Brad Bird gives tone deaf response on why we never see Frozone’s wife in the Incredibles
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Oh my god are you fucking kidding me?
Also until now I wasn't familiar with "color-blindness" being used to deny that a voice could be associated with race. Good job Era.
Is it such a big difference to on-screen black woman yelling?
I'm a little confused about how this character would suddenly not become problematic if she was on screen.
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What a shitty response from dude. Give her as much screentime as Frozone.
Nobody is really complaining?
Surely it's just as racist to presume she's black, just because frozone is. She's never even been shown!
If you ask me this is taking the "I'm offended" olympics and turning it into an extreme sport.
Brad should just retcon her into being Asian, heck, it wouldn't even be a retcon as she's never been shown. The guy is a great writer and director, he shouldn't be getting shade thrown on him for something this silly.
If you ask me this is taking the "I'm offended" olympics and turning it into an extreme sport.
Brad should just retcon her into being Asian, heck, it wouldn't even be a retcon as she's never been shown. The guy is a great writer and director, he shouldn't be getting shade thrown on him for something this silly.
"When men get assertive they're seen as taking control. When women get assertive they're seen as being bossy."
Gotta admit, I started taking y'all's advice about checking post histories
Gotta admit, I'm not disappointed
Gotta admit, I'm not disappointed
You know what the result of this will be... she'll finally be revealed visually in Incredibles 3 and have some crazy disproportionately prominent role in a crucial moment. Like, she'll show up looking for Lucius and casually dispatch the final boss or something.
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It's priblematic both ways. The same way ready player one has the Asian guy that knows karate and has few lines of dialogue. Sure it looks cool or in the incredibles case, it's a comedic device but that doesn't mean people can't complain
Also, her being black is not an assumption, given what's already been posted in this thread from Bird's interview about "walking around" black characters. Trying to dismiss this as "you're assuming she's black" is what's really reaching.
I don't know where this is from but it looks legit. I wonder if this is Frozone's wife? It probably is and would you look at that she is black.
Finally, closure! I'm gonna sleep well tonight.
He was a japanese man voiced by a black man who later became a pink alien.
Shedder was never a women.
Except that time he was.
Could actually be his sister.I don't know where this is from but it looks legit. I wonder if this is Frozone's wife? It probably is and would you look at that she is black.
Same, I don't understand the outrage. (I am a minority and deal with unfair representation too and I don't see the big deal here).
If what proves true? That she's just a voice again and they used her design for someone else? 1) The gag is already in the trailer and 2) why... would they lie about repurposing a design?
That the wife of Frozone is actually black. This should probably be a new thread instead of a basic update.
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Wait people assumed she wasn't black? Am I missing something here...shit was an off screen gag how is this still going.
Not even sure how I missed it the first time around, was probably asleep/work/drinking/gaming. Serious though, it was a off screen joke and it was hella funny. People need to lighten up.
She might be but we don't know for sure.
And no, the intended design doesn't count.
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Wait are you saying that despite seeing concept art of her, she might still actually not be black just because they decided not to use the design and recycled it elsewhere in the movie?
Nop, sorry not seeing anything to pick apart here. It's a gag, nothing more. The whole "where is my super suit" scene from the original works partly because of her being off screen, as if removing herself from the annoying endeavors of her husband. He's rushing and freaking out while her voice stays steady.
You do understand she is not a real person, right? Yes, if a character is not shown and it is not expressly stated otherwise in official material such as director/writer interviews then we cannot take it as canon. The design implies that she was imagined as being a black woman at some stage of production but scrapped that design along with the associated confirmation of her race.
People would rather hear a lie than someone just telling what happened. What happened may be racist or not (sure NOT in my humble opinion), but saying someone telling the truth is tone deaf is just stupid.
You're being willfully ignorant. There's not a single person on this planet that saw the English dub of The Incredibles and assumed Frozone's wife was anything other than black based on that voice. The fact that she was imagined as a black woman, whether her design made it into the movie or not, IS even more confirmation.
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I don't really think that the fact she was originally drawn as a black woman is that relevant to the discussion at hand.
Sure, some posters may have raised the question but the fact that Bird responded the way he did when asked about representation of POC pretty much puts it to bed.
Given that, you either find this to be an issue or you don't. If she's white, it can still be seen as representative of the nagging wife trope so I don't understand why someone's level of offence would be tied directly to the character's skin colour.
Sure, some posters may have raised the question but the fact that Bird responded the way he did when asked about representation of POC pretty much puts it to bed.
Given that, you either find this to be an issue or you don't. If she's white, it can still be seen as representative of the nagging wife trope so I don't understand why someone's level of offence would be tied directly to the character's skin colour.
Also it has that "slice of life" aspect that is the whole concept of the movie. A couple communicating by shouting at each other across the house happens all the time, and having one of them never appear makes it more effective.