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Ceerious

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September 27th this year,Chinese government publish a document called "National Program of Action for Child Development in China (2020-2030)". This is an important document that reveals the China children education policy in the next decade.

10 years ago, a similar document was published: "National Program of Action for Child Development in China (2010-2020)". There was an important paragraph in it:

"尊重和保障少数民族儿童使用本民族语言接受教育的权利,重视加强学前双语教育。"

Translation: "Respect and protect the right of ethnic minority children to receive education in their own language, and pay attention to strengthening preschool bilingual education."

But in this year's "National Program of Action for Child Development in China (2020-2030)", the paragraph above is removed. Now it only says:

"提高民族地区教育质量和水平,加大国家通用语言文字推广力度。"

Translation: "Improve the quality and level of education in ethnic minority areas and strengthen the promotion of the national common language."

Needless to say, "national common language" is mandarin. No mentions of ethnic minority's own language can be found in this year's version.

This seems like a simple text modification, but the implication is clear. Who knows how many people's lives will be affected. Most posters here are familiar with Uygur situation, but China has 56 officially certified ethnic minorities. In terms of population, Uygur is the fourth biggest. Some of you should have already heard that China has begun to drive Mongolia language out of the education system.

I have yet to found good enough English news coverage about this subject, but for anyone knows Chinese, or has Chinese language-capable friends, you can read these websites to verify it:

National Program of Action for Child Development in China (2010-2020)
http://www.scio.gov.cn/ztk/xwfb/46/11/Document/976030/976030_2.htm

National Program of Action for Child Development in China (2020-2030)
https://m.thepaper.cn/baijiahao_14681199

report from HK media:
 
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Mivey

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How do you say "ethnic cleansing" in Mandarin? Guess that will be the first things kids of ethnic minorities will have to learn.
 

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Seems very similar to how the British stomped Gaelic out of use in Scotland. You don't ban the use just remove the enforcement of teaching it in school. In 10-20 years communities that primarily spoke the non majority language. Will be speaking the main language of the intended government primarily. While their previous language shrinks in usage rapidly.
 

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The CCP has been doing this Tibet and other regions too. They want to destroy their ability to pass on their culture to next generation.
 
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GYODX

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Every bit of news coming out of China seems to be bad news nowadays. What a disgusting government.
 

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Seems very similar to how the British stomped Gaelic out of use in Scotland. You don't ban the use just remove the enforcement of teaching it in school. In 10-20 years communities that primarily spoke the non majority language. Will be speaking the main language of the intended government primarily. While their previous language shrinks in usage rapidly.
This happened in NZ as well with the Maori and they're now making a valient effort to revive/revitalise it. Let's hope the same will be possible here in later, better days.
 

Humidex

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Not surprised at this at all. Homogeniety is the name of the game with this government.
 

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Seems very similar to how the British stomped Gaelic out of use in Scotland. You don't ban the use just remove the enforcement of teaching it in school. In 10-20 years communities that primarily spoke the non majority language. Will be speaking the main language of the intended government primarily. While their previous language shrinks in usage rapidly.

And similar to how the U.S. and Canada waged a campaign to erase indigenous language and culture from Native American children.
 

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This happened in NZ as well with the Maori and they're now making a valient effort to revive/revitalise it. Let's hope the same will be possible here in later, better days.
Yea I read about that awhile ago. Really hoping the revival is a success and hopefully we can read the same story for minorities in China in the future.

And similar to how the U.S. and Canada waged a campaign to erase indigenous language and culture from Native American children.
Don't even get me started on the many acts of cultural genocide the U.S. and Canada did to their indigenous people. So many languages, art, and traditions died because the people in charge didn't like that it looked and sounded different. And what kills me is how effective it is. It only takes one generation for things to start collapsing. The second you have a generation of kids that think it's easier to communicate in English/Mandarin the job is done.
 

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The CCP is taking a page out of the playbook of every horrible government ever, colonization, genocide, concentration camps, slavery, destroying indigenous and minority languages and cultures, oppression, racism, forced assimilation, human rights abuses and nationalism.
 

Akira86

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So basically the pendulum is swinging back far as hell and taking most of China with it.

A swing is always expected, but what international waves affected it, and multiplied its effect?
 

Mezentine

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Honestly surprised its taking this long for the world to wake up to the fact that the CCP is a Han nationalism project at this point
 
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The CCP continue to be the most pathetically fragile government on this planet.

Fuck the CCP and fuck their supporters - particularly the ones who like to spend their time brigading and gaslighting forums such as Resetera.
 
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The CCP is taking a page out of the playbook of every horrible government ever, colonization, genocide, concentration camps, slavery, destroying indigenous and minority languages and cultures, oppression, racism, forced assimilation, human rights abuses and nationalism.
"But West bad!" - some tankie, probably.
 

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So basically the pendulum is swinging back far as hell and taking most of China with it.

A swing is always expected, but what international waves affected it, and multiplied its effect?
I think there are a few things that made a perfect storm for this in China. The most important one is that Xi was able to set himself up as a dictator; alot of this is due to the power consolidation he was able to achieve through his "corruption" purges that occurred. Xi believes in han supremecy and a very nationalistic state so it's not surprising he is taking it down that route. I think alot of the rhetoric in the Trump era allowed him to also double down and stir up nationalism as it made it an effective us v them scenario. Lastly. China's ascendancy in economic and political might has allowed Xi to drop the mask so to speak because they know they have
leverage as a global economic power. As a military power, they are making significant strides and once they feel they have enough parity with the US, they will leverage this on Taiwan to make their unification complete.

On the other side, Western decline has been occurring, this can be seen by the amount of unrest that has occurred due to Syrian refugees causing a European backlash that culminated in brevity. Coupled with the division and failures in the US recently is causing the western hegemony to start having fractures and decline. Trumpism exacerbated this and hastened the decline quite a bit and puts the US in the position it is now: crazy right wing fascists having significant power. This of course was caused by a very charismatic narcissist rising to power at just the right time as there was some pushback in a culture war and significant meddling by Russia to fan these flames (something that has been in putins playbook since the beginning as a stated goal).

So, basically it is that the west is divided as hell right now and is failing politically at the same time there is a true and major contender to breaknits hegemony internationally. China sees that this division has occurred and has consolidated its power internally and is taking advantage of the west's weakness right now to force itself to be considered a major power, with the goals of being the major hegemon in Asia if not beyond. As the west continues to be a mess internationally, China will step in to many of the vacuums the west leaves behind, which will lead to a more totalitarian tilt to the world going forward.
 

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The CCP is taking a page out of the playbook of every horrible government ever, colonization, genocide, concentration camps, slavery, destroying indigenous and minority languages and cultures, oppression, racism, forced assimilation, human rights abuses and nationalism.
But hey they're selectively taxing some billionaires not fully onboard with Xi
 
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I was just going to say that they're literally taking the playbook from the British colonies.

I mean, when your national policy is "Erase the language and culture of X" there is no better playbook to use than the British Playbook. Britian and her Colonies pioneered that shit, turned it into an outright science and cast that net far and wide to dismantle large swaths of historical cultures and languages. Targetting the children is not only highly effective and cheap to imploy, but it works.

And if you are the CCP, any policy you can adopt that lets you throw the west's own messy history back against it is a good policy because any attempt at pointing it out on the part of the west can be used to embarrass the countries doing the finger pointing.
 
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I bet you'll start to see "This is China speak Chinese" stickers in the windows of shops owned by assholes.
 

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The online left's response to this has been pretty fucking awful. You either have folks showing their asses or just sitting out entirely.
The online left is a mostly western and white group that lack perspective on what really goes on in other countries. They see any criticism of vaguely socialist/communist countries as western imperialism. I've basically written off online left politics as ineffectual.
 

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Someone should maybe try and stop China from turning the world into 1984.

Germany is obviously too busy "building bridges" with CCP and Russia... and USA is too dysfunctional.

WE NEED A HERO!!!!
 

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The online left's response to this has been pretty fucking awful. You either have folks showing their asses or just sitting out entirely.

There are some old western communist who have similar weird Stockholm Syndrome about Russia, Soviet Union is gone but they still feel they need to stand by Putin to own the West I suppose.
 

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It is a fundamental human right for children to have access to free education in the language they speak at home and in their community.
 

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GYODX

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The online left's response to this has been pretty fucking awful. You either have folks showing their asses or just sitting out entirely.
There is currently a thread on the front page of /r/socialism where the top post is someone saying "China is a beacon of hope for our global movement. Their policies are necessary given their material and historical conditions." 🤢
 
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It's like watching a car accident happen in slow-motion, but being unable to do anything about it.

I have seen people say something similar here.
Some have definitely said they prefer a world lead by China than the USA.

They should definitely be careful that they understand all of the aspects and consequences of what they're wishing for.
 

Aaronrules380

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Someone should maybe try and stop China from turning the world into 1984.

Germany is obviously too busy "building bridges" with CCP and Russia... and USA is too dysfunctional.

WE NEED A HERO!!!!
These types of issues are never really going to be solved by outside nations for a number of reasons and frankly holding onto the notion that they might really only empowers countries to do incredibly shitty things under the pretense of aid or justice (See: at least 80% of the US's foreign policy since the end of WW2). Obviously this makes it hard because Dictators inherently try to shut down and stamp out avenues for revolution and change within their own countries, but in general these measures are never 100% effective and eventually the shoe will drop in some way.

The only realistic way an outside country would get heavily involved in completely reforming another country's politics is pretty much the aftermath of a war if they completely destroy the old regime, and in those cases there are probably more bad outcomes than good for the defeated country (Granted good outcomes aren't 100% unheard of, Japan post WW2 comes to mind, but they're very much the exception, not the rule). Not to mention this path would literally require a war with China that would inevitably become WW3 to have that kind of ending and you'd better pray no nukes would be dropped in said conflict too
 
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Does this affect Cantonese and other dialects? Or is it only applied in "ethnic minority" regions (like Xinjiang) ?

Other dialects are also affected, but it's not necessarily related to this specific policy change. China has always encouraged the use of only mandarin in school system. There were reports about some schools in Guangdong(Cantonese speaking regions) forbade students from speaking Cantonese as early as from 2007, and in recent years the situation has been worsen.

Years ago, you can speak dialects in schools as long as you are not in the midst of a class. But these days, for a lot of primary and middle schools, you are not allow to speak dialects as long as you have entered the school gate.
 

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That happened in Taiwan too, when the KMT came over, and only allowed Mandarin Chinese until the 1980, and now Taiwanese(Minan), Hakka, and other are now taught and spoken, and only in 2017 recognize the aboriginal language as a official language of Taiwan too.

 

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Other dialects are also affected, but it's not necessarily related to this specific policy change. China has always encouraged the use of only mandarin in school system. There were reports about some schools in Guangdong(Cantonese speaking regions) forbade students from speaking Cantonese as early as from 2007, and in recent years the situation has been worsen.

Years ago, you can speak dialects in schools as long as you are not in the midst of a class. But these days, for a lot of primary and middle schools, you are not allow to speak dialects as long as you have entered the school gate.

West coast USA gonna end up being the last stronghold of Cantonese, then, I guess.

Edit: or Macau haha
 

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Disgusting. In the occupied 6 Irish counties they won't allow the Irish language to be taught.

m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk

DUP won't sign off on Irish language act: No bilingual road signs, compulsory teaching or job quotas, says Arlene Foster

Democratic Unionist leader Arlene Foster has rubbished speculation about the shape of Irish language laws that might emerge from Stormont’s powersharing negotiations.
You aren't from Northern Ireland are you? Irish is taught in many schools in Northern Ireland, there's Irish only schools, it's just not compulsory, nor would a significant amount of the population want it to be compulsory either as they wouldn't see it as their heritage background. And Westminster is putting in a language act for both Irish and Ulster Scots.

I'm honestly not sure why you decided to put this in a thread about the CCP but you are flat out wrong.

Back to the point, after what's happening to the Uighur, this just seems another sign that the CCP will be escalating to other ethnic groups as well. And I'm honestly not sure what the best way to stop them would be
 

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Who put it there in the first place?
The right of ethnic minorities to develop and use their own language is in the Chinese Constitution. It has been in the Chinese Constitution since 1954, under Mao. It was not a paper right either, with the government since the Mao era establishing schools in minority languages and even developing writing systems for ethnic minorities that lacked them.

The shift to cultural assimilation started in the 2010s, based on papers such as this the Second Generation Ethnic Policy: https://www.sinoss.net/uploadfile/2011/1229/20111229100022433.pdf The basic motivation is that strategic planners in China concluded that foreign enemies are trying to use ethnicity as a wedge issue to divide China into a series of ethnostates. Therefore, China must unite everyone under a single ethnic identity.

Does this affect Cantonese and other dialects? Or is it only applied in "ethnic minority" regions (like Xinjiang) ?
It differs by region. The national policy is to instruct only in Mandarin, and formal education has been Mandarin only for pretty much the last half a century at least. My school only used Mandarin, and students only spoke to each other in Mandarin. Children generally picked up the dialect by speaking on the streets and at home. But in the last 5 years or so, some regions are looking at the idea of teaching in dialects, with an experimental school in Hangzhou established this year.

Actually, under the current policy such as in Inner Mongolia, ethnic language speakers get more dual-track education than Han dialect speakers. If you take a look at the policy closely, the old policy in Inner Mongolia was to give all instructions in Mongolian, teaching Mandarin as a second language only. The new policy is to use Mandarin to teach literature, civics, and history; and Mongolian for everything else. Nothing of the sort is done for Han dialects.
 
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Vector

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why are companies and other states cutting China so much slack? it seems like a country where the government can change anything on a whim, leading to little long-term stability.
 
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