That list of "what remaining actually looks like" in the comments is absolutely hilarious though.
Or it would be if it wasn't just brutally depressing that people swallow that tripe.
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BREXIT |OT2.0| A parade of endless victories for Boris Johnson
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That list of "what remaining actually looks like" in the comments is absolutely hilarious though.
Or it would be if it wasn't just brutally depressing that people swallow that tripe.
Hardcore Leavers are basically moved by the idea of the EU being at the verge of collapse (mass immigration, financial distress, political conflict leading to wars) and want the UK out before it happens so it can avoid the fallout. Being out of the EU means that plucky UK can navigate itself out of the maelstrom instead of being anchored to it.
We've seen that line of reasoning at Era's EtcetEra forum a bunch of times.
We've seen that line of reasoning at Era's EtcetEra forum a bunch of times.
I've said it before, but I genuinely believe this is posturing to put additional pressure on the government and remind everyone that this is a shitshow because of the government. That's what the "as things stand" condition implies.
This is also a reminder that there's been a meaningful overhead to all the preparations and negotiations Member States have had to make, and will continue to as long as this charade goes on.
But ultimately, there's no domestic political cost for France or Hungary to further delay, because they haven't promised to deliver Brexit, while there will be one if a Member State forces a no deal by being stubborn. Brexit will damage continental economies, and might lead to a recession, so no one wants that.
I think a lot of them are bots with loads of nutters thrown in
BXP don't have any MPs. She is their MP candidate for South Northhamptonshire though.
Oh ok, thanks. Didn't realise she was BXP.
Sorry I was referring to Ash Sarkar. I haven't heard of her (not that I'd heard of the other one either lol).
Oh Ash Sarkar is a journalist/commentator for Novara Media and part of the left-wing, broadly Corbyn supporting left media like Owen Jones or Aaron Bastani (but she's not trash like Bastani). You'll see her pop up on current affairs shows if you watch any, but she's most famous for saying "i'm literally a communist you idiot" to Piers Morgan on Good Morning Britain when that fuckface kept on trying to paint her as loving Obama for some reason.
The EU would of course accept, as it is the clearest sign of opinions starting to change. They will put some spin on it.
I'd not heard of her before, so just had a Google. She's a good chum of Liam 'Disgraced former Defence Secretary' Fox and is apparently very wealthy. Another rich The Brexit Company member pretending to be a normal person on the street, what a shock.
Seems to be a lot of chatter about a second referendum happening before a GE in the media at the moment, the Yellowhammer report seems to be a catalyst for it.
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What other fantasy scenarios can she come up with? How about a coalition with the Orks of Mordor!
Are you crazy? Those dudes are all big tent, melting pot-type hippies that are all for open/non-existant borders. Madness!
I don't think 27 EU leaders are going to accept a court order for an extension where the government had no say in it, especially if that order can be appealed.
But it's far fetched to imagine reaching that point anyways.
Brexiteers:
DONT TELL ME I DIDNT VOTE FOR NO DEAL. THE BALLOT PAPER ASKED LEAVE OR STAY AND I CHOSE LEAVE. DOESNT MATTER HOW!!!! THERE WERE NO SPECIFICS ON THE BALLOT PAPER!!!!
Also Brexiteers:
WE ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT ACCEPT MAYS DEAL!!!!! WE CANT JUST LEAVE WILLY NILLY AND LEAVE OURSELVES WORSE OFF THAN IF WE WERE STILL IN THE EU!!! WHAT MORON WOULD DO THAT?
Brexiteers:
ALL THE POLITICIANS STATED THEY WOULD RESPECT TH3 REFERENDUM IN THE 2017 ELECTION AND THEY ABSOLUTELY MUST!!! WHY ARENT THEY STICKING TO THEIR CAMPAIGN PROMISES??? WE ARENT GETTING WHAT WAS PROMISED WHEN WE VOTED!!!!
Also Brexiteers:
WHO CARES IF LITERALLY EVERY BRXITEER AND THE OFFICIAL LEAVE CAMPAIGN SAID THINGS WOULD BE THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF HOW THEY ARE NOW? IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT THEY SAID DURING THE CAMPAIGN!!!! IT DOESNT MAYTER IF WE GET WHAT WAS PROMISED WHEN WE VOTED!!!!!
Its fucking impossible to reason with the amount of double think that goes on.
DONT TELL ME I DIDNT VOTE FOR NO DEAL. THE BALLOT PAPER ASKED LEAVE OR STAY AND I CHOSE LEAVE. DOESNT MATTER HOW!!!! THERE WERE NO SPECIFICS ON THE BALLOT PAPER!!!!
Also Brexiteers:
WE ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT ACCEPT MAYS DEAL!!!!! WE CANT JUST LEAVE WILLY NILLY AND LEAVE OURSELVES WORSE OFF THAN IF WE WERE STILL IN THE EU!!! WHAT MORON WOULD DO THAT?
Brexiteers:
ALL THE POLITICIANS STATED THEY WOULD RESPECT TH3 REFERENDUM IN THE 2017 ELECTION AND THEY ABSOLUTELY MUST!!! WHY ARENT THEY STICKING TO THEIR CAMPAIGN PROMISES??? WE ARENT GETTING WHAT WAS PROMISED WHEN WE VOTED!!!!
Also Brexiteers:
WHO CARES IF LITERALLY EVERY BRXITEER AND THE OFFICIAL LEAVE CAMPAIGN SAID THINGS WOULD BE THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF HOW THEY ARE NOW? IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT THEY SAID DURING THE CAMPAIGN!!!! IT DOESNT MAYTER IF WE GET WHAT WAS PROMISED WHEN WE VOTED!!!!!
Its fucking impossible to reason with the amount of double think that goes on.
Don't forget invoking Churchill, Dunkirk Spirit and how we ruled the world for 400 years and it was just great for everyone involved.
Don't get why they don't just release the whole yellow hammer paper, we're not leaving with no deal, they've stated as much this past few weeks, it's not happening.
All this fawning over the content is ridiculous.
All this fawning over the content is ridiculous.
I see so much shit in the BBC comment section (I know I shouldn't read it, but I do sometimes slip up and it's bloody horrifying. It's this but unironically) that's exactly that. I want to try and make a good template that breaks down their bullshit effectively and quickly but everytime I make an attempt at it I keep thinking I'm missing something that they'll use at a second's notice.
What I really want to get good at is refuting this stuff face to face, but I get too agitated and anxious. I just completely fall apart and thus they win the argument.
The BBC comment section has improved drastically - the up/downvoting seems to favour remain now, whereas it used to be heavily leave-biased, and there's a lot more pro-remain commentary than there used to be.
i'm Surprised nobody is chasing downhow it seems to itself be a fabrication therefore not onlynot meeting the requirement of parliament but actively trying to mislead. Isn't that fraud?
American here, I've heard people talk about how dreadful Piers Morgan is but I've never actually heard him before. My god what a shit stain, people actually watch this fucker?
I wish this was still the case but I feel the whole outrage culture has made him a popular figure for whenever something is cancelled. I mean, the man shat himself over Fireman Sam no longer being a mascot for a fire station on live TV and the people lapped it up because ITS PC GONE MAD.
There's a reason most Brits were happy to pass him off to us Yanks. I think the only person who can make Piers look reasonable in the same room with him is Alex Jones:
Sadly he retired and went back to his home planet but hopefully the sheer fuckery of recent UK politics calls out to him like the bat signal and he comes back.
Wonder what world these people are living in. You have actively avoid almost all serious newspapers, or shows to believe that drivel, or assume it's all some big conspiracy.
Why wouldn't they accept? They want the UK to stay in the single market, it would fuck up Ireland for sure, and likely cause a recession. I assume that weighs a bit stronger than semantic arguments about who really represents the UK
That view of the EU being close to collapse is basically my mum's position. I have no idea where it's come from but she lives in a small Cambridgeshire village and reads the Daily Mail, so I guess they must have been peddling some crap along those lines for a while, and it's reinforced by the locals who all get their information from similarly bullshit sources. I try and reason with her about it but it just descends into a horrific argument when she goes on about how she lived through rationing and my generation don't know real hardship etc etc etc. It's just a complete and utter URGH.
A few years ago, maybe 2013/14, sometime around when local elections were coming up, I remember driving through the area I grew up in and being shocked that around 50 percent of the houses had UKIP signs and posters up outside. My mum talks sneeringly about the 'London bubble', but there's no bubbles more insular than these small village-based communities in East Anglia.
Too late
Politically it wouldn't be easy to approve an extension that the government didn't request itself.
And legally it might open a can of worms the EU isn't interested in opening.
But as I said that scenario actually happening seems unlikely to me
So do we reckon the original report probably came via Cummings and Co, some attempt at making out like Boris is actually doing something? What the fuck did he think would happen? The DUP would just go along with it? The one thing they will never accept is diluting their connection to the UK, they know it would mean an increased chance of a united Ireland.
Although of course Piers can spout whatever bullshit he likes and not get banned. Hell, Piers printed lies about torture in the Iraq War on the front of the Mirror and failed all the way up to various cushy presenter gigs.
Piers is an awful human. Thankfully I fully expect the next big vegan alternative to give him an aneurysm .
Or he eats so much red meat to own the libs, his heart explodes.
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