I was going to say he was actually a pretty crap european himself sometimes, screwed the parliament, empty chaired meetings for months etc.
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BREXIT |OT2.0| A parade of endless victories for Boris Johnson
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I was going to say he was actually a pretty crap european himself sometimes, screwed the parliament, empty chaired meetings for months etc.
That wasn't my statement, I'm just clarifying the only party the guy could have meant.
The Lib Dems, the Greens. I realise this is bait but please try harder.
Assuming you're not ignorant enough to be unaware of the existence of the Lib Dems and Greens, why don't you spring your "a-ha!" point on us as to why the people that coined the slogan "Bollocks to Brexit" aren't pro-EU.
*citation needed
There is a difference between anti-Brexit and pro-EU. They are both very much anti further European integration. The English have never been pro-EU.
Seeing as the Brexit party is all white grey haired old people that are all on health pensions I doubt a lot.
It will be all the poor black/middle east peoplw that suffer the most sadly. Hardly any of us vote for Tories or Brexit but will be the most to suffer.
I will be fine, but man I know so many that won't be.
Any sources from those parties you'd like to quote to support this claim?
Weird how a vote happened in the 70's that was 67/33 in favour of the EEC, with England returning much higher percentages in favour of association with what Europe was back then than anywhere else in the UK. Its only because of years of propaganda from idiots like Boris Johnson that the "opinion" on the EU has turned.
Like the Lib Dem's opposition to the ratification of the Lisbon Treaty? Like them sending Eurosceptics to the EU parliament. The book Britain and the European Union gives a good overview of the British parties view on the EU.
Lisbon Treaty ratification was what, over 10 years ago? Update your sources lol
You should read the Lib Dem manifesto and how "European values are Lib Dem values" in particular. There is nothing there opposing the EU...
And sending Eurosceptics like this guy to parliament:
"Those of us that support Europe".
Swear people just come in here to try and troll or something. Yes there is a lot of dickheads in the UK, yes the Brexit party are scum but not all the country is trash. I say this as a Jamaican immigrant who's kin folk (other people of Jamaican descent) have been treated like shit by this country.
Hate the trash that are causing this shit, not the ones trying to fight it. If I hated entire populations cus of how some act towards me I would hate all white people.
Hate the trash that are causing this shit, not the ones trying to fight it. If I hated entire populations cus of how some act towards me I would hate all white people.
I think there's an element of truth to this impression that hardly anybody in the UK is actually pro-European because the remain argument is made in economic terms much more often than in cultural terms. I personally think the cultural element is very important but I'm not sure the average remainer thinks in those terms.
I could speculate that younger people (especially students) would be more pro European on a cultural level. Lots of Europeans these days who come over to study and form strong friendships with brits. So the young would favour freedom of movement and such more as it's what allows their friends to be here. But that's not based in any evidence.
I'd also say it's just... more likely for someone to have grown up knowing someone - multiple people, really - from another EU country, particularly in urban areas. Most of the other people of Polish descent that my Dad knew growing up were old men who'd escaped the rise of the Communists back home, just as my grandfather had (by way of a POW camp, but still). My experience, particularly in secondary school - attending Catholic school and all - was vastly different.
It is because for a lot of Remainers, interacting with europeans is not a notable thing - it is just the way it is. Arguing for the status quo is harder.
EU to scrap financial market access for some countries in Brexit warning shot
Preview to what will happen to the british financial industry.
Preview to what will happen to the british financial industry.
The average remainer does but the average remainer doesn't have the advantage of controlling or even really guiding the conversation around brexit, which is why the arguments about brexit being racist have all but disappeared and been replaced by "brexit will be good for small businesses/ will be bad short-term but good long-term" economic bullshit made up by pro brexit people. Media in this country hinders our understanding of what is going on as much as it helps us
"You can take our rules or you can lose your financial industry". Sovereign Britain rules.
So it was a Brexit party 'worker' who claims to be a journalist who leaked the cables for the us ambassador. Claims he has his own sources despite being 19. Brexit party using him?
Smells like leaving a junior member of the team out to dry, Plod must be putting the heat on.
Tbf given the whole Darren Grimes situation he'd be quite confident of nothing bad happening to him at all.
Man from what i have seen the Tory party is already killing people.
yeah, and if you count the indirect victims of changes it runs into a hefty total.
The sad thing with "Brexit will kill people" is that it's an argument that fells flat for anyone voting Tories. Even if their own grand-mother ends up dying because of NHS cuts, they will see it as unavoidable / for the greater good sacrifice.
The only thing that will topple over the Brexit dream will be everyday luxuries being taken away or exploding in price. Coffee. Gasoline. Oranges. The new high-tech gadget.
That's the capitalistic nightmare: lives are worth less than products.
The only thing that will topple over the Brexit dream will be everyday luxuries being taken away or exploding in price. Coffee. Gasoline. Oranges. The new high-tech gadget.
That's the capitalistic nightmare: lives are worth less than products.
I don't know, some of the older voters seem really bitter about what some younger folk have, they would probably bear the suffering to talk bollocks about rationing and making do.
It'll happen when property values drop massively and if the state pension triple lock is removed.
The Daily Fail sure seems invested in propping up a new, low-rent Assange to sabotage anyone not on-board with jumping off a cliff, or anyone who points out that the cliff even exists.
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'but. But.. I thought things were changing since Paul Dacre had left?'
Absolute joke that many people believed that shit (James O'brien would comment how things weren't as bad since the Change).
I don't like the Tories, am Jamaican. No deal will make shit even worse, anyone wishing it to "teach UK a lesson" either doesn't know how bad it will hit or doesn't mind poor/sick people dying.
Increase retirement age and cutting pensions would be the only thing I see toppling the dream. The elderly and retired voted leave are protected from most of the impact, removing these and opinions will change. It the Fuck you I got mine mindset.
If the tories really understood Northern Ireland and the realities of living in this United Kingdom, they wouldn't risk the Union. They would not risk people's health and security.
When King Johnson ascends the throne next week, this slow-motion car crash will speed up.
The UK is also being left out at security related matters now: https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-barred-from-eu-cybersecurity-meeting-report/
So May goes to Buckingham Palace to support BoJo and he probably doesn't have majority support in Parliament
Nah, still no majority. It will be same shit different person in charge. We actually have Tories willing to rebel against boris so shit will be even more wild.
I wish I could bring myself to trust any tory to do the right thing here.
Man it is so hard being a pro EU black dude in UK.
Can't vote Labour cus Corbyn is so weird on EU
Can't vote Libs, as it is all about white liberal shite aka not really liberal.
Won't vote for Tories as they killed my kin and are Brexit mad. Plus they like killing poor people.
i don't think you will get another vote where brexit hasn't happened yet. well i don't trust the tory rebels to pull through at this stage.
I think enough will rebel that it makes shit even more of a mess. I can't see Boris lasting long
Even then, they would still blame migrants and the EU for that happening.
Fortunately the shitness of FPTP means its in your best (well, least bad) interest to vote against the party you dislike the most! Definitely a sensible way to run elections
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