source has denied
Chips that are don't meet clock or voltage targets would be listed as a yield problem. If they were a standard CPU or graphics chip they would be "binned" into different categories and only completely useless chips would be tossed. So if, as an example, a chip could only hit target CPU specs on six cores then AMD would bin it and use it for their 3600 series, but if it could hit a higher frequency on all six cores then it would be binned as a 3600 X or 3600XT. Sometimes they will even turn off cores that don't hit spec and use it for a lower end model, so an eight core chip becomes a six core or four core chip. Neither Sony or Microsoft have that luxury. They have nowhere to put parts that don't meet their minimum speeds, so they are just garbage, lowering yields even further from a wafer. As both of these chips push things in different ways I would expect that they would have lower yields than standard CPU or Graphics chips as well. Microsoft is using larger dies, so they have less SOCs per wafer to start with, and they are also only disabling 4 CU out of 56 possible, so they don't have as much room for error. They did go with a much more reasonable clock speed though. Sony went with smaller die and so they immediately get more chips on each wafer, and also they have 4 CU disabled out of 40, which means they have more room for error. Sony went with a really high clock speed though, so that is where I imagine yields are coming down.So essentially, any functional chips that don't meet the clock/voltage/etc target would not be listed as a yield problem of the wafer but would still get thrown away?
U want to believe something that badly, then go ahead an believe it .nothing can change ur mind. As for me I trust the source more🤷♂️
Can they lie about this being a public traded company? I thought that was actually illegal.
yeah its bad to lie about this stuff as a company, but also carefully worded things can soften the blow. But this does sound like they had a number in mind since they started manufacturing and they have plausible deniablity since they never gave a number publicly so they are good.Can they lie about this being a public traded company? I thought that was actually illegal.
How did some people understand from this Bloomberg news that 50% of CONSOLES will be defective?
I know the news doesn't say that, I'm curious to understand how people extracted that information from the text. I tried and failed.
Chips that are don't meet clock or voltage targets would be listed as a yield problem. If they were a standard CPU or graphics chip they would be "binned" into different categories and only completely useless chips would be tossed. So if, as an example, a chip could only hit target CPU specs on six cores then AMD would bin it and use it for their 3600 series, but if it could hit a higher frequency on all six cores then it would be binned as a 3600 X or 3600XT. Sometimes they will even turn off cores that don't hit spec and use it for a lower end model, so an eight core chip becomes a six core or four core chip. Neither Sony or Microsoft have that luxury. They have nowhere to put parts that don't meet their minimum speeds, so they are just garbage, lowering yields even further from a wafer. As both of these chips push things in different ways I would expect that they would have lower yields than standard CPU or Graphics chips as well. Microsoft is using larger dies, so they have less SOCs per wafer to start with, and they are also only disabling 4 CU out of 56 possible, so they don't have as much room for error. They did go with a much more reasonable clock speed though. Sony went with smaller die and so they immediately get more chips on each wafer, and also they have 4 CU disabled out of 40, which means they have more room for error. Sony went with a really high clock speed though, so that is where I imagine yields are coming down.
They can bend the truth.Can they lie about this being a public traded company? I thought that was actually illegal.
U want to believe something that badly, then go ahead an believe it .nothing can change ur mind. As for me I trust the source more🤷♂️
It's not necessarily illegal if the increased production wasn't officially communicated. It was a Nikkei and Bloomberg report that Sony never commented on. You'd have to prove it somehow. Good luck with that.Can they lie about this being a public traded company? I thought that was actually illegal.
I chuckled lolEqually interesting that they've also never denied my report that the PS5 explodes when you press the power button, if they were denying false reports why not do all of them
Their stock was not taking a beating.It's not necessarily illegal if the increased production wasn't officially communicated. It was a Nikkei and Bloomberg report that Sony never commented on. You'd have to prove it somehow. Good luck with that.
Either way, Sony needs to get out in front of this because their stock was taking a beating from the news this morning. They have to say something about it, and they have an interest in denying the bad news. That's not to say they are lying, but the wording does conspicuously cover them either way.
nope zero, and if they did have problems it would have to come from them they are obligated to inform shareholders. PS3 they came out and said there were issues due to blue diodes.
So still 60 planes :-pI think it's pretty obvious from Sony's wording that they aren't lying...they can't be lying, they've never publicly announced their manufacturing numbers and they have not disclosed any yields. It's a very direct comment. No planes have changed. (We havent shared our plans so no one would know them anyway)
we'll probally get some more information after their 1st Quarter Results then we will see who was right.This information is so easily verifiable if an investigate journalist wanted to investigate, Sony can't lie about something this big move on and keep believing whatever you want to believe
I think we'll know tomorrowwe'll probally get some more information after their 1st Quarter Results then we will see who was right.
It fell, so not exactly good news for them.
it would be interesting if they do say how many they plan to have available. But price def will give a clear ass picture.
intraday stuff on the market isnt a big problem, they probally recover it all back if prices are in line with estimates.
I don't think sony will say anything about production in a games showcase..
PriceI don't think sony will say anything about production in a games showcase..
Yup price is the indicatorit would be interesting if they do say how many they plan to have available. But price def will give a clear ass picture.
Well they can't lie about this kinda stuff as it effects investors.This information is so easily verifiable if an investigate journalist wanted to investigate, Sony can't lie about something this big move on and keep believing whatever you want to believe
What a silly comparison. You're nobody. This is bloombergEqually interesting that they've also never denied my report that the PS5 explodes when you press the power button, if they were denying false reports why not do all of them
PS5s are EXPLODING?!?A major financial publication has not reported that they are exploding.
Exploding Ps5s and trees.