Aint got time for your "facts" bruv. It's clearly because the EU is like the mafia and they're trying to punish us.
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EU is never gonna give up control and give the UK a unilateral option.
Second part sounds like the backstop always sounded (Backstop only kicks in if there is no better alternative after transition)?
And it admits some harsh realities which the government has been all too happy to ignore.
The EU have always 'offered' a UK wide customs union as potential backstop as long as it meets their concerns.
Back on the 26th of July, Barnier said this at a press conference.
Not really sure why it's been dressed as some concession. It's been on the table since the start. Hopefully we can now get to the next moment of reality which is whatever is set as the backstop is almost certainly going to be the fundamental base of the future long term relationship. There's no FTA which will remove the Irish border issues.
True. It's the paragraph beneath the red bit that concerns the EU and could be the next big argument.
The EU would accept an all-UK customs deal, but the UK also need an all-UK single market deal if they want to avoid any UK-NI border checks. The customs union only affects a few of the border checks.
The EU will require full regulatory oversight for UK single market access. The UK's "Regulatory equivalence" proposals are bullshit since the different member states are always coming to different conclusions on what the regulation actually means. EU oversight is required to prevent regulatory divergence (CJEU being the 'supreme court', but most disagreements are settled way below this level by EU regulatory quangos).
The EU regulators have relatively advanced plans for no-deal, since they've assumed that even if we get a deal it will not involve single market membership (since the government literally said that). The UK authorities have already been kicked out of all EU regulatory work unless it can be guaranteed that it will be finished before April and their roles assigned to other member states (expect some banking and medicines regulatory chaos on the EU side though). Meanwhile, our policy is some muddled statements that we'll build our own parallel regulatory system that's just as good as the EU's (with strippers and blackjack already covered by national regulations).
I don't understand this. Letting UK people come in the EU freely, in exchange for letting EU people come back (if they had lived in the UK in the past)? Seems like a much better deal for UK people, because it includes everyone in the future. Am I interpreting this right?
No, he means that UK citizens that are currently in the EU will be able to move freely to other EU countries, rather than being stuck in the one they reside in.
Especially because the Transition Period IS A CONCESSION TO US. It is the EU BEING NICE.
They don't want us sitting in the Transition forever almost as much as the Brexiters don't. It just adds more and more complications over time.
btw I don't actually think the EU can offer that without a treaty change (i.e it won't be in the withdrawal agreement). Migration from non member states is a reserved competency. The member states might agree to it but they'll need to go through their own national legislative procedure.
I love that the British government is fudging this by basically giving themselves the option to default into the agreed position with the EU rather than admitting they'll have to concede. As long as they can maintain the illusion that they are doing this BECAUSE THEY WANT TO not because they're being forced to by a superior partner, it's okay to sell their country down the river. Dat British superiority complex...
Yeah. Can't see how this will be agreed by the EU as it's basically giving control of theEU customs union and the SM to the UK.
This is gonna get seen as cherry picking.
Some of the highlights from the NAO's No Deal Prep report.
- If the UK leaves the EU with no 'deal' in place on 29 March 2019 [...] trade between the UK and the EU would be governed by World Trade Organization (WTO) rules including the principle of 'most favoured nation'. [...] This means that new customs controls, tariffs and non-tariff barriers might apply to around £423 billion of trade at the UK border.
- The effectiveness of departments' border planning and delivery has been affected by ongoing uncertainty and delays in negotiations. The uncertainty from the ongoing UK-EU negotiations has made it difficult to make clear planning assumptions
- There is a high delivery risk attached to government departments' border programmes for 'day one of no deal' due to their scale, complexity and urgency; this risk is magnified by the degree of interdependence between the programmes.
- Infrastructure identified by government departments cannot be built before March 2019
- The additional resources required to operate the border may not be ready by March 2019
- Businesses do not have enough time to make the changes that will be needed if the UK leaves the EU without a 'deal'
- The most complex issues relating to the border in the event of the UK leaving the EU without a 'deal' remain to be resolved.
I can't remember the last time she mentioned 'No deal is better than a bad deal'. The fact that she mentioned it at all shows how utterly incompetent she is, in trying to portray a strength and resilence that the UK has, when that wasn't actually there in the first place.
What a mess we are sleepwalking into. Someone in cabinet needs to gain a reality check.
What a mess we are sleepwalking into. Someone in cabinet needs to gain a reality check.
Might aswell ask the EU to prepare emergency aid for april 2019.
Daily Mail turning on brexiteers is unexpected.
This timeline is wild.
We better get this put in early as we might be reduced to send messages in bottles after March 2019.
Saying all of this, I still think the final outcome of this is late stage capitulation. It's the only thing we can do and it solves all the issues we are having.
Then there's no benefit at all to leaving the EU, other than the "benefit" of keeping the Polski Skleps out which some Brits seem to want so much. We'll still be negotiating deals as one.
I wonder if people are still in the get on with it mood. It's going to be a disaster unless we get some pointless no say like deal. The cost of new infrastructure and new oversight will make the billions we pay the EU a bargain. Brexit is such a waste of time and money with no gains, even if we strike a half way deal we've shot ourselves in both feet and end up worse off.
Obviously the people they stole these jobs from while on wellfare will solve all of it. Duuuh.
(Your reasoning is why no politician ever did anything about immigration when they could, they know it is necessary.)
Old people. Plus, because they're slow we wont have to pay them minimum wage.
The last 3 blokes in a pub vídeo was eye oppening to me, everything Will change in The UK... Mostly for worse btw
The transportation
The food
The healthcare
The border
..serious did anyone think about that, these are not things any govern Will be able to solve in just two yearsn, and im not even touching The european future that was taken from Young People there.
The transportation
The food
The healthcare
The border
..serious did anyone think about that, these are not things any govern Will be able to solve in just two yearsn, and im not even touching The european future that was taken from Young People there.
Some muppet in the comments there saying we'd have been fine if it wasn't for the remoaners.
Sad thing is, a quick history check says they're not joking.
Sad thing is, a quick history check says they're not joking.
from another thread:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/for-all-brits-screwed-by-brexit.76706/
(don't know if sarcastic or not)
well a smart way to do it could be to also then talk about immigration controls - which although they techically already have but don't use, they could claim them as some kind of pyrrhic victory.
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Damn, the Guardian edited the story to phrase it in a more awkward way but in https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-option-brexit-transition-period-extension-eu the British MEP Syed Kamall responded to the socialist faction in the EP demanding a second referendum by claiming that the Nazis were socialists.
Hi, I come from the future with images from post-Brexit Britain under the Tories:
affordable housing and police on the streets
I can not overstate how much my eyes roll every time I read this shit somewhere
Yeah, it seems he got most of the parliament shouting at him for that nonsense.
Well, it's in the name, duh!
Maybe someone should tell him that German social democrats were the only ones that voted against the Enabling Act in 1933 in parliament. Everyone else (except for the communists, who were already imprisoned) voted in favour, including centrist parties.
Who? I bet he's some nut-job UKIP lunat.... the leader of the Conservatives group in the EU Parliament.
Fucking hell, even in his so-called apology, he's at it again, "I get tired of people saying Nazism is a right-wing ideology". Just what the fuck does he think "right-wing" means?
Immigrants have been picking fruit long before the EU and FoM was a thing. Can't remember what you call it but they allowed many people to come over for the seasons. No idea how feasible it is nowadays though.
People don't realise until it's too late and I've already hear from old people, I would happily pay more for fruit if the need to pay people more while not thinking it's probably not pay that puts off British people.
They must get very confused by buffalo wings and dragonflies
Also that 'party of Churchill eaten by UKIP' quote. Why is it that everyone forgets what a racist cuntbag Churchill was
They realized that the people are sheep
They realized that the check of power is toothless
They realized that no-one cares about corruption
They realized that no-one cares about treason
They realized that the way the Nazis got into power still works
They realized that "conquer and divide" is even a good strategy on your own population
They realized that democracy is failing.
I'm familiar with Kamall from a few debates and that kind of lunacy is what he does.
Hyperpartisan, lowest common denominator stuff. He's terrible and there's a chance his awfulness will reach the UK once everything is said and done.
Hyperpartisan, lowest common denominator stuff. He's terrible and there's a chance his awfulness will reach the UK once everything is said and done.
I think that this is an important piece, and reflects a lot of my thoughts on Brexit and the issues with a "People's Vote":
https://newsocialist.org.uk/questions-organisers-peoples-vote-campaign/
https://newsocialist.org.uk/questions-organisers-peoples-vote-campaign/
I find the notion that another vote would risk the social fabric to be utterly disgusting to be honest.
Firstly, it openly accepts that Leave voters are going to riot in a way remainers didn't. And we're supposed to be fine with that. "Don't change your mind or leave voters will riot in the streets and it will be your fault!".
Secondly, *the social fabric is already torn behind repair*. Old people voted to deny young people the same opportunities and future they had, and won't suffer the consequence. The massive generational gap in the voting patterns shows a complete breakdown of society, and the fact that politicians are ignoring the demographics of the vote because it's politically scary is really depressing. Rights that we were *born* with are being stripped away because of a bunch of racist, xenophobic backwards fuckers. And you're telling me another vote would somehow cause more damage than we already have?
Firstly, it openly accepts that Leave voters are going to riot in a way remainers didn't. And we're supposed to be fine with that. "Don't change your mind or leave voters will riot in the streets and it will be your fault!".
Secondly, *the social fabric is already torn behind repair*. Old people voted to deny young people the same opportunities and future they had, and won't suffer the consequence. The massive generational gap in the voting patterns shows a complete breakdown of society, and the fact that politicians are ignoring the demographics of the vote because it's politically scary is really depressing. Rights that we were *born* with are being stripped away because of a bunch of racist, xenophobic backwards fuckers. And you're telling me another vote would somehow cause more damage than we already have?
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