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Geoff

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
7,115
Chat about football or cricket in the workplace should be curtailed, a management body has warned.

Ann Francke, head of the Chartered Management Institute, said sports chat can exclude women and lead to more laddish behaviour.

"A lot of women, in particular, feel left out," she told the BBC's Today programme.

"They don't follow those sports and they don't like either being forced to talk about them or not being included."

"I have nothing against sports enthusiasts or cricket fans - that's great," she said.

"But the issue is many people aren't cricket fans," she added, arguing bosses should crack down on sports banter.


Good luck with that Anne.
 

Pankratous

Member
Oct 26, 2017
9,273
Alternatively, as a society we include women more in sports.

Edit: Also, as a man, I also do not give a shit about sports. But I don't think people should crack down on talking about it around me.

Edit 2: I do wish the News would stop talking about it though, barring dedicated sports news channels. It's an absolutely massive pain to have a 10 minute sports segment on a breakfast news show. For what is ultimately a hobby.
 

Kirblar

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
30,744
Man, missing the forest for the trees here.

I'm sure the guys are totally able to keep up with chat about Grey's Anatomy on average, right?
 
Dec 31, 2017
7,103
Eehhh how do you crack down on it? Issue a memo? Seems like it would just lead to more resentment in the workplace.
 

StraySheep

Member
Oct 26, 2017
8,297
At some point that is part of life. People talk about what they want to talk about. Not everyone will like the same thing.
 

Inugami

Member
Oct 25, 2017
14,995
Not sure about most other countries, but the US has a pretty high female-to-male sports fan ratio, at least from personal experience. I'm however, not a sports-ball fan, but I don't like talking with co-workers so it doesn't bother me much.
 

TheGhost

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
28,137
Long Island
A woman runs our football pool and gambling operation at work. Did I mention I'm one of only 3 guys in the western side of our office building. In a office made up of about 95% women sports is talked about alot....as well as other things. None of that bothers me.

I can't relate to this at all. Most of them know more about football than I do.

Edit - in America we know Jack shit about cricket and thats ok
 

Yams

Member
Oct 25, 2017
10,854
Idk if it's California or what but most women I have ever worked with watch baseball and basketball religiously
 

Cocolina

Member
Oct 28, 2017
7,992
most people dare not talk about cricket openly anyway, it's like a dirty secret shared between weirdos
 

WolfForager

Member
Oct 27, 2017
248
So by extension, conversations should only be based on what the majority of which either gender have in common? That's a very small list.
 

yurr

Alt-Account
Banned
Nov 20, 2019
946
Alternatively, as a society we include women more in sports.

Edit: Also, as a man, I also do not give a shit about sports. But I don't think people should crack down on talking about it around me.

Edit 2: I do wish the News would stop talking about it though, barring dedicated sports news channels. It's an absolutely massive pain to have a 10 minute sports segment on a breakfast news show. For what is ultimately a hobby.
Some people like to get all the news they consider relevant in one place.
 

Fatmanp

Member
Oct 27, 2017
4,438
No less than ten minutes ago I sat in my office talking about football for a good ten minutes with my colleague. My colleague was asking me if I had seen some of the results over the weekend in the FA Cup and in particular the Napoli-Juventus game. I old my colleague no. I am quite a hardcore football fan as I hold a Season Ticket at Chelsea and it felt nice to have somebody fill me in on the events of the weekend. My colleagues name is Clare and she is a season ticket holder at Crystal Palace along with her two daughters.

Anne......go away.
 

krang

Alt Account
Banned
Oct 27, 2017
219
Because women don't like sport? There's discrimination going on, here, but not from where you think, Ann.
 

TSM

Member
Oct 27, 2017
5,823
Is there something that prevents women from watching or following sports, or any area of interest really, if they want to partake in conversation with their coworkers? This basically breaks down to "I don't have any interest in something, so no one should talk about it around me."
 
Dec 31, 2017
1,729
Correction. Many people don't even know how the hell cricket works
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Deleted member 28564

User-requested account closure
Banned
Oct 31, 2017
3,604
Please treat adults like adults. You don't have to babysit anyone.
Correction. Many people don't even know how the hell cricket works
I thought the issue was that people don't want to watch cricket? Funny story, some cricket association (where I'm from) fully admitted that cricket was boring, when they asked marketers for help.
 

Sean

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,591
Longview
This is pretty ridiculous. The only reason I know anything at all about sports is because my Ex wouldn't shut up about them. 5 years with a Browns fan, guys. 5 years.
 

Sunster

The Fallen
Oct 5, 2018
10,025
Worth mentioning this is clearly a clickbait article and not something women actually asked for
 

Psychonaut

Member
Jan 11, 2018
3,207
Weird, the article is somehow more sexist than the thing it criticizes... It operates under the assumption that women don't watch sports, which...? Huh? Whereas exclusion via sports-talk is circumstantial and self-selective.

I also don't participate in conversation I don't give a shit about.
 

VentusGallius

Member
Oct 25, 2017
295
I remember one job interview at an aerospace company where the interviewer specifically said he was looking for someone to talk sports with and the last guy wasn't a good fit because they were too focused on work.

I just sorta nodded my way though the interview. This was for white glove tech support...

People can be strange about their hobbies.
 
Jul 19, 2018
1,203
Please treat adults like adults. You don't have to babysit anyone.

I thought the issue was that people don't want to watch cricket? Funny story, some cricket association (where I'm from) fully admitted that cricket was boring, when they asked marketers for help.

This is true. Only 2.6 billion people watched the world cup last year, a feeble one third of the global population. Surprised they bothered putting it on telly really
 
Oct 26, 2017
3,896
I'm pretty sure it's just Ann who is feeling left out.

Probably has more to do with her personality, if this article is anything to go by.
 

HazySaiyan

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,338
West Yorkshire, UK
Ahh right I forgot that women don't watch sports /s

What a sexist assumption to make, a good chunk of the chat in my office is Fantasy Football and that definitely includes the women.
 

skeezx

Member
Oct 27, 2017
20,191
I remember one job interview at an aerospace company where the interviewer specifically said he was looking for someone to talk sports with and the last guy wasn't a good fit because they were too focused on work.

I just sorta nodded my way though the interview. This was for white glove tech support...

People can be strange about their hobbies.

sadly pretty common. worked with a lot of engineers with whom if you weren't a good ol' boy they'll see to it you have a foot out the door, regardless of work quality
 

Izzard

Banned
Sep 21, 2018
4,606
Sorry employee number 2396, you've reached your daily quota of chat on this specific monitored subject. Please chose another.
 

Siggy-P

Avenger
Mar 18, 2018
11,865
Woman at work' "Did you see Liverpool's 2 to-"

Me: "I'm gonna have to stop you right there!"
 

Sho_Nuff82

Member
Nov 14, 2017
18,451
My coworkers talk about sports, the bachelor/ette, the streaming show of the month, their kids, their yards, and once in a while work.

You cannot regulate pop culture discourse outside of the framework of HR harassment guidelines (ie, don't loudly discuss porn with your coworkers, and don't harass people over politics), especially during designated free time like a lunch break.
 

LossAversion

The Merchant of ERA
Member
Oct 28, 2017
10,722
I probably don't have much interest in most topics that my coworkers talk about. Maybe everyone should just stop talking? That would solve everything!
 

T-800

Member
Oct 30, 2017
1,138
What was Wenger thinking, sending Walcott on that early? Thing about Arsenal, they always try and walk it in.
 

MrCheezball

Banned
Aug 3, 2018
1,376
By assuming that women arent involved in sports talks, this article is therein more sexist than actual reality. Women are easily just as into sports as men are in every environment I have worked.
 

Stop It

Bad Cat
Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,352
Swing and a miss.

We need more talk of the likes of Sharrock, the Women's Premier League, and breaking through male dominated sports like Motorsport via bringing women into the conversation, and the sports, rather than the opposite. We should be celebrating people like Chadwick and encouraging others to take inspiration and talk about it.

That's before established stars like the Williams sisters etc. Should we not talk of them either.

Banning talking about sport won't bring equality in sport any time soon.
 

f0rk

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,697
I think focusing on sport as a topic, or even specifically gender divides, is too narrow and missing the point. There is definitely something to be said about how social conversation topics in the workplace can leave people out in a way that impacts careers unfairly. Like how many years ago you could be at a disadvantage for not smoking because it can get you face time with senior colleagues.