Brexit has already cost the U.K. more than its EU budget payments, study shows

[Squarehard]

At least Dave finally got his legacy with Brexit.

He'll be remembered as the worst Prime Minister since Neville Chamberlain.

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Yeah, he really had no impact on anything, except for this particular topic where we finally figured out he knew how to speak, and yet, he's the one that came out on top looking good from this.

Just goes to show how big of a shit show this really was, LOL.

 

[Messofanego]

Racism?

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Racism.

 

[Pata Hikari]

At least Dave finally got his legacy with Brexit.

He'll be remembered as the worst Prime Minister since Neville Chamberlain.

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He's just really desperate for people to forget he had sex with a dead pig.

 

[jelly]

Half of Britain still think its 1900 and they still have an empire, so they get butthurt when the EU tells them to do stuff because "we don't need them, they need US!"

Surprise surprise, they don't.

Oh, and racism.

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It's not just that, people somehow believe we are bossed around when we have a hand in making most of the big rules and regulations that people and companies follow in the EU to our benefit. They thought we were a vassal state but we actually will be one after Brexit. Britain helps steer the biggest trading bloc in the world! Idiots.

 

[El Bombastico]

He's just really desperate for people to forget he had sex with a dead pig.

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Hey now, he only had ORAL sex with the pig...

 

[Deleted member 15933]

As an American I still don't understand why Brexit is even a thing.

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Hint: Look in the mirror, by which I mean your own country
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On topic:
I mean, there cannot be much discussion that any actual Brexit will be a comical debacle for the UK anymore. Am I therefore wrong for hoping that Britain gets to its senses and *at least* tries to remain roughly Norway/Switzerland level of connected to the EU? I'm more than familiar with the bureaucratic hurdles that the current government is unable to even acknowledge, but at least a loud and clear "that's what we want" would be encouraging by the UK.

Make no mistake: I am still fucking sad that we even have to look at Brexit/EU in mostly economic terms, because the EU as a civilisatory project was/is so much more, and the economy was its coldest, most uninspiring aspect imo.

But come the fuck on Britain, you kind of invented pragmatism, then why this idiocy out of a failed ideology. Please!

 

[Lagamorph]

The worst part is, we haven't even left yet....

 

[ReginOfFire]

Was it worth it UK ERA?

 

['3y Kingdom]

I'm not british so I looked up poll numbers... Labour is only behind by 4 points?
I am used to them being a party of disaster and wayy back? Are people finally learning?

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Given the complete mess Britain is in now, being behind at all seems a worrying sign to me.

 

[LinkStrikesBack]

Was it worth it UK ERA?

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The vast majority of UK era never thought this was going to be worth it.

 

[jelly]

Given the complete mess Britain is in now, being behind at all seems a worrying sign to me.

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Yeah, absolutely. Labour should be stomping the Tories. It's not just a Brexit thing, Tories are beyond awful in everything yet Labour still lag behind. Corbyn should have quit ages ago. Both parties need to be irrelevant in the future. Time for something new to step up.

 

[Cookie]

HAHAHAHAHA

Burn it all, maybe people will learn that voting has consequences.

 

[LinkStrikesBack]

Yeah, absolutely. Labour should be stomping the Tories. It's not just a Brexit thing, Tories are beyond awful in everything yet Labour still lag behind. Corbyn should have quit ages ago. Both parties need to be irrelevant in the future. Time for something new to step up.

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Labour wouldn't be doing any better without Corbyn.

They'd only have smeared whoever was there instead in exactly the same way.

 

[Rassilon]

It's because a lot of people think Labour are Communists and think they're going to Nationalise their garden.

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Bahaha! Nationalised gardens! Crush the lesser races! Conquer the galaxy! Unimaginable power! Unlimited rice pudding! Et cetera! Et cetera!

 

[Ravensmash]

Racism.

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Don't forget "taking back control"

People fucking loved that line.

The idea of taking power back from some shadowy 'unelected'* group of power brokers tied very very well into certain sections of society which had been fed anti EU propaganda continuously.

Fuck, I hate that stupid line.

* obviously bullshit

 

[Broken Joystick]

Worst thing is, it's not too late. There's no reason why we can't just call this shit off due to the overwhelming evidence that it'll fuck us over for years to come, just to bend to the will of dipshits who think taking power away from Brussels and giving it to the Tories is a good idea.

Just put out a PR saying "we've left" and continue on as normal, half of the leave voters wouldn't even notice.

Ugghhhhh every time I start to feel optimistic about the future I just remember this shit and feel downtrodden.

 

[Hyun Sai]

Morons

 

[Deleted member 7878]

HAHAHAHAHA

Burn it all, maybe people will learn that voting has consequences.

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Maybe good consequences in the long run.

Despite the awful Tory handling of Brexit, I'm still ok with my vote. The status quo is unacceptable to me, and divorce from the EU at least gives us hope we can break from the pervading neoliberal dogma that is eating away at society.

 

[StrikeFirst117]

We've lost that much already and we haven't even got to the point of having a deal of any kind, good lord we are in for a terrible ride.

 

[Deleted member 3335]

Maybe good consequences in the long run.

Despite the awful Tory handling of Brexit, I'm still ok with my vote. The status quo is unacceptable to me, and divorce from the EU at least gives us hope we can break from the pervading neoliberal dogma that is eating away at society.

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Yeah, don't forget to vote Tories to stop neoliberalism, Top Gun.

 

[I Don't Like]

So you're telling me right wing economic policies don't work?

That's...impossible.

 

[Cookie]

Maybe good consequences in the long run.

Despite the awful Tory handling of Brexit, I'm still ok with my vote. The status quo is unacceptable to me, and divorce from the EU at least gives us hope we can break from the pervading neoliberal dogma that is eating away at society.

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That's akin to shooting yourself in the face to cure the flu. But hey, we'll see how it goes!

 

[Deleted member 5028]

Maybe good consequences in the long run.

Despite the awful Tory handling of Brexit, I'm still ok with my vote. The status quo is unacceptable to me, and divorce from the EU at least gives us hope we can break from the pervading neoliberal dogma that is eating away at society.

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Lol. The only thing Brexit is doing is causing societal divides where "true born white British" are emboldened to show their racist roots, yearning for British colonialism to return.
When Broken Brexit leaves white Britain reeling and the poverty line becomes closer for almost all of the working class, we'll see how happy you are with your vote. Or who will get the blame next.

 

[Siggy-P]

Maybe good consequences in the long run.

Despite the awful Tory handling of Brexit, I'm still ok with my vote. The status quo is unacceptable to me, and divorce from the EU at least gives us hope we can break from the pervading neoliberal dogma that is eating away at society.

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Neo-liberal dogma. Alright then, as opposed to what? The socialist utopia that May and Johnson are gonna create in the coming years?

 

[Drakeon]

As an American I still don't understand why Brexit is even a thing.

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Really dude? We (and by we, I mean 60k some odd voters from Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania) voted for Trump, hard to criticize the Brit's for their own dumb voting populace when America's is clearly the dumber of the two.

 

[Jill Sandwich]

When Broken Brexit leaves white Britain reeling and the poverty line becomes closer for almost all of the working class, we'll see how happy you are with your vote. Or who will get the blame next.

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Even when a tin of corned beef goes over £5 and they have to wait a year for medical treatment, they'll never admit it's their fault.

 

[Deleted member 5028]

Even when a tin of corned beef goes over £5 and they have to wait a year for medical treatment, they'll never admit it's their fault.

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"The Tories are tight. We should privatise the NHS."

Before realising they can't afford even a dentists checkup at those rates.

 

[Deleted member 7878]

That's akin to shooting yourself in the face to cure the flu. But hey, we'll see how it goes!

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It's really not. I know it's an emotive subject but this is silly.

We've lost that much already and we haven't even got to the point of having a deal of any kind, good lord we are in for a terrible ride.

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Yeah, we may be in for a difficult time. A terrible ride. I think we started from an awful place personally. A vote for Remain was a vote for the status quo, and I think the status quo is terrible for an awful lot of people. You could characterise it as wanting to burn the place down, and yeah, I think that is worth doing. I'm certain that the status quo of Macron et al is not for me.

We need a society in europe that is for the people and not the corporations. The EU is not constructed that way. We need a society that values us in terms other than economic, because the status quo is the reason for the mental health problems that are exploding across western society.

 

[MeaningOfKarma]

We need a society in europe that is for the people and not the corporations. The EU is not constructed that way. We need a society that values us in terms other than economic, because the status quo is the reason for the mental health problems that are exploding across western society.

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What do you mean by this? What particular EU policies did you not like?

 

[Jisgsaw]

We need a society in europe that is for the people and not the corporations. The EU is not constructed that way

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While very far from perfect, I have some trouble to think of a government that is better for its people than the EU.
And I especially can't comprehend why you expect tories of all people to bring that to you.

 

[Vela]

The UK is such a dystopian society

 

[asd202]

The worst part is, we haven't even left yet....

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That's what's interesting. I can't imagine EU giving UK a good "deal" when they will leave for good.

 

[Deleted member 7878]

While very far from perfect, I have some trouble to think of a government that is better for its people than the EU.
And I especially can't comprehend why you expect tories of all people to bring that to you.

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I don't expect the Tories to bring anything to us. I think the Conservative Party are especially vile.

What do you mean by this? What particular EU policies did you not like?

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I don't like the overriding neoliberal dogma underpinning the EU. I don't like the way the EU railroads national governments to achieve its goals (see Ireland, Italy, Greece). I don't think the EU works for a lot of the population and I think it's a societal misstep, a dead end.

I think the EU started off as a good idea, and has lost its way in its expansionary ways in the past two decades.

 

[Toxi]

Yeah, we may be in for a difficult time. A terrible ride. I think we started from an awful place personally. A vote for Remain was a vote for the status quo, and I think the status quo is terrible for an awful lot of people. You could characterise it as wanting to burn the place down, and yeah, I think that is worth doing. I'm certain that the status quo of Macron et al is not for me.

We need a society in europe that is for the people and not the corporations. The EU is not constructed that way. We need a society that values us in terms other than economic, because the status quo is the reason for the mental health problems that are exploding across western society.

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People who want to "burn everything down" have no skin in the game.

 

[Siggy-P]

Yeah, we may be in for a difficult time. A terrible ride. I think we started from an awful place personally. A vote for Remain was a vote for the status quo, and I think the status quo is terrible for an awful lot of people. You could characterise it as wanting to burn the place down, and yeah, I think that is worth doing. I'm certain that the status quo of Macron et al is not for me.

We need a society in europe that is for the people and not the corporations. The EU is not constructed that way. We need a society that values us in terms other than economic, because the status quo is the reason for the mental health problems that are exploding across western society.

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You've concocted a fantasy of what your ideal brexit would be, taking no aspect of the real world into account, and your pretending like that's how it's gonna play out in real life despite all the evidence to the contrary.

The Tories have been talking for years about how they want to get rid of human rights. Under their rule homelessness is higher than it has been in years and people with disabilities and terminal illness's are being forced into work.

What possible reason is there to believe that life, mental health in paricular, won't be worse rather than an unclear and non-descript ideological opposittion towards the neo-liberal boogyman?

 

[Jackpot]

We need a society in europe that is for the people and not the corporations. The EU is not constructed that way. We need a society that values us in terms other than economic, because the status quo is the reason for the mental health problems that are exploding across western society.

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Aside from the terrible vagueness of these reasons, why on earth would you think Brexit isn't going to make all that stuff worse? Do you know how many nurses are from the EU? Mental health referrals had already spiked post-referendum. You look at the Vote Leave campaign and think they're in it for the people, not the corporations?

 

[Deleted member 5028]

I don't expect the Tories to bring anything to us. I think the Conservative Party are especially vile.



I don't like the overriding neoliberal dogma underpinning the EU. I don't like the way the EU railroads national governments to achieve its goals (see Ireland, Italy, Greece). I don't think the EU works for a lot of the population and I think it's a societal misstep, a dead end.

I think the EU started off as a good idea, and has lost its way in its expansionary ways in the past two decades.

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You're scaremongering but not giving any actual facts to back up your dogwhistles.

 

[Quixzlizx]

It's really not. I know it's an emotive subject but this is silly.



Yeah, we may be in for a difficult time. A terrible ride. I think we started from an awful place personally. A vote for Remain was a vote for the status quo, and I think the status quo is terrible for an awful lot of people. You could characterise it as wanting to burn the place down, and yeah, I think that is worth doing. I'm certain that the status quo of Macron et al is not for me.

We need a society in europe that is for the people and not the corporations. The EU is not constructed that way. We need a society that values us in terms other than economic, because the status quo is the reason for the mental health problems that are exploding across western society.

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Is this the British version of a Bernie --> Trump voter?

 

[Cookie]

It's really not. I know it's an emotive subject but this is silly.



Yeah, we may be in for a difficult time. A terrible ride. I think we started from an awful place personally. A vote for Remain was a vote for the status quo, and I think the status quo is terrible for an awful lot of people. You could characterise it as wanting to burn the place down, and yeah, I think that is worth doing. I'm certain that the status quo of Macron et al is not for me.

We need a society in europe that is for the people and not the corporations. The EU is not constructed that way. We need a society that values us in terms other than economic, because the status quo is the reason for the mental health problems that are exploding across western society.

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You just showed exactly how little you know. The EU is exactly for the people while the U.K. works in every way to serve the corporations.

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about based on what you've said.

 

[Deleted member 7878]

You've concocted a fantasy of what your ideal brexit would be, taking no aspect of the real world into account, and your pretending like that's how it's gonna play out in real life despite all the evidence to the contrary.

The Tories have been talkig for years about how they want to get rid of human rights. Under their rule homeless is higher than it has been in years and people with disabilities and terminal illness's are being forced into work.

What possible reason is there to believe that life, mental health in paricular, won't be worse rather than an unclear and non-descript ideological opposittion towards the neo-liberal boogyman?

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What's interesting for me is that people cannot comprehend an alternative to the current way we are. So pervasive is the neoliberal status quo, that an attempt to move outside it causes considerable mental friction. As if we can't comprehend a society not in thrall to the markets, to the corporations.

 

[alpha]

As an American I still don't understand why Brexit is even a thing.

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As an American, I do. The same dumbass reason Trump is our president.

Racism.

 

[ImaginaShawn]

As an American, I do. The same dumbass reason Trump is our president.

Racism.

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It's the main trait the parent passed down to the child.

 

[Deleted member 7878]

Aside from the terrible vagueness of these reasons, why on earth would you think Brexit isn't going to make all that stuff worse? Do you know how many nurses are from the EU? Mental health referrals had already spiked post-referendum. You look at the Vote Leave campaign and think they're in it for the people, not the corporations?

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The vote leave campaign had the correct answer for entirely the wrong reasons. They're a bunch of lying fools in my eyes.

 

[Siggy-P]

What's interesting for me is that people cannot comprehend an alternative to the current way we are. So pervasive is the neoliberal status quo, that an attempt to move outside it causes considerable mental friction. As if we can't comprehend a society not in thrall to the markets, to the corporations.

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Part of my degree involved 2 courses on both ecenomics and globalism. I'm more than aware of the equalities and inequalities of the EU, as well as advantages and drawbacks of the differing labour and welfare markets of the UK.

So you wanna provide a explanation to how the UK, a nation with a service based industry and not enough adequete resources to feed even half of its own population, let alone give them jobs to pay to survive, can cut itself off from the rest of the world and start over without disaster then by all means, tell us how that's likely to happen.

 

[Deleted member 7878]

Part of my degree involved 2 courses on both ecenomics and globalism. I'm more than aware of the equalities and inequalities of the EU, as well as advantages and drawbacks of the differing labour and welfare markets of the UK.

So you wanna provide a explanation to how the UK, a nation with a service based industry and not enough adequete resources to feed even half of its own population, let alone give them jobs to pay to survive, can cut itself off from the rest of the world and start over without disaster then by all means, tell us how that's likely to happen.

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And I've spent 22+ years working in economic related areas. Let's not have a internet pissing contest over something that is essentially subjective.

Maybe you could address why, if the EU is so great, the UK finds itself in the position you describe.

But this is the point, no? The UK is a bastion of inequality. We measure everything by economic worth (see my original post in this thread). We need a different way of organising society that doesn't view everything purely through the economic lens. That way lies mass depression, stress, anxiety. Modern society in fact.

I'll put it a different way;

You guys need more imagination.

 

[Deleted member 11626]

The US will be there soon enough. You guys won't suffer alone

 

[Deleted member 7878]

I'm being provocative of course, before everyone bursts.

 

[Mass_Pincup]

I'm certain that the status quo of Macron et al is not for me.

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Actually, Macron isn't the statu quo, he's precisely been elected on the basis that he was shattering the status quo between political party.

Spoiler

He's actually more neoliberal than what we had before.

 

[Toxi]

And I've spent 22+ years working in economic related areas. Let's not have a internet pissing contest over something that is essentially subjective.

Maybe you could address why, if the EU is so great, the UK finds itself in the position you describe.

But this is the point, no? The UK is a bastion of inequality. We measure everything by economic worth (see my original post in this thread). We need a different way of organising society that doesn't view everything purely through the economic lens. That way lies mass depression, stress, anxiety. Modern society in fact.

I'll put it a different way;

You guys need more imagination.

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You voted for it despite dismissing the people selling it as "Lying fools" and believing it would burn the country to the ground.

 

[Deleted member 7878]

You voted for it despite dismissing the people selling it as "Lying fools" and believing it would burn the country to the ground.

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There are numerous reasons to vote for Brexit and you don't need to believe the Leave campaigns lies to have an alternate reason to reject the EU.