It depends on if other illegal things have been revealed which can stick or if there are details which would make thing politically difficult for Trump.So...without further indictments, does that mean Trump/Republicans "won"?
This doesn't mean we won't get the report eventually. There's probably a ton of redactions they've gotta work out before it's in our handsWe don't want his conclusions, we want the entire report released.
I honestly don't care that it's unprecedented.Maybe he thought it was best for the country to not cross that line and let others made that decision. I'm just guessing. Indicting the president's kin is unprecedented.
I agreeI honestly don't care that it's unprecedented.
Justice needs to be served but I still don't expect much from the goddamn FBI.
Not surprised. It must be an incredibly detailed report, and not something to rush on.
More like "this is a lot to read and review, plus I have to confirm with Rod"
It's a DOJ plane known to be used for renditions. A lot of people seem to think Assange might have been extradited since he was whipping up a frenzy about it, but it could well have nothing to do with him.
Either way, its journey to London is...interesting.
EDIT: It's usually an 8 and half hour flight, so I believe the plane should be landing around 19:00 GMT/15:00 EST
Well, he's already an unindicted co-conspirator in a federal crime, so he'd be in jail if he wasn't PotuS, and there are about a dozen other ongoing investigations into tax fraud, charity fraud, etc. etc. To the "party of law and order", that's fine.So...without further indictments, does that mean Trump/Republicans "won"?
Pretty much. My expectations are low as hell but I would like to be pleasantly surprised.
And that's the problem. Like many others, I'm hoping for some documented treachery that will leave no doubt as to Trump's true allegiance, even to his own supporters, though that seems unlikely.Well, he's already an unindicted co-conspirator in a federal crime, so he'd be in jail if he wasn't PotuS, and there are about a dozen other ongoing investigations into tax fraud, charity fraud, etc. etc. To the "party of law and order", that's fine.
Not necessarily, but like you say, we'll see. It is wishful thinking, because the opposite is...horrifying, tbh.To report a negaitve, that Mueller is "not recommending more indictments" does not fit this IMO. "A roadmap" is practically a synonym for "a recommendation"... this all just sounds like wishful thinking.
Anyways, we'll see... I don't buy it.
Yeah, but they could have just gotten a warrant for that. Though I guess Stone also lied to them, so that's fitting with other prosecutions.
Pretty much. My expectations are low as hell but I would like to be pleasantly surprised.
This is pretty my setup for this whole thing.Expect the worst, hope for the best, work with what you have and you can never be disappointed.
It's up to him whether we get the report eventually.This doesn't mean we won't get the report eventually. There's probably a ton of redactions they've gotta work out before it's in our hands
Yep. Optimistic pessimism should be the code of life to live by.Expect the worst, hope for the best, work with what you have and you can never be disappointed.
Can Greenwald be fucking banned from Era, please? Sick to fucking death of seeing his tweets posted here. He thinks he's some galaxy brain genius but he's actually just an arrogant, smug prick.
It would be an incredibly destabilizing event. An indictment for someone as vital as the president's son would have the right screaming conspiracy, and the left screaming impeachment (at that point, how can Trump Sr. not be guilty?). It's unprecedented, and not necessarily a strategy Mueller would just outright go for prior to his conclusions seeing the light of day.
At the end of the day Mueller is a Republican. He probably doesn't want to be THE guy that puts the party in utter turmoil even if his findings reveal criminal activity.
She did not say the news had anything to do with Joy Reid's show.
Any chance that there are sealed indictments ready to go as soon as Trump leaves office?
Not necessarily, but like you say, we'll see. It is wishful thinking, because the opposite is...horrifying, tbh.
The special prosecutor in watergate did indict people. The "road map" was written solely for the benefit of congress to use during impeachment proceedings since the grand jury was unable to indict the president. You don't have a grand jury look at a topic for a year and a half just so they can punt on the indictment at the very end and have some other prosecutors re-present the entire case to a different grand jury.Apparently the Nixon results were basically a "roadmap" that didn't specifically recommend indictments, but laid out the facts and let other prosecutorial bodies do with it what they wished. This could be similar, but we don't know.
They're literally discussing this right now (Barr, Rose, Mueller). So we'll hopefully have more soon!
I guess I'm reading it very narrowly, but honestly the lack of existing sealed indictments ready to go (which was seen as Mueller's trump card) is a bit disturbing.Yeah I'm not going to say it's impossible; I guess you can read the leak a number of ways too. Did Mueller "recommend no indictments" or simply "not recommend" anything?
Glimmers of hope lol
Thanks for clarifying. Yeah, I find the whole thing so odd. Like, seriously, nothing? Just seems impossible.The special prosecutor in watergate did indict people. The "road map" was written solely for the benefit of congress to use during impeachment proceedings since the grand jury was unable to indict the president. You don't have a grand jury look at a topic for a year and a half just so they can punt on the indictment at the very end and have some other prosecutors re-present the entire case to a different grand jury.
The special prosecutor in watergate did indict people. The "road map" was written solely for the benefit of congress to use during impeachment proceedings since the grand jury was unable to indict the president. You don't have a grand jury look at a topic for a year and a half just so they can punt on the indictment at the very end and have some other prosecutors re-present the entire case to a different grand jury.