I can't, honestly. I'm not sure if it's because my vision is terrible, I'm horribly colorblind, or I just don't care enough.
Can some people really not see the difference between 30fps and 60fps?
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I have and wear prescription glasses and I cannot tell the difference between 30 fps or 60 fps. If they were running side by side? Probably but if Im playing a game Im not saying to myself hey this game isn't 60 fps. Now if it's sub 30 fps? Yes I can see the difference.
yup, especially people who say they can tell between 120 and 144 and above, they can fuck off with those lies.
I can tell the difference but as long as the framerate is solid I can handle 30 for certain genres. I grew up with much worse framerates and frame timing.
You get used to 30 with console gaming.
I don't go back and forth a lot between graphics and performance modes when the option is there, I just pick one and stick to it. If it's a fast paced game I pick 60 but I don't know that I could just look at the screen and tell what the frame rate is.
I don't go back and forth a lot between graphics and performance modes when the option is there, I just pick one and stick to it. If it's a fast paced game I pick 60 but I don't know that I could just look at the screen and tell what the frame rate is.
If you show me the same thing running at 30 and 60, I can differentiate between those, but otherwise, I'm usually not sure what something is running at. Often I can guess based on circumstances, like if it's a Switch game that's not Smash or Mario Kart I can assume that it's running at 30 or below, but otherwise it's a crapshoot. I think it's not so much a physical inability to see the difference, as it is the fact that the way I interact with gaming doesn't lend itself to counting frames.
Same.
I think above 60 fps (120, 144, 240 etc.) the benefit is more related to responsiveness than smoothness. So, someone that plays a competitive game can get an advantage.
I don't think there is anyone who wouldn't be able to tell if they toggled between 30fps and 60fps on the fly.
But the average person probably can't tell what the framerate is if you sit them down with a videogame and ask them. That comes with experience and being aware of this kind of stuff.
However I think it's no coincidence that very successful multiplayer games are 60fps. They're inherently more fun to play due to their higher framerates.
But the average person probably can't tell what the framerate is if you sit them down with a videogame and ask them. That comes with experience and being aware of this kind of stuff.
However I think it's no coincidence that very successful multiplayer games are 60fps. They're inherently more fun to play due to their higher framerates.
People also tend to claim you can't notice the difference between 60-120, 120-144, and 144-240. I mean... sure you can. Even some last gen "performance" modes that sent you from 30 into the high heavens of 45FPS were preferable. It's also very easy to notice drops from 60 into the 50s.
Your brain can get used to anything though. A lot of people could potentially have gone through life at 30FPS.
Your brain can get used to anything though. A lot of people could potentially have gone through life at 30FPS.
The difference is very obvious 30 to 60 to 120 and 144. Having said that I dont have any issues playing some games at 30 FPS
Example Spider man 2018 looks and play completely fine at 30, but looks and plays even better at 60
What I do have problems with is with fluctuating frame rates, a consistent frame rate is always going to be better. VRR and gsync help a lot with this
I also wouldn't be able to play a first person shooter at 30 fps on a monitor w/mouse/keyboard, but I've never had any issue playing FPS games on a TV at 30 fps with a controller. Having said that I much prefer 60 fps, and by and large most fps games have been 60 fps this gen on consoles.
Example Spider man 2018 looks and play completely fine at 30, but looks and plays even better at 60
What I do have problems with is with fluctuating frame rates, a consistent frame rate is always going to be better. VRR and gsync help a lot with this
I also wouldn't be able to play a first person shooter at 30 fps on a monitor w/mouse/keyboard, but I've never had any issue playing FPS games on a TV at 30 fps with a controller. Having said that I much prefer 60 fps, and by and large most fps games have been 60 fps this gen on consoles.
I thought Ridge Racer 3D was 60 FPS and Ridge Racer PSP was 30. Turns out it's the other way around. I don't know what causes this but RR3D feels a lot smoother and faster than RRPSP, which feels sluggish. There have been other games like this that I thought were 60 FPS that were actually 30, so I've never been able to confidently say what framerate a game runs at when asked.
However, if you were to put two versions of the exact same game running next to one another, but one version was running at 30 and the other at 60, I would notice.
However, if you were to put two versions of the exact same game running next to one another, but one version was running at 30 and the other at 60, I would notice.
I can see the difference between 30 and 60.
I can't see the difference between 45 and 60 though.
I can't see the difference between 45 and 60 though.
I can instantly tell the difference between 60 and 120+, I wish I couldn't tell the difference between 30 and 60.
I can definitely see the difference between 30 and 60, but I don't think I've every really had a problem with a completely locked 30 if that's what the game offered. A locked 60 is preferred, but I've enjoyed plenty of games with a locked 30 over the years when that's the only option offered by the game.
I think the 30 vs 60 issue became more interesting to me when console games started offering performance modes with 30 but better graphics vs the quality modes with 60 but some graphical features turned off/decreased. To me in those cases, I guess I take it game by game to see if going down to 30 is worth the added graphics settings being offered.
I think the 30 vs 60 issue became more interesting to me when console games started offering performance modes with 30 but better graphics vs the quality modes with 60 but some graphical features turned off/decreased. To me in those cases, I guess I take it game by game to see if going down to 30 is worth the added graphics settings being offered.
Yeah, on fixed-angle camera games 30fps is fine. Every time I pan the camera around, though, the more frames the better.
I think it's a matter of knowing what to look for once you've figured out how to spot it... eventually even 2-3 frame dips from 60 become quite noticeable.
I'm probably a weird one - I'm very sensitive to it, but equally I don't care all that much, fluctuating frame rates without a VRR display get to me a lot more. 30 fps always feels fine to me so long as latency is relatively low and frame timing stays locked at 33.3ms.
Despite owning a 2080ti and a 144hz monitor, I've played numerous games recently at 30fps just for the eye candy lol. The SpecialK tool by Kaldaien comes in handy here for ensuring frame timing and latency stay in check.
I'm probably a weird one - I'm very sensitive to it, but equally I don't care all that much, fluctuating frame rates without a VRR display get to me a lot more. 30 fps always feels fine to me so long as latency is relatively low and frame timing stays locked at 33.3ms.
Despite owning a 2080ti and a 144hz monitor, I've played numerous games recently at 30fps just for the eye candy lol. The SpecialK tool by Kaldaien comes in handy here for ensuring frame timing and latency stay in check.
30 fps look like the 15 fps UFO on a LG OLED, that's why the difference is more dramatic to some.
TestUFO: Framerates
Animation on Blur Busters UFO Motion Tests for testing displays and monitors.www.testufo.com
honestly, the easiest way to tell is by watching that UFO fly. change the pixels per second and all that.
note: if you have a 60 hz screen, the 120 hz will look exactly like the 60 hz and etc.
it's easy to tell the difference when switching between the 2. like playing halo 3 for hours, then playing cod4 then going back to halo, you'll notice the smoothness has changed. a locked 30 is usually fine though. forza horizon has shown its not an issue. the only major issue is when the frametime and/or fps are unstable.
If I just pick up a controller and play, then no I usually can't tell the difference. If I switch back and forth while playing the same game then I can.
I have a friend who doesn't see the difference between 60 and 120 on his LG CX. It's the weirdest shit. I'm sitting next to him and the game is fluid as hell and he's like "this is just 60 fps but the game looks worse". What makes this weird is that he doesn't play 30 fps games at all because to him they feel like a slideshow, which is fair to a certain degree I guess, but caring so much about framerate that you literally don't play anything below 60 fps and then not seeing the difference between 60 and 120 is just bizarre to me.
30 vs 60 I can easily tell now that I've been playing 60 fps games more often, but I've been having issues telling 120 and 60 apart, played a bit of Ori 2, Power Rangers (fps boost) and Nioh 1, but couldn't tell if 120 fps felt different from 60.
60 fps is an absolute selling point for me. I mean, I would've bought a PS5 for the 60 fps patches alone.
People have different eyes.
I myself have severely impaired vision in one eye due to getting glass embedded in it at a young age which has caused scarring across the lens and cataracts and also halted my eyes development.
This causes many issues such as depth perception and impaired colour vision in that eye which isn't great when you are already colourblind and on top of that ghosting of fast moving objects.
Even side by side I can barely tell the difference. The only difference I perceive is that the character feels too floaty like they aren't attached to the ground.
I myself have severely impaired vision in one eye due to getting glass embedded in it at a young age which has caused scarring across the lens and cataracts and also halted my eyes development.
This causes many issues such as depth perception and impaired colour vision in that eye which isn't great when you are already colourblind and on top of that ghosting of fast moving objects.
Even side by side I can barely tell the difference. The only difference I perceive is that the character feels too floaty like they aren't attached to the ground.
I can easily tell the difference between 30 and 60 also I adjust to it easily enough in games with good 30 fps (PS4 Spider-man) . Bloodborne right now is difficult for me to play which actually hurts because it's one of my top 3 games ever . After getting used to higher framerates over the last 3 some odd years "bad" 30 fps is a no go for me any longer .:(
My boss apparently can't see the difference at all having played Outriders on both PS4 Pro and PS5
His answer to me is "I dont have a 60 frames per second TV. I dont see the difference it'd make anyways"
I wanted to commit suicide when I heard this. My fiance found it hilarious.
His answer to me is "I dont have a 60 frames per second TV. I dont see the difference it'd make anyways"
I wanted to commit suicide when I heard this. My fiance found it hilarious.
More casual people who don't browse message boards like this just don't care about these things. I remember knowing people who couldn't tell the difference between SD and HD video back in the day.
I believe a small amount can't but I also believe there are a number who take that stance and feign ignorance just to defend 30 fps games. They say they can't notice the difference because to say so they would feel like they are saying, they are playing something inferior.
There is nothing wrong with playing something at a lower frame rate if that is the limit of your system and for whatever reasons you enjoy playing on that particular system. That is perfectly fine. And its obnoxious to rail against somebody who makes that choice. But I think there is also a 30 fps defense force who just pretends they don't see or it isn't a big deal just to defense force.
I also think more casual people might not be able to verbally explain the difference therefore they say they can't see it because they don't have the terminology to explain it.
I only notice once I switch back to 30 after getting used to 60 for a while and then I can't go back. If a game is 30 only though, it doesn't bother me in the slightest as long as the frame rate is stable.
My wife still can't tell the difference between broadcast TV @ 480p and 4k bluray other than hdr. That she notices.
I can't and to be honest i'm really glad i can't. I feel like i can enjoy games much more because of it.