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Vamphuntr

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The only thing good he's got in the work so far is to open up the taxy industry to more players. Otherwise, it's mostly trash.

What's helping his image is that he has a "we''ll do it no matter what" attitude and the unfortunate victims he's trampling with his projects are not important to a majority of people here.

The best thing from this government is probably his health minister. She's investing in healthcare and actually working to improve the system that was left to rot under the previous government. I work in the system and I actually saw a big difference.

The rest of his government is more or less populist ideas. His reform of our immigration system is dubious but the fact he wanted to throw into the thrash the 18 000 files in the current queue in the thrash to quickly apply his reform was disgusting.

His religious ban passed under the guise of secularism is pretty poor because it considers Christian symbols has an heritage while all of the rest is offending. He would have a point to defend total secularism but his view is hypocritical.

In QC the majority seems to be ok with the last two points because the older population had to deal with Meech, the 95 referendum and everything else that came with it so they are wary of immigrants. The fact they are getting trampled under his boot is no worry to them.

Even the taxi reform has more or less the same victims. The biggest market is Montréal where the price of taxi licenses were grossly inflated. A huge chunk of taxi drivers are immigrants and since they took loans or invested money to get those licenses and that the compensation will not be really good they will be the ones losing.

I'm not debating if the project is good or not but simply that in each cases the victims are the same and definitely there isn't much sympathy for them in this province.

It's different like from Ford who is furiously cutting services to quite a huge number of people : poor, students, vulnerable kids with needs, francophones
 

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Turns out other First Nations Lawyers aren't happy with Joyal being recommended (and Pam Palmater is no fan of the Trudeau Government)


And surprisingly there are counter leaks from her side about WHY she picked him. Considering how shocked, SHOCKED! and scandalized some were by the first leak about the judge, I would have assumed she'd take the W and not respond. But again, maybe not because if she's getting heat from other First Nations leaders rather then the media about her past actions



(I can't read the article it's behind a paywall so... tho people are pointing out he has been fine on the LGBTQ2 front while being Chief Justice)

In short, oh shit this is getting messy
 
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And surprisingly there are counter leaks from her side about WHY she picked him. Considering how shocked, SHOCKED! and scandalized some were by the first leak about the judge, I would have assumed she'd take the W and not respond. But again, maybe not because if she's getting heat from other First Nations leaders rather then the media about her past actions
Or maybe she's just a Liberal and all they know how to do is make things worse for themselves. lol
 

Lebon30

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The best thing from this government is probably his health minister. She's investing in healthcare and actually working to improve the system that was left to rot under the previous government. I work in the system and I actually saw a big difference.

Living in region where "oh sorry, it's only offered at Chicoutimi hospital" for almost any specialized services, I beg to differ. It alwyas has been like that. The libs did do bad things in order to cut spendings everywhere and healthcare had very unpopular changes that were necessary for the debt. Were they done right? No. I would have limited the salary of directors before cutting and centralizing anything else.

As for the rest, my bro is suffering from a blocked urethra and needs an operation that is extremely complicated. Guess where the specialty is. Certainly not in region and the system system makes it very easy for us in region to talk to these specialists (/s of course...) when you only need to ask questions in order to make things progress.

The rest of his government is more or less populist ideas. His reform of our immigration system is dubious but the fact he wanted to throw into the thrash the 18 000 files in the current queue in the thrash to quickly apply his reform was disgusting.

That was disguting indeed.

His religious ban passed under the guise of secularism is pretty poor because it considers Christian symbols has an heritage while all of the rest is offending. He would have a point to defend total secularism but his view is hypocritical.

That's why I'm neutral on this issue. Both sides of the medal has positive. On one side, removing religious for people in situation of power makes sense (police, judge, jury, teacher TOPS). However, for people working for the government at a desk... I disagree. Keeping our heritage is one thing, but we must not stop others to show their own in their daily lives.

I think what's offending people the most is that a vocal minority of immigrants tries to put down our own heritage for their own agenda. And it's what's pushing the CAQ to this law. It's always the minority that fucks it up for the majority.

Even the taxi reform has more or less the same victims. The biggest market is Montréal where the price of taxi licenses were grossly inflated. A huge chunk of taxi drivers are immigrants and since they took loans or invested money to get those licenses and that the compensation will not be really good they will be the ones losing.

It sucks for them I agree. Purchasing a licence for 200k, it's just so f*ing bad. I can see why they hate this new law. However, in the long run, it will a major plus for most of the society. I will allow other players to serve regions too where the market is much smaller. That will drive prices down.
 

djkimothy

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I'm pretty sure whoever is leaking from Wilson Raybould side is Wilson Raybould herself. It was pretty obvious in the get go when this all started. I'm kinda enjoying these leak wars though. It gives a bit of behind the scenes of government you normally wouldn't be privy to.
 

Gabbo

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I'm pretty sure whoever is leaking from Wilson Raybould side is Wilson Raybould herself. It was pretty obvious in the get go when this all started. I'm kinda enjoying these leak wars though. It gives a bit of behind the scenes of government you normally wouldn't be privy to.
Part of me would rather not know how the federal sausage is made in this case. Everyone comes out looking petty
 

bremon

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More campaign drama for Kenney. Allegations of voter fraud and irregular donations in his party leadership campaign. Somewhere Brian Jean is crying a river over his Wild Rose crown being stolen from him.
 

Kernel

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More campaign drama for Kenney. Allegations of voter fraud and irregular donations in his party leadership campaign. Somewhere Brian Jean is crying a river over his Wild Rose crown being stolen from him.

NDP should keep shouting Doug Ford like they should have mentioned Mike Harris here in Ontario.

Because that's what he is, or worse.
 

Maneil99

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Have we talked about how bad the home buyers plans are from the LPC? Absolute trash idea that panders to keeping home values up for existing homeowners vs actual affordability.


I work in the banking/mortgage industry and it's clear as day what is going on here. The big banks are pissed that the stress tests are limiting sales and are feeling it over the last 12 months. CMHC won't get rid of it or lower it so they are doing this instead.
 
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She doesn't seem to agree lol


Considering that journalists will always protect their source it's kinda hard to verify this. And because sources are "usually" verified by more than one source it leaves the pool of leakers quite small on her side. This is one statement in which I don't believe her? If not her it's someone in her staff (or a lawyer? in order to maintain plausible deniability) in which she gave a wink and a nod. Everything so far has unravelled pretty much how she'd want it to. There's no way this would leak to "Robert Fife" and then she'd run with it in this manner.
 

gutter_trash

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Turns out other First Nations Lawyers aren't happy with Joyal being recommended (and Pam Palmater is no fan of the Trudeau Government)


And surprisingly there are counter leaks from her side about WHY she picked him. Considering how shocked, SHOCKED! and scandalized some were by the first leak about the judge, I would have assumed she'd take the W and not respond. But again, maybe not because if she's getting heat from other First Nations leaders rather then the media about her past actions



(I can't read the article it's behind a paywall so... tho people are pointing out he has been fine on the LGBTQ2 front while being Chief Justice)

In short, oh shit this is getting messy

See Lefties, before trying to bandwaggon onto an unknown "Champion", just be sure to find out if they are really on your side.

Wolf in Sheep's clothing
 

bremon

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Gutter, you act as if your Lib4Lyfe mantra doesn't mean you grasp onto any "champion" with the L beside their name on a ballot. Your advice rings pretty hollow.
 

gutter_trash

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not you but some of the other overly RIGHTEOUS people get blinded by their "Righteousness" to the point where they stop asking basic questions as "Why is this happening?" "What is the motivation?" "What is her allegiance?"

then lol, wanted to nominate a Social Conservative to the Court.
 

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For what's it worth, I haven't seen any evidence, in either rulings or speeches, that Joyal is anti-LGBT or anti-abortion (and the Manitoba Bar Association came out with a statement vociferously defending him on that front).

not you but some of the other overly RIGHTEOUS people get blinded by their "Righteousness" to the point where they stop asking basic questions as "Why is this happening?" "What is the motivation?" "What is her allegiance?"

then lol, wanted to nominate a Social Conservative to the Court.

and some overly RIGHTEOUS people get blinded by their "Righteousness" to the point where they don't bother to do things like adhere to the most basic ethical standards with respect to conflict of interests, respecting how important it is in a democracy for prosecutions to be independent from political interference, or the importance of confidentiality to maintain the integrity of the judicial appointment process.
 

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ooohhhhh now confidentiality is important now!!! ohh now leaks are bad?
hahahahahahahahahaha

The initial leaker doesn't like leaks

The original leak about Trudeau's interference at least served the public interest to blow the whistle on his improper behavior and the details of the leak have been pretty much confirmed by the non-JWR testimony we saw at the justice committee.

With the Joyal leak I don't see any public interest angle. How is it in the public served for a senior sitting judge to be smeared and the potential for the leak to cause a chill in judicial applications for fear their application will be leaked an politicized?

There's an easy way out of this scandal for the Liberal party and Anybody-But-Conservative voters before the election. A full public airing where all the actors are invited to speak openly and without restrictions and everybody found to have attempted to pressure the Attorney General gets sacked. The bad apples all get punished and the Liberals can truthfully say they've actually dealt with the matter and cleaned house.
 

gutter_trash

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The original leak about Trudeau's interference at least served the public interest to blow the whistle on his improper behavior and the details of the leak have been pretty much confirmed by the non-JWR testimony we saw at the justice committee.

With the Joyal leak I don't see any public interest angle. How is it in the public served for a senior sitting judge to be smeared and the potential for the leak to cause a chill in judicial applications for fear their application will be leaked an politicized?
I say it serves the public interest to find out the JWR was okay with appointing Social Conservatives to the Court.
 
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Have we talked about how bad the home buyers plans are from the LPC? Absolute trash idea that panders to keeping home values up for existing homeowners vs actual affordability.


I work in the banking/mortgage industry and it's clear as day what is going on here. The big banks are pissed that the stress tests are limiting sales and are feeling it over the last 12 months. CMHC won't get rid of it or lower it so they are doing this instead.
Canadaland's OPPO podcast went into how (and i'm paraphrasing here; they tore apart the policy in far greater detail) the current system actually benefits the banks and not the general home buyer since it's not addressing the issue of demand for affordable while banks gets insured courtesy of the CMHC should you fail to default on your mortgage, meaning they take on less risk compared to the people buying the property. Essentially, it further inflates demand while simultaneously causing any potential home buyers to lose out on their equity as a result of these changes to these buyer pools: https://www.canadalandshow.com/podcast/26-jason-kenneys-60000-problem/

Speaking of OPPO re: How Raybould's SC recommendation for a justice i.e. them being an "originalist"/opponent of the Charter, the sort of judge that even Harper didn't try to get on the court when he had as many opportunities as he did, not resulting in a cabinet shuffle at the time might lead one to wonder why there wasn't one but (this is pure speculation on my part), well, optics. Recall that one of the major questions surrounding the then-unknown SCC candidate was whether we would get a long overdue indigenous justice on the Supreme Court and the subsequent criticism the Trudeau government received as a result for picking another white person and the current makeup of the Supreme Court of Canada being 100% white, to say nothing of how no non-white person has ever served on SCC.

Were there to be a cabinet shuffle involving Raybould at around the same time as a result of these disagreements, these criticisms and the other ones lobbied against the Trudeau government's handling of reconciliation (this was roughly when coverage of the Millenium Scoop and boiling warnings on reserves started to blow up) would have been greatly amplified due to them removing the first indigenous attorney general/Minister of Justice from their post. Again this is pure speculation on my part; it doesn't explain why this disagreement didn't result in an earlier cabinet shuffle for Raybould were the nominee to have been such a major sticking point.
 
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Maneil99

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Canadaland's OPPO podcast went into how (and i'm paraphrasing here; they tore apart the policy in far greater detail) the current system actually benefits the banks and not the general home buyer since it's not addressing the issue of demand for affordable while banks gets insured courtesy of the CMHC should you fail to default on your mortgage, meaning they take on less risk compared to the people buying the property. Essentially, it further inflates demand while simultaneously causing any potential homebuyers to lose out on their equity as a result of these changes to these buyer pools: https://www.canadalandshow.com/podcast/26-jason-kenneys-60000-problem/
Yup, it really isn't going to help anyone. It helps banks and CMHC gets to own equity in thousands of peoples homes. Expect prices to rise after it goes through.
 

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Yeah, Tiktaalik was also right on the terrible housing policy right after the budget.

This isn't about anything in the budget and I couldn't find the damn Tweet when I was looking for it, but a few weeks ago it popped up into my feed that Canada's middle-of-the-road in terms of home ownership rate and you have nations above and below us in that. Some have government mortgage insurance and others do not and there wasn't much of a pattern with/without.
 

SRG01

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The banks are just salty that they don't get that sweet, sweet mortgage money from the unwashed poors of society.

Canada's RE market is completely messed up, because any new supply that comes onto the market gets snatched up nearly immediately, and local laws for reducing foreign cash doesn't go far enough.

On the other end of the spectrum, provinces like Alberta have a supply glut of detached housing that no one wants to buy -- but they're still building to the far outskirts of the city.
 

Kernel

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Government will do shit all to do anything about affordable housing at large.

Only solution is to move somewhere where housing is cheaper and hope you can get a job.

Too many people make money off the RE housing market trainwreck.
 
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The banks are just salty that they don't get that sweet, sweet mortgage money from the unwashed poors of society.

Canada's RE market is completely messed up, because any new supply that comes onto the market gets snatched up nearly immediately, and local laws for reducing foreign cash doesn't go far enough.

On the other end of the spectrum, provinces like Alberta have a supply glut of detached housing that no one wants to buy -- but they're still building to the far outskirts of the city.

It was pretty cool to see a mortgage broker and be told we could afford a $500k mortgage, then remembered there are zero townhouses near us that are priced so low and the only condos in that price range are super shitty. So move another 25-30km away from work, making my 30 minute commute into an hour or more, I guess. Huzzah for Vancouver! And we make $100k a year. I can't imagine people who make less.
 

killerrin

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Government will do shit all to do anything about affordable housing at large.

Only solution is to move somewhere where housing is cheaper and hope you can get a job.

Too many people make money off the RE housing market trainwreck.

I'm a software developer and I've already written off ever owning a home. My career forces me into being in expensive cities or having to deal with extra long hour long commutes. Like I make more than a decent amount of money (nearly 60k) for a single person with no dependents. But despite my salary I am barely able to afford a simple 1 bedroom or studio apartment without blowing my budget and needing to heavily manage my leftover income.

The worst part is that I would love to move back home to Windsor and be able to work remotely on my Salary (or hell, even less). But like despite the fact that it is the 21st century and we have Fiber connections, instant access to anybody over the internet, 24/7 365. Too many employers don't want to do it. They want you to be local, to be in the office, you suddenly become the first in line during any layoffs and it in general just feels like an uphill battle to even bring the topic up with them.

Heck, if we can fix that issue. If we can get better internet access across this entire country so that Companies have less of a reason to say no. It would do wonders to solving the housing problem because now people could look into moving away while not being 100% tied to their job. Another way we could fix it is if we just did our part as a society and invested in proper transportation. Proper Metro's for our cities, High Speed Rail connecting our cities together. People would be ditching their cars en-masse and moving farther away because they wouldn't be dependent on location.
 
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Speaking of optics surrounding the federal governent's (mis)handling of reconciliation:
 

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I'm a software developer and I've already written off ever owning a home. My career forces me into being in expensive cities or having to deal with extra long hour long commutes. Like I make more than a decent amount of money (nearly 60k) for a single person with no dependents. But despite my salary I am barely able to afford a simple 1 bedroom or studio apartment without blowing my budget and needing to heavily manage my leftover income.
ugh, it's depressing knowing that even if I'm lucky this is basically the best I can hope for in a few years...
 

bremon

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Yeah 60k in a major city definitely isn't going to cut it if you want to own your own place. Just saving money at that point can involve roommates, and a mortgage definitely requires a partner. The single income household days for average people are long gone.
 

Kernel

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Yeah 60k in a major city definitely isn't going to cut it if you want to own your own place. Just saving money at that point can involve roommates, and a mortgage definitely requires a partner. The single income household days for average people are long gone.

I'm barely getting by in a single income household.

Having an autistic kid and a province that either gives you a waitlist or cuts does that.
 

killerrin

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ugh, it's depressing knowing that even if I'm lucky this is basically the best I can hope for in a few years...
It sucks. I'm looking for apartments now because of life smacking me across the face at every opportunity this past month. But the math basically comes down to:

Gross Income: 57k. Turns into 43k after tax. Which turns into anywhere from $3000-$3500/mo depending on benefit costs. 1 Bedroom or Studio apartments in pretty much most cities will cost you 1000-1500/mo + Utilities which can add another $300 after Water* (Often included in rent), Hydro, Heating and Internet. Leaving you anywhere from 1700-2200. Next add Food (Expensive because you are in the city), Renters Insurance (requirement), Auto Insurance + Gas ($300-400) if you have a Car, or a Bus Pass ($120), Cellphone ($100), Student Loans ($300), Credit Cards (The statistics say people are drowning in CC Debt). Plus a whole bunch of other little things I'm missing. And you are basically scraping the bottom of the barrel with only like $500 remaining. And this isn't even including miscellaneous "fun" money because you need money leftover after survival needs to do fun things because if you don't you are going to be stressed and develop mental disorders and put yourself onto a path of having a mental breakdown.

Which don't get me wrong. It sounds super entitled to say "Oh, I only have $500 left over. I'm so poor" because there are people who will be much worse off than you if you have that much left over every month. But it basically comes back around to. I am pulling in a good income. One that matches and puts me firmly into what everybody considers the Middle Class. But yet, if I only have $500 leftover. How am I ever supposed to get out of the renters trap? How am I ever supposed to get a downpayment on a house? Start up a proper emergency fund? Investments? Retirement? Anything?

I truly feel bad for the people worse off than I am. Because I know I have it good, and people who make less than I do are suffering. I struggle to be able to stay afloat financially without needing to rely on Roommates and other tricks like Renting a room in a house with Common Areas. I can't imagine how people with kids or other dependents are able to do it.

I honestly feel like these struggles are just writing on the wall. Telling us that everything is going to go top up. There is a large Cost of Living bubble which is growing and growing and is going to violently erupt within the next decade unless something is done. Things are stretched to their limits and they can't continue for much longer. Something is going to give. And it is going to be ugly when it does.
 

Kernel

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There is a large Cost of Living bubble which is growing and growing and is going to violently erupt within the next decade unless something is done. Things are stretched to their limits and they can't continue for much longer. Something is going to give. And it is going to be ugly when it does.

Yeah we will elect a conservative government because it's clearly immigrants that are raising the cost of living and taking all our jobs.

Meanwhile the capitalists get richer.
 

NetMapel

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It sucks. I'm looking for apartments now because of life smacking me across the face at every opportunity this past month. But the math basically comes down to:

Gross Income: 57k. Turns into 43k after tax. Which turns into anywhere from $3000-$3500/mo depending on benefit costs. 1 Bedroom or Studio apartments in pretty much most cities will cost you 1000-1500/mo + Utilities which can add another $300 after Water* (Often included in rent), Hydro, Heating and Internet. Leaving you anywhere from 1700-2200. Next add Food (Expensive because you are in the city), Renters Insurance (requirement), Auto Insurance + Gas ($300-400) if you have a Car, or a Bus Pass ($120), Cellphone ($100), Student Loans ($300), Credit Cards (The statistics say people are drowning in CC Debt). Plus a whole bunch of other little things I'm missing. And you are basically scraping the bottom of the barrel with only like $500 remaining. And this isn't even including miscellaneous "fun" money because you need money leftover after survival needs to do fun things because if you don't you are going to be stressed and develop mental disorders and put yourself onto a path of having a mental breakdown.

Which don't get me wrong. It sounds super entitled to say "Oh, I only have $500 left over. I'm so poor" because there are people who will be much worse off than you if you have that much left over every month. But it basically comes back around to. I am pulling in a good income. One that matches and puts me firmly into what everybody considers the Middle Class. But yet, if I only have $500 leftover. How am I ever supposed to get out of the renters trap? How am I ever supposed to get a downpayment on a house? Start up a proper emergency fund? Investments? Retirement? Anything?

I truly feel bad for the people worse off than I am. Because I know I have it good, and people who make less than I do are suffering. I struggle to be able to stay afloat financially without needing to rely on Roommates and other tricks like Renting a room in a house with Common Areas. I can't imagine how people with kids or other dependents are able to do it.

I honestly feel like these struggles are just writing on the wall. Telling us that everything is going to go top up. There is a large Cost of Living bubble which is growing and growing and is going to violently erupt within the next decade unless something is done. Things are stretched to their limits and they can't continue for much longer. Something is going to give. And it is going to be ugly when it does.
It sounds like you're in Vancouver or Toronto, eh? That wage feels quite low for a software engineer though. Have you been with the same company for a while and didn't move around to get a proper pay raise? With that wage, it's definitely difficult to live like a proper middle class individual in one of those two big cities.

Also... fellow Canadians, time to start paying attention:
 

killerrin

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It sounds like you're in Vancouver or Toronto, eh? That wage feels quite low for a software engineer though. Have you been with the same company for a while and didn't move around to get a proper pay raise? With that wage, it's definitely difficult to live like a proper middle class individual in one of those two big cities.

I'm in Ottawa, which granted. Much lower cost of living than in Toronto or Vancouver, and I always have the option of trying my luck on the Quebec side of the border for cheaper rent and housing. But yeah. It's why I'm able to almost-kinda-maybe afford stepping up one more step. Compared to in Toronto where I would have resigned myself long-ago to needing to live with roommates.

Also to be fair to my salary. I'm a recent graduate and was brought in at the place I internshipped at just recently. I'm just planning on staying a year at my current place before I begin searching so that I don't burn any bridges (because they tend to be critical in this industry). Also granted. I hate to call myself a "recent graduate" because of how long I have been coding even before I started school. That said, going off the stats, I just barely beat out the average salary for a Junior Programmer.

So yeah. I'm not in the worst shape. It's just right now at this point in time, things are hard. It'll get better as I follow my job trajectory, it's just that because of circumstances happening right now. Everything's coming up and I'm forced to make plans that while good in the short term, are just frustrating when I look medium-long term. It's just one of those cases where you are so close, you can just see it. But it is also just beyond your grasp. So the fact that you can't make that last mile is frustrating.
 
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Prax

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My mind is blown knowing rent prices for one bedrooms are regularly in the 1300-1800 range now in Toronto. Well, there's probably going to be some market crash or recession in the year so it's going to be a wild time.
 

djkimothy

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Yeah 60k in a major city definitely isn't going to cut it if you want to own your own place. Just saving money at that point can involve roommates, and a mortgage definitely requires a partner. The single income household days for average people are long gone.

LOL. there's always marriage of convenience or whatever it's called.

FWIW, i seem to be in the minority here as i own a house here in Ottawa on a single income. I'm forced to live out in the burbs but I was able to save enough to own. It helps that i work in government i suppose but some of my programming friends were able to make more than me quicker. But they the whole own a house to rent to others scheme.
 
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