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China’s new ‘social credit system’ is a dystopian nightmare
- Thread starter Ryder9
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How does the future look for inhabitants of a nation that employs this practice? Everyone other than the rich and powerful get totally screwed over 'forever'?
Interesting seeing China's real attitude to the west starting to leak out more and more in the media, I've heard from Europeans who have gone over there to work about the attitude of 'Westeners just aren't smart enough to understand' but the external attitude has always been that of deference and politeness.
"Nono, you guys don't understand, life is fine in China when you follow the rules, don't make a fuss and turn a blind eye to the oppression of the minorities here and the occasional government kidnapping of political dissidents.
A pretty decent country I'd say!"
A pretty decent country I'd say!"
A very big /s referencing some posters who've wanted to defend that place. I'll never travel there as long as cunthead Xi or the CCP rules.
We've had this thread like 5 times at least. And in reality, in practice, at least how it currently exists, it's not at all like what you read about. Not defending the ccp or saying that it's a good thing or anything of the sort. But it's mostly just a sensational story for the west at this point. The future probably it will be different aka worse. Also not saying it's not worth discussing, just saying it's been discussed countless times on here and mostly it devolves to "fuck china" posts instead of actual discussion about anything of value.
It largely doesn't effect anyone as it currently stands. So people don't care. Or they think it's good because they are good decent people, so why should they care?
Edit: like for instance the "deadbeat map" thing in the op, I don't know anyone who has ever used that or would even care or know about its existence.
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Which war? China already showed what they do with their own citizens who are not happy with their policies. And as long China only applies this abhorrent stuff to their own people (and some minorities seemingly nobody with something to say cares about), there won't be a war I think.
I visited China in 2015 and loved it but I'm not sure it's wise for me to visit anymore, considering I'm gay and I use social media.
This shit is scary.
And the attitude that Westerners are too dumb to understand their system doesn't surprise me. When my classmates and I were struggling to breathe in Beijing the doctors said it was our "weak American lungs" lmao
This shit is scary.
And the attitude that Westerners are too dumb to understand their system doesn't surprise me. When my classmates and I were struggling to breathe in Beijing the doctors said it was our "weak American lungs" lmao
Not really how it works. As always, people are free to be opposed to the government here. They just can't really organize a protest. But people talk shit all the time. I was just at a farm in yunnan yesterday and there was a group of people openly complaining about the government and about Xi Jinping. They said since he visited their town everything got worse because he said they need to tear down a bunch of old buildings (their homes) and can't live near the lake anymore and blah blah blah. They had a boatload of complaints and we were all chatting about it. Even if a local government person was there they probably wouldn't have had any problem talking about this, though it's unlikely they would have complained about Xi specifically imo.
You can say fuck the Chinese government all you want. I agree. But I personally think saying fuck the country as a whole (you know the people, places, food, culture, etc) has little value and is at best just stupid and at worse xenophobic. But you do you.
What a worthless post. You didn't explain how the article is sensationalized or offer any specific critique, you just whined about meta bullshit.
People who become civil "information collectors" (thought police) and people unjustly being docked points for shit out of their control is not what I would call "doesn't affect anyone".
That's two examples out a fucking billion citizens, and with the Chinese government such secretive cunts who knows what the actual numbers are, they certainly wont tell anyone.
And I think it goes without saying that most people here are against the government, the country as it's run, when they say "China", no the Chinese people. So if you're defending the people that's fine but you often also try to defend the bullshit like this because "it doesn't affect anyone" (anyone important that is), I bet my fucking ass that a lot more people are affected negatively than you hear about.
Are you serious here? What nonsense is this? "They just can't really organize a protest here", are you so deluded that you think that in any way a rebuts the post you're replying to??? Woa
Also, what's considered a "protest" is whatever the party decides now isn't it? Show me people talking about Tienanmen square in the open.
That's all cool, but "They just can't really organize a protest" pretty much destroys everything you said, because that's the whole point.
They can "talk" but talking won't change shit, while the government keeps on rushing their dystopian Black Mirror bullshit.
I don't think I whined. It's sensationalized because as I said, as it is currently instituted, it largely doesn't actually affect anyone. I'm sure it will in the future, because I don't trust the ccp to do "the right thing" on almost any topic. And I did give a specific thing. I can ask my friends if they know anything about the deadbeat map and I guarantee they'll see no. So while it probably exists, it's not really a thing that most people are gonna be concerned about. Should they be? Yea of course they should. In reality, in their daily life, they don't care about the social credit system and they don't think about it.
I was replying to a post that said anyone who opposed the government is sent to a re education camp. If you think that's the case... um sorry you are mentally deficient.
People in China are very similar to people in every other country. Most people are opposed to their government in some way.
You guys either lack reading comprehension or willfully ignore what I said to suit your own preconceived notions or agenda. I didn't say the Chinese government is good, and I didn't say I think it's a good thing that people aren't allowed to organize a protest. I think it's shitty. If you guys don't want to discuss the actual reality of the situation though then I'll just dip out of the conversation because there is no point. It's just like how every thread says Winnie the Pooh is banned in china when in reality it's much more nuanced than that. But blanket statements and generalizations are easier.
Edit: Also I forgot to mention they don't talk about Tiananmen Square protests because they don't know about it for the most part. But those that do "openly" defy the government every june 4 on social media by coming up with clever ways to get around the ban.
Sorry I can't see it because whatever site you are using is blocked in china.
This isn't exactly new is it?
Are we in the business of drumming up anti china rhetoric right now?
Are we in the business of drumming up anti china rhetoric right now?
Like I said I never defended the ccp. They are shit. But I'd personally rather deal with the facts of their shittiness than just believing whatever I hear or want to think.
They're busy defending poor innocent Huawei at the moment, but don't worry they'll show up soon enough. But yeah, fuck the Chinese government.
If you're saying that opposition doesn't include protesting then you're not discussing in good faith. What nonsense.
Talk about projection, holy shit. Bring the nuance then if you want, but you're pretending as if you're being nuanced when in reality you're countering and denying totally valid statements. Your initial reply was straight up false, or you just have a gross misunderstanding of what opposition entails. How could you think that opposition doesn't include protest??? Activism in any form is opposition.
People are getting on your about the fact you claim you can oppose the government, but aren't allowed to protest. Most people don't think private denunciations without the ability to publicly gather and air them really count as the ability to show opposition (myself included).
the appearance and implementation of an Orwellian system designed to penetrate private life and achieve absolute control might be worth a few comments and criticisms.
I said you can't organize a protest though. I'm not sure what you are saying.
I guess I think there is a distinction between being against something aka opposing, and organizing a protest. One you can do, the other will get you in a great deal of trouble. I never once said I think it's ok or defended it. I always say that I also detest the Chinese government and much of their policies. They are shitty as hell. But at least imo, exaggerating their shit isn't very helpful to meaningful understanding.
It was worth a few comments and criticisms, last year. We have already been through this. So why now? Nothing new has developed in this department.
What has coincidentally happened though is a trade war has begun with China and the US.
On point. Expecting the China apologists to show up at some point.