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Brad Sams: There’s been further executive turnover at 343 Industries
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Might be wrong, but I believe his boss took over his responsibilities and he was forced into a lesser position before quitting.
But what's more relevant here? The track record, or the turnover? Based off of their controversial track record, I wouldn't blame you for not expecting much from the new game, but turnover seems somewhat an unreasonable reason to cast doubt.
If the game isn't working in development, why keep on the same track with the same people?
That's even assuming the departures have to do with conflicts in the vision for the game, and not some larger workplace culture issue.
In terms of "nothing points to infinite being good", it's true we've had an astonishing lack of information regarding the game for two years in a row, but from what we have seen, we know that 343 is at least paying attention to the complaints about art direction. It maybe naive to assume this extends to the actual gameplay, but I feel it's a reason to have hope.
Do you have a source for this? Also, are we talking full time devs, outsourced employment or contractors, or executives? Because Brad is referring to executive turnover.
Their track record is awful. Halo 4 and halo 5 are not liked at all by the community. Master chief collection was completely broken for years.
Saying 343 industries made games that were disliked by halo fans and poorly received isn't bullshit. Pretending otherwise is.
For anything that isn't further than 5 feet in front of your character's view. /s
60 FPS felt good for Halo, but I really missed split screen.
Not a bad thing. If people at 343 can't deliver then matt booty and other management have no choice but to replace them.
With a franchise as big as halo there will be lots of different directions people want the franchise to go in, and if people can't agree Somone is going to have to make a decision.
Somthing similar happened at naughty dog, Amy henning want to go one way and others in ND want to go a different way.
I don't know if it's the reason for this staff turnover, but it's what I think might be happening.
With a franchise as big as halo there will be lots of different directions people want the franchise to go in, and if people can't agree Somone is going to have to make a decision.
Somthing similar happened at naughty dog, Amy henning want to go one way and others in ND want to go a different way.
I don't know if it's the reason for this staff turnover, but it's what I think might be happening.
So, again, how is that people who are responsible for their "awful track record" leaving a bad thing? Returning to classic/roots a bad thing?
Just to play the other side of the argument....
A valid reason to cast doubt, but I still think that being cynical because of employee turnover is misguided.
I'm sorry but this is total bulloni
There past 3 games have over an 80 metacritic. That is the opposite of a "terrible" track record.
You're being a bit hyperbolic here. Not enjoying as much as past iterations isn't the same not liking at all. I'd also be cautious about how much emphasis you give to a vocal minority. Halo 4 and 5 whilst not as well recieved as past titles, were still recieved well overall.
To play devil's advocate, metacritic has shit to do with community engagement and response. Halo 5 is doing very... Okay in terms of population it seems, but Halo 4 tanked like a rock post-launch. There's a reason 343 has been so clear with their messaging regarding returning to the old art style. They know the fanbase has been very displeased.
Also, all Halo esports right now are Halo 3, so...
XO19 in November alongside the announcement of flighting.
Halo 5 came out 4 years ago, the population dying down is expected.
Halo's eSports being Halo 3 focused has to do with them changing it up after 3 years of Halo 5 and the rebuild of MCC for the Xbox One.
it's not that top levels folks are leaving is bad is that it's happening when a game is like a year out from launch. it's not like they'e gonna reboot this title when it's this far into development and especially since they won't be able to delay the title. this puppy is gonna launch with scarlette no matter what the game is like, and it's probably gonna be like whatever these top dudes envisioned for it.
"343 never made a good Halo, they just can't get Halo right"
*News about a executive turnover which means they will probably have a new vision about what they want to do with the franchise*
"Man, Halo Infinite is doomed, isn't it?"
LOL
If you think 343i were not good and there's a change coming you should feel relieved then, no? This is only concerning if you liked the direction 343 took with Halo 4 and 5, but here we are.
*News about a executive turnover which means they will probably have a new vision about what they want to do with the franchise*
"Man, Halo Infinite is doomed, isn't it?"
LOL
If you think 343i were not good and there's a change coming you should feel relieved then, no? This is only concerning if you liked the direction 343 took with Halo 4 and 5, but here we are.
Critical reviews and user reception are completely different. Master chief collection is at 85 metacritic and was broken for years.
Halo used to be the premier FPS franchise. It's fallen very far since then due to the poor user reception of 343's games.
I really, really, REALLY want this game to be good. Probably my most anticipated game alongside Cyberpunk at the moment.
I really, really do think they'll try their best to make it on time for launch. But if the game isn't great by then and they think it's possible to really increase the quality through a delay, I bet they delay it.
I dislike this line of reasoning being used as a way to deflect criticism in long-running franchises.
There's always someone that hates a certain entry, but it's hardly ever consistently the larger playerbase for every single game. The fact is that Halo no longer sets sales or player population records, and it no longer wins awards. This isn't due to Halo alone, but it seems disingenuous to pin all the blame on other games too.
If a game like Counter Strike can thrive in 2019, why not Halo?
December at the Xbox event. If not then, then we will 100% see gameplay at E3 2020.
I would be relieved
If that change happened 3 years before launch and not a year before.
The weapon sandbox in 3 is probably the worst.
The BR especially is shit in 3.
I do too! I would rather Infinite is not a launch title than is a hampered launch title but sadly thats not how business works.
I wouldn't worry to much, Halo 5 was a good game, but I don't think it will be too hard for 343 to make a better game.
Similery to how the coalition improved apon gears 4.
Yeah OG haters ragged on CE for not being like the Macworld build; hating on Halo 5 is amateur hour.
I'm playing H5 co-op right now and its way better than I remember. I think I was a bit too harsh on the game when it first came out. Even Locke is starting to grow on me
Thats a bit simplistic, Halo 2, 3, ODST and Halo Wars all received fairly well, they all received criticism as you would expect of games played by so many. (As did Halo CE)
The mechanics introduced by Reach are where the series started to get more divisive amongst its fans.
I would argue 343 muddled the water by doubling down on some mechanics that didn't receive well on the multiplayer side but also disappointed fans on the single player side.
It's also rather buggy and unpolished which is strange for such a big AAA release.
Shame to hear they're seemingly having some issues over there. Hope they get things turned around for the best.
Also super weird seeing people post about Halo 4/5 being 'disasters' lol. The community isn't there the same way, but they both sold and reviewed well. Its kinda like saying Pepsi is destitute because Coke is more popular.
Also super weird seeing people post about Halo 4/5 being 'disasters' lol. The community isn't there the same way, but they both sold and reviewed well. Its kinda like saying Pepsi is destitute because Coke is more popular.
I feel really sorry for this team. Clearly super talented but completely shackled to this one IP that isn't even their own creation, and with astronomical expectations from each release.
I hope Infinite gets the critical reception everyone wants it to, just like Gears 5 did, but mostly because I want to seem them flex their creative muscles on a new IP that they can feel complete ownership of.
I hope Infinite gets the critical reception everyone wants it to, just like Gears 5 did, but mostly because I want to seem them flex their creative muscles on a new IP that they can feel complete ownership of.
If you mean XB1X/Scarlett launch then sure. But no way am I buying a third MS console in as many years. My XB1X needs to have legs.
You got to be kidding me. They made two million sellers with high metacritic scores.
To be fair, the studio was built from the ground up with that in mind. I don't think you apply for 343 if you don't want to work on Halo.
They don't have a terrible track record but not a good one either. Ideally infinite will be a great halo game but until it's out we have the games they have released and that's not a good track record.
That was one of the best franchises and made it largely meh. Halo isn't in a good place after 5 and unless infinite is top notch than the franchise will never be where it was.
Exactly.