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BREXIT |OT2.0| A parade of endless victories for Boris Johnson
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The phrase "flow of CUK gushing" will give me nightmares for weeks
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I understand the criticism of Remainiacs, but I have to say that I find them broadly pretty tolerable and informative regarding the shitshow that's going on. I could definitely do without all the pandering to Lib Dem and Tory viewpoints, though.
In other incompetence news, from the Sun douche via The Guardian:
"The revolution has failed (for now). Multiple sources tell me say the 1922 Executive will refuse to approve any changes to the leadership rules when it meets at 4pm by a comfortable majority. So May to stay.
It appears some of the public agitating for leadership rules changes in the last few days has quite badly backfired. It has turned some initially wavering 1922 exec members against.
Sir Graham Brady to announce the conclusion of the exec's deliberations to a full meeting of all Tory MPs at 5pm. So this looks like the second Brexiteer coup against May that has failed in four months."
"The revolution has failed (for now). Multiple sources tell me say the 1922 Executive will refuse to approve any changes to the leadership rules when it meets at 4pm by a comfortable majority. So May to stay.
It appears some of the public agitating for leadership rules changes in the last few days has quite badly backfired. It has turned some initially wavering 1922 exec members against.
Sir Graham Brady to announce the conclusion of the exec's deliberations to a full meeting of all Tory MPs at 5pm. So this looks like the second Brexiteer coup against May that has failed in four months."
The prospect of an independent Scotland is very exciting to me as a EU citizen. Here's hoping it happens and it wins this time. In Edinburgh I've heard countless people say they voted "no" and would change to "yes" this time because Brexit opened their eyes, so I think with a good campaign that ensures that Scotland would be part of the EU, that shouldn't too hard to win.
It was as close to the bone as it could get last time. Everything pointed to a Yes win but in the end we got scunnered thanks to currency fears and the whole "You won't be able to stay in the EU!" patter. Now that the UK is tanking its rep worldwide, as well as constantly heeing and hawing over the issue of EU membership, the road looks clear.
I doubt this even happens to be honest. Some Democrat will win in 2020 in the US, they'll condemn Brexit, and they'll pretend it never happened.
If it did happen, more countries would become completely autonomous and join the EU on their own, weakening Britain even more
If it did happen, more countries would become completely autonomous and join the EU on their own, weakening Britain even more
Hey, don't talk that way about the modern Rosa Parks, sonny jim.
Never underestimate the Brexiteers' ability to catastrophically fuck up.
I remember it being pretty close right to the end, when was everything pointing to yes? My memory might be playing tricks on me. I voted yes last time and would do so again, FWIW.
That pledge probably turned a few people too.
Isn't the problem with Independence now is basically one hell of a border issue and trade with the rest of UK, like Ireland without the GFA, we are still screwed if the UK doesn't stay close to the EU in a customs union, single market agreement. We trade more with the rest of the UK so how do you fix a similar impossible problem like the Irish border one?
I just don't think you call sell that unless the UK remains in the EU no matter the idiocy in Westminster. People will cling to the UK union more than before because that's the meat of the trade.
Isn't the problem with Independence now is basically one hell of a border issue and trade with the rest of UK, like Ireland without the GFA, we are still screwed if the UK doesn't stay close to the EU in a customs union, single market agreement. We trade more with the rest of the UK so how do you fix a similar impossible problem like the Irish border one?
I just don't think you call sell that unless the UK remains in the EU no matter the idiocy in Westminster. People will cling to the UK union more than before because that's the meat of the trade.
There's less political weight and moral obligation behind avoiding a border in that case
yes. either britain remains in the eu, in which case what's the difference that means we need another vote. or britain leaves the eu in which case you have to fight an extremely grim economic prospectus given the divergence on goods/services with trade partner and the collapse of the global price of oil since 2014.
It's hard to keep track, saw this shared on my feed of another CUK Mep wannabe throwing out some transphobia to give CUK the bigotry bingo.
Also seems like someone knew of one of the s homophobia and tried to edit their Wikipedia page the day before they were announced to be running.
Also seems like someone knew of one of the s homophobia and tried to edit their Wikipedia page the day before they were announced to be running.
honestly the least surprising thing in the world is finding out the party attracts TERFs. I just assume that's a given.
Weetman's a known TERF so not even slightly surprising. A huge part of their centrist target crowd are TERFy scumfucks.
Lol. This was maybe my favourite of her claims along with "most prominent anti-racism political resignation" or something. Wow. Humble.
Lol. This was maybe my favourite of her claims along with "most prominent anti-racism political resignation" or something. Wow. Humble.
Let's not forget whatever fucking dire take this was like what. Her main schtick seems to be calling out antisemitism but then spends so much time over a year making these claims.
Yeah, but it will be completely ignored by most of the press.
Why do anything when you can just whinge about it on the Today Programme instead?
They really are. And just like New Labour, they make the Lib Dems look better just by existing.
lmao catching up on the guardian politics weekly from last Thurs
Chris Leslie interviewed for TIG
"it's about time someone made the case FOR the european parliament, all these other parties are sort of down on it and saying how bad it is...
we shouldn't be taking rules from other countries we should be making rules"
Chris Leslie interviewed for TIG
"it's about time someone made the case FOR the european parliament, all these other parties are sort of down on it and saying how bad it is...
we shouldn't be taking rules from other countries we should be making rules"
it's all lies... which is why 2 of their MEP candidates stood down the day after being picked.
Glad they sorted that out then. No problem here.
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One of the candidates Frances Weetman or something like that is crazy. Not only did she say UK wasn't built on slavery she spewing eugenic shit about Jewish people.
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I don't think it's that simple. Brexit itself is showing to be a good cautionary tale of how independence would go. Replace the EU with rUK and UK with Scotland.
We've all seen how tribal the Tories will go, if they are in power for an independence vote, then they will grant no favours and it'll be a bad split. A solid case to remain can be made highlighting the above as well as emphasizing that Scotland does the majority of its trade with rUK.
The inherent problem is immigration. Scotland needs it, and it isn't getting enough from rUK moving into the country. So it is a choice of shorter term painful hits (rUK trade being fucked) vs long term gains (immigration control that suits the country's needs and changing the country's economy to work outwith the rUK).
Immigration is of course required by the rUK as well, but we still live with a party who like to put their head in the sand and pretend it's the cause of all bad things in the country, not the symptom of gutting the services to handle immigration well in local communities. No sir.
The hunger for a referendum isn't there currently either, hence why Sturgeon has given a pretty vague commitment to it with Brexit flavoured strings. The Tories got a massive return in the 2017 election from selling themselves as the party of the union and the polls haven't shifted to a consistent and strong yes result.
Salmond was all about making the referendum happen and working from there to raise the yes vote. Sturgeon is much more cautious generally, and is aware that a second No vote locks the debate out for a really fuckin' long time. I think it may be her downfall, the SNP base are still pretty hungry for indyref2.
My stance tends to fall with Sturgeon, it's not the right time to seek independence, and trying to do it now will only damage the chances of it ever happening.
Anne Widdecombe has always been terrifying. She's actually quite useful - if she has an opinion on something you can be almost certain the opposite is true.
the fuuuuuuuuuuuuuckLet's not forget whatever fucking dire take this was like what. Her main schtick seems to be calling out antisemitism but then spends so much time over a year making these claims.
As a grown adult, to feel the need to take a 16-year-old political activist trying to advocate for a greener world to ensure a sustainable and liveable future for her generation and try and tear her down publicly using your privileged voice in national media should be a moment of intense clarity that you are an actively terrible, villainous person.
when May split the withdrawal agreement and political declaration someone on here joked that MPs will soon start voting page by page.
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