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Gentlemen

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Oct 25, 2017
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So yes, I do believe Jeff Bezos has political agendas that are reactionary in nature, and it would be surprising if WaPo wasn't influenced by that.
It took me thirty seconds to find four stories that covered Amazon's influence in Seattle in critical detail

Amazon in Seattle: Economic godsend or self-centered behemoth?

Why the Seattle 'head tax' is relevant to the nation

After Amazon opposition, Seattle passes compromise tax to fund homeless services

Seattle council votes to repeal tax to help homeless amid opposition from Amazon, other businesses
 

datbapple

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Nov 19, 2017
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hes not wrong and it aint bitch made to call the news media over it. some of yall act like he stole your girl/boyfriend.
 

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:puts on tinfoil hat:

the wealthy and powerful will use their wealth and power to proliferate their wealth and power

:takes off tinfoil hat:
 

Inuhanyou

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Claims? I mean the corporate media is obviously biased to narratives they specifically want to pursue regardless of the actual fact. That is no a conspiratorial affair, that's just something tracked by independent organizations...and it happens almost constantly whether your talking about Fox, CNN, MSNBC or the dying print media institutions.

In Sanders specific case, its not all that hard to argue considering over 2 million individual donations from across the country, eclipsing pretty much every other candidate, being consistently ranked as number 2 behind the VP, and only of the only candidates consistently tracked to beat Trump in the most states show him to be a heavy weight with a lot of clout and staying power. Despite this...the framing of the ideas he offers is just constantly attacked on a daily basis despite no other candidate, even Biden as the frontrunner having a percentage of the same scrutiny placed on them(despite having infinitely more problems).

The "electebility" narrative parroted by those who have no evidence of such a thing is just like 2016 attempting to create a presumtive nominee . Its even worse when you consider exactly who these media companies are getting to parrot this narrative...a vast majority are unsurprisingly part of the system Sanders wants to change, who just happen to get tons of airtime to voice their opinions.(why does NYT have former blackrock lobbyists who also have intimate dealings with Bain capital on the payroll to write stories and not actually have to disclose such a thing?)

The fact of the matter is, these huge corporate institutions we call the media are not objective by the very nature of how they are run and who owns them. Its not Trump like to say that. Its just the case.

You can have an hour of substantive conversation calling out the powers that be, and then have the media focus on the last 30 seconds of said conversation where a joke about Aliens is thrown around to make someone sound crazy, there's nothing else to call that but a false narrative decided on by someone. Because they are threatened by themselves as an institution being called into question in certain cases.

Trump uses the term 'fake news' media because they criticize him specifically. And of course, that is silly. But that does not mean they are not without fault or impervious to any sort of criticism when it comes to responsive politics.

And now they are going to clutch their pearls because they constantly attack someone who they see as an existential threat and he calls out them and their owner? Pretty silly.

Just the fact that the narrative tack that they are using is to equate Sanders criticism of media conglomerates being owned by ultra wealthy billionaires who then have other billionaires and people of influence writing the stories and contributing to the narrative, to Trump blindly lashing out kind of proves his point. CNN did the same thing during the debates..."you want to stop war, trump said he wants to stop war during the 2016 primaries..so stopping war is bad, why are you with trump Bernie?"
 
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gcubed

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Oct 25, 2017
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I thought this was a bump on the old thread but it's yet another woe is Bernie thread.

Phew, must be really hard to be a rich persecuted white man
 

Ortix

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Oct 27, 2017
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Campaign not going as hoped, so there's the boogeyman again. I'm not a fan of those lazy Trump comparisons (and don't think they're alike at all), but one flaw they do share is that they're both incapable of taking any responsibility. Always need someone to point at.
 
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Gobias-Ind

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I thought this was a bump on the old thread but it's yet another woe is Bernie thread.

Phew, must be really hard to be a rich persecuted white man

Ahhhh, look the media's bullshit in action.

Old money trees bernie, the hypocritical old interloping socialist!

Definitely necessary to reduce his identity to "old white man" though. If you take the reality that he's a Polish Jew whose extended family was slaughtered in the Holocaust then your willfully reductive nonsense takes on a whole new dynamic, doesn't it?
 

Nocturnal

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I made the point in the other thread regarding this subject, there is actual research behind the 2015 election.
Also Clinton's campaign pushed fringe Republican candidates like Trump, Carson and Cruz thinking it would bring them an easy win.


Between January and November, according to his data, Trump's campaign was covered for 234 minutes on the three newscasts.
Sanders getting 10 minutes of coverage on the ABC, CBS and NBC evening news.
source

On September 22, Daniel Drezner, a professor of international politics at Tufts University and Washington Post contributor, discussed whether or not the media has played a role in Trump's high poll numbers. He wrote, "No doubt, the attention paid to Trump has been an easy way for him to get his message across. But also no doubt, Trump's ascent in the polls makes him a very newsworthy story."[36] In order to understand whether the media contributed to Trump's success, Drezner suggested comparing Trump's media coverage to Bernie Sanders' coverage because, according to Drezner, they "occupy similar positions in each party's race." He wrote that because Sanders is not generating as much media coverage as Trump, the media may be complicit in "creating [the] Trump phenomenon." However, he then wrote that the public is more interested in Trump, according to Google Trends, which supports the idea that the American public is interested in Trump and wants to read about him.
source


April 2015 Hillary Campaign Memo:
Operationalizing the Strategy Pied Piper Candidates

There are two ways to approach the strategies mentioned above. The first is to use the field as a whole to inflict damage on itself similar to what happened to Mitt Romney in 2012. The variety of candidates is a positive here, and many of the lesser known can serve as a cudgel to move the more established candidates further to the right. In this scenario, we don't want to marginalize the more extreme candidates, but make them more "Pied Piper" candidates who actually represent the mainstream of the Republican Party. Pied Piper candidates include, but aren't limited to:

• Ted Cruz
• Donald Trump
• Ben Carson

We need to be elevating the Pied Piper candidates so that they are leaders of the pack and tell the press to them seriously.
source

A study by the Harvard Kennedy School Shorenstein Center on Media, Politics and Public Policy found that during the year 2015, major news outlets covered Trump "in a way that was unusual given his low initial polling numbers -- a high volume of media coverage preceded Trump's rise in the polls."
In fairness, some were worried that the strategy would backfire. "Right now I am petrified that Hillary is almost totally dependent on Republicans nominating Trump," Brent Budowsky emailed John Podesta. Most, however, liked the plan. Another agenda item involved how to prevent candidate Jeb Bush "from bettering himself/how do we maximize Trump and others?" Neera Tanden emailed Podesta: "Bush sucked. I'm glad Hillary is obsessed with the one candidate who would be easiest to beat. ... Besides Trump, of course." Of course!
source
 

gcubed

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Oct 25, 2017
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the erasure of bernie's jewish identity and upbringing is a common tactic to undercut his message and it ain't slick either
What's his message? <Insert media name> is being mean to me?

I think his campaign advisors are doing a good enough job undercutting his message.

But it's Bernie, we can't say anything bad about him or we hate Jewish people.
 

CopperPuppy

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Oct 25, 2017
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Just because Trump criticizes the media doesn't mean it's "Trumpian" to criticize the media. Context matters, and criticism is part and parcel of accountability. Many of these publications fueled Trump's rise by covering each and every one of his bowel movements while riding his sensationalism to record profit. Then when the rubber hit the road, they failed to hold him accountable.
 
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effzee

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BUT THERE MIGHT BE REASON TO BELIEVE HE DID SOMETHING!

Some of you are going to great lengths to lecture how papers and news media is controlled by the very few and very powerful. No shit no one denied this. So bringing up infographics doesn't get to the matter of Bernie and his team accusing WaPo of being biased against him because Jeff Bezos ordered them to do so.
 

Spock

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There are definitely corporate entities, and wealthy individuals, who would traditionally be labeled Democrats who fear Sanders more than any other candidate. Yes Warren has similar takes, etc. but to me and prolly many others it's pretty clear that Sanders is different. You can see, hear and feel it.

The guy knows he's old, if he gets the chance, before he leaves this Earth, he wants to rock the fucking boat and rock it hard. Warren seems like good people but gives off the vibe based on verbals and non verbals that she's more flexible. Bernie on the other hand conveys he's a stubborn hard nosed dude and you can feel he's not as open to playing ball using the rules that benefit the few.

Bernie also will have no qualms being blunt/rude if needed and will use any tactic within the law to move his agenda forward. That last bit I think leaves those who "may" end up caught in the crossfire uncomfortable with that level of uncertainty.

I think they feel with the other candidates they can prolly dodge a few bullets. With Bernie, they ALL getting hit and they know it, lol.
 

Gentlemen

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yes, exactly. Bezos is willing to use his resources to undermine social reforms. This seems to demonstrate my point?
The other part of your sentence was "I would be surprised if this two-day old conspiracy theory about Bezos behind behind negative press burped out by Sanders wasn't true."
Surprise! Washington Post doesn't have Bezos's hand up its ass.
 

Gobias-Ind

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Liberals going back in time to early 20th century Germany to kill a prominent historical figure

Rosa Luxemburg lmao
 

Exellus

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Oct 30, 2017
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Looks like a psychology play. Anecdotally it appears that more and more people are becoming distrustful of the media as a whole. Obviously this is more common to those who we lean to the right, however I am noticing the sentiment has slowly but surely been gaining some traction and credibility on the left as well.

MAYBE......just.....MAYBE, CNN is actually shit?
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Just because Trump criticizes the media doesn't mean it's "Trumpian" to criticize the media. Context matters, and criticism is part and parcel of accountability. Many of these publications fueled Trump's rise by covering each and every one of his bowel movements while riding his sensationalism to record profit. Then when the rubber hit the road, they failed to hold him accountable.
When did criticising the media become Trump-like to people here anyway? I think most of us has had beef with the media for years before that orange cunt was in the picture.
I know I did and still do, for its dehumanisation of minorities and war drumming antics the past few decades(yes, that includes the so called 'left-wing' news networks).
Fuck the media.
 

Gobias-Ind

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But it's Bernie, we can't say anything bad about him or we hate Jewish people.

Man this is some pathetic, sniveling nonsense coming from the dude who brought "rich old white man" to the conversation.

Your tropes are what they are. It's not anyone else's fault that you can't stand by your own convictions!
 

Deleted member 2145

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You brought 'whiteness' into the equation in the first place, though?

even sarcastically brought up him being persecuted as a rich white male implying that the notion of a jewish person being persecuted is absurd because he also happens to be white and a recent millionaire. shit, going further that post even brushes shoulders with the notion that a jewish person with money is suspect

pretty fucked up stuff!
 

Lentic

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Oct 27, 2017
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According to some people in this thread, the people who criticize the media for helping Trump win are.... *checks notes*... whiners?
 

CopperPuppy

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Oct 25, 2017
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When did criticising the media become Trump-like to people here anyway? I think most of us has had beef with the media for years before that orange cunt was in the picture.
I know I did and still do, for its dehumanisation of minorities and war drumming antics the past few decades(yes, that includes the so called 'left-wing' news networks).
Fuck the media.
Yep
 

Bronx-Man

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Oct 25, 2017
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alright

well let's start here, I'm assuming there's no issue with the word "media" (I hope, anyway) so the problem word for you must be "corporate" so let's take it one step at a time. we'll start by defining "corporate"

cor·po·rate
/ˈkôrp(ə)rət/

adjective
1. relating to a corporation, especially a large company or group.
"airlines are very keen on their corporate identity"

so now that we've set a foundation let's try combining the words and trying to suss out what their meaning together could possibly mean. so we've established that "corporate" is relating to a corporation, especially a large company or group. seems like the combined definition of those words would have something to do with large companies or groups being affiliated with or even outright owning a large portion of the media. since we're sussing out that meaning by using the definition of the word "corporate" paired with media we'd have to check on the validity of such a claim because just throwing around phrases like that can be dangerous. so let's do some minimal digging.

what's this?


right off the bat you've got sourced claims that in 1983 90% of the media was controlled by 50 companies but by 2012 90% of the media was controlled by just 6 companies

clicking through to the source of that claim gets us to this page


which has a helpful info-graphic about what we're talking about

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so it does seem like when we defined the problem word "corporate" for you paired with the word "media" we did indeed land on the correct definition of the phrase "corporate media" and now you should have a better understanding of what that means and why it might be seen as problematic especially for those who are concerned about the staggering amount of inequality in regards to power and wealth the few have over the many, which the corporate media is emblematic of and is an active participant in proliferating

hope that helps and as always bring that knowledge forward with you on your endeavors
Where'd he go? This was a great post to read
 

mugurumakensei

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Don't trust corporate media. Only twitter, Reddit, and FaceBook offers lEgItImAtE nEwS.