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With few attractive titles for the holiday shopping season and shipments on track to fall short of the company's targets, doubts are growing whether Nintendo Co.'s (NTDOY.PK) Switch can ever become a mass-market product.

So far, the Switch has struggled to find customers beyond a core fan base. The Switch is on track to reach 35 million unit shipments by March, according to the average of eight analysts' estimates compiled by Bloomberg, short of Nintendo's target of 38 million.

"All great consoles need a great second year, and Nintendo hasn't delivered one for the Switch," said Cornelio Ash, an analyst at William O'Neil & Co. in Los Angeles. "Investors thought over five years they could sell maybe 90 million units. But after this year, that's looking pretty much impossible."

"The stock is heading back to the level when the Switch was announced, which doesn't say great things about its long-term prospects," Ash said.

This year's biggest disappointment has been Nintendo Labo, the cardboard add-ons that transform the Switch into playable objects. Like the Wii, they were designed to appeal to non gamers to broaden the device's customers beyond core fans. But sales have struggled. Last month, Nintendo President Shuntaro Furukawa told reporters in Osaka that "it will take time" to see if the product delivers.

"2018 was a reality check and brought lofty expectations back down to Earth," said Michael Pachter, an analyst at Wedbush Securities Inc. "The Switch is great, but is still primarily a handheld, and a very expensive one."

That opens the possibility of price cuts. History suggests reductions will have to be aggressive in order to work. Sales of the 3DS picked up only after prices were slashed by 40 per cent five months after launch, but the Wii U didn't recover even after Nintendo dropped the price by about 15 per cent within a year after release.

"I don't see sales growing unless the price is reduced to below US$200," Pachter said, indicating a 33 per cent cut from the Switch's current price.

While a lower price sticker would help boost Switch sales, it may further depress sales of the 3DS.

Another possibility is the introduction of different hardware versions, such as one designed for children.

Apart from potential price cuts and new models, the other key to regaining momentum will be new games. Nintendo is planning big releases next year, including a new Animal Crossing game, a Pokemon title and the latest installment of its Metroid series. Whether that can broaden the install base beyond core gamers remains to be seen.

"The Switch excitement has rapidly declined, " Ash said. "Unless there's significant change or something else new, the Switch story has been exhausted."

Full article: https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/nintend...s-killer-product-for-new-gaming-era-1.1174252
 

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DeuceGamer

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This article makes absolutely no sense to me.

Even before today's PR it seemed clear that it would still have a solid year, even if it missed their target.

They also talk about a weak holiday lineup and don't bother mentioning Pokémon and Smash, 2 of the biggest franchises in gaming coming in back to back months this holiday.
 

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"I don't see sales growing unless the price is reduced to below US$200," Pachter said, indicating a 33 per cent cut from the Switch's current price.

This guy never stops to surprise me.
 

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This is what we've been talking around the last 24 hours in the "Nintendo need to sell 14M switch in the next 6 month" and it's pretty much agreed that this analysis don't know(forget) that holidays are Nintendo most important period so it was really premature.
I mean just look at that Black Friday + Cyber Monday results.
 

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Pachter is suggesting they cut the price/their revenue by a third to make up a potentially 2m deficit. It's crazy talk.
 

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Yeah, man. Few attractive titles for the holiday season. I've been hallucinating the hours spent playing Pokemon, and I don't even know what it is I'm picking up from GameStop next Friday.
 

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Yeah, the article's a bit of a joke:

- It never even mentions Smash and Let's Go, yet calls the Switch holiday line-up weak for this year;
- It suggests that Switch is in a similar situation as the 3ds was, which it clearly isn't
- it cites Michael Pachter;
- It claims Switch interest is fading, which is pretty laughable considering sales this quarter so far are up by a lot in for example the US.

The article's all feels and blatant disregard of factual information (3ds comparison shows this best imo) and leaves out important context to the situation (Smash and Pokémon launches).
 

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It's genuinely the weirdest article to make at this point in time when the holiday sales period is still going. This should have been an article either before the recent financial briefing or saved until after the holidays if it turned out sales were not as good as they had hoped. Q3 and Q4 are historically Nintendo's strongest periods.
 

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So instead of accepting that the Switch is not the next Wii, the move here is to decide all eight independent analysts just don't know what they're talking about?

Okay.
 

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Yeah nah.

Switch has had a slow year so it's not selling as well, next time it has a good year it'll do much better. Next year already looks like an incredible year. It's fine.
 

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I just wish they would reduce the price of their first party games after a while. Goddam Kirby is still $60. My gf (who doesn't game really) wants to play cuz Kirby is cute, but I ain't dropping 60 bones on something she might not play for more than 30 minutes.
 

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Even when Nintendo reports its best Black Friday to Cyber Monday sales in its history in the Americas, it's still doomed. It's incredible to see, really.
 

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Fucking Smash Bros ultimate is about to release and they are saying there are no good holiday titles? Oh and let's not forget FUCKING POKÉMON.
 
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This was posted before the news of nintendo's Biggest Black Friday week.
Might have been posted on era, don't remember.

I do think Switch will need a price cut soon-ish, it's making system sellers are limited by the high price.
If they can get to their goal or close enough without a cut, that's great
 
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"Few attractive titles for the holiday season."


Bro, analyst bro. Let me explain something you don't seem to understand:

Pokémon and Smash is enough.
 

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What a stupid uninformed article.
Anyone with a modicum of knowledge about sales would know we don't know shit about Nintendo's ability to reach their forecast until after Christmas
 

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So instead of accepting that the Switch is not the next Wii, the move here is to decide all eight independent analysts just don't know what they're talking about?

Okay.

If it sold Wii numbers in the end wouldn't that be disappointing? Nintendo was selling the DS alongside the Wii. The Wii wasn't even close to the success in terms of sales that the DS was.

Not that hardware sold is even close to being the main barometer of success though.
 
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