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Nov 1, 2017
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I was diagnosed with PTSD nearly a year ago while I was still in the military. Since then I've been medically retired for other injuries I sustained during combat. Since then I've been struggling to deal with the transition to civilian life and dealing with epilepsy (a side affect of the injuries}.

After getting out, I no longer had an excuse for not dealing with the emotional trauma that I've gone through the last 17 and a half years and it felt like issues were just starting to unpack themselves, so I went to the VA and started seeing someone for my PTSD. I've had 5 close friends or other Soldiers I knew from some of those deployments kill themselves in the last 4 months and that has been weighing on me heavily.

I have mostly written out one incident that has plagued me for years but before I posted it, I wanted to ask how people would feel about me doing that. If the response is that people will become upset by it then I won't do it. I just wanted to get some feedback before I pull the trigger, so to speak.

Thank you.

I have contacted a mod and asked for any assistance to ensure compliance.

That said, there are issues that may be sensitive to readers. Please do not scroll down any further unless you are willing to read about traumatic issues.

Thank you for your time.

TRIGGER WARNING FOR WRITTEN/VISUAL CONTENT BELOW
 
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Figgles

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Oct 30, 2017
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If it helps you, I would say go for it. Put it in spoiler tags, and put a warning. It's up to them whether they read it after that.
 

Kmonk

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Maybe just ask a mod to put a sensitive content warning in the thread title, and it wouldn't hurt to put a large warning at the top of your post as well. The topic seems totally valid.
 

johan

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Oct 29, 2017
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Hi OP, I also have PTSD, although not from combat – but I too have ignored it for many years. For me it helped (and still does) to verbalize my trauma(s) to people. Catharsis and all that.
 

Pirate Bae

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Just got back from a deployment to Afghanistan. I wasn't in combat, but I've been struggling to adjust back to being home and all the comforts here. Some things still freak me out.

Hit me up if you need to talk, my PM box is open.
 
Oct 27, 2017
129
You should do it if you think it will help.

Also, look into this: https://maps.org/research/mdma

MDMA is being used in clinical trials to treat PTSD and the results are incredible. MAPS is working to get FDA approval to make MDMA-assisted psychotherapy a legal prescription treatment by 2021. Big advancements are in motion, just hang on.
 

papermoon

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Oct 27, 2017
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I would read it with a lot of interest and an open mind. Hopefully, by unboxing it here, it would help you.

One big concern: if you do post about the incident, there may be feedback/replies that could be hurtful or unhelpful - even if it's unintentional. If that happened, would you be ok? Make sure you keep protecting and nurturing yourself first.
 
OP
OP
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Nov 1, 2017
194
I sent off a message to a moderator.

I have no issues with any reply or feedback. I'm nearly done typing it out and I and waiting on the reply to ensuring it all within compliance.
 

Galkinator

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Oct 27, 2017
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As others have said, put it in some spoilers or put a content warning beforehand. People here will choose for themselves to read it or not.

If you feel this can make it easier on you, even a little bit, it's worth it. I hope life outside the military will be comfortable & alleviating for you, and that the VA assists you as much as possible, and sorry to hear about your friends.
 

BLEEN

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Oct 27, 2017
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You should do it if you think it will help.

Also, look into this: https://maps.org/research/mdma

MDMA is being used in clinical trials to treat PTSD and the results are incredible. MAPS is working to get FDA approval to make MDMA-assisted psychotherapy a legal prescription treatment by 2021. Big advancements are in motion, just hang on.
People so need this. Ketamine as well I've heard great things about. Hell, even Shrooms.

Worst comes to worst? Not too hard to find pure MDMA on the 'net or even locally. ...not that I'm advocating that in the slightest...more just stating facts hypothetically. :)
 

aSniperJones

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Oct 26, 2017
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I was officially diagnosed with PTSD last year from my military experience, but before being diagnosed I talked about my incidents and it helped, but only temporarily, thus the reason I went to the VA for help. I've seen a therapist, but now I'm pending classes [after multiple cancellation] that will help with PTSD. In the mean time, I've been using CBD Oil and I honestly think it's working, I'm in a better place. Prior to CBD I would smoke cannabis and notice some of my symptoms from PTSD would subside, but I don't like smoking and I don't want the feels. My brother recommended CBD Oil and I think it's a good fit.

With that said, I'm open to hear what you have to say.
 
OP
OP
The Antagonist
Nov 1, 2017
194
I was in Iraq for my third tour, my second as a 68W Healthcare Specialist or better known as a combat medic (US Army). This was 2007-2009, during 'The Surge' as President George Bush pushed tens of thousands of additional troops in Iraq.

My primary job as one of the senior Sergeants (E5) in the section was to supervise each shift in the aid station, ensuring proper handoffs for patients and any other duties as well as to perform as the 'head man' if we had a casualty on the table. Additionally, we didn't have a mortuary affairs team so myself and one other Soldier that I picked were given the duties to handle all of the paperwork as well as properly packaging the bodies for their return to Stateside.

Because my job was so erratic, I normally spent whatever free time I had asleep because you never knew when the radio would inform us of casualties, requiring the entire aid station crew to report and prepare for incoming wounded, or worse, if we received the call notifying us of deceased personnel, in that event only the aid station NCOIC (Noncomissioned Officer in Charge) Staff Sergeant (SSG) [Davis], myself, my assistant and whichever physician was on duty had to be awake.

The morning of 28 April, 2008 was pretty normal. We received a call that a vehicle (m1151 hmmwv) an up-armored humvee had been struck by by an IED (Improvised Explosive Device) and caused a vehicle kill and had injured all three personnel inside.

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We had four main trauma beds/tables with two additional ones for less injured casualties if needed. These beds were rarely used because we simply didn't have enough personnel to man them adequately. After every group of casualties that came in we rotated beds, #1 being the most severely injured and #4 being the least injured. #1 would rotate to #4 and so on. This was done to ensure that no one group was constantly given terribly injured personnel.

Photos of our aid station
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After the call, each team reported to the aid station and did another check of equipment. My team was on Table 3 and didn't have much to do as the report said it was two severely injured and one with minor injuries.

Tables 1 and 2 stayed inside by the beds while the NCOs from 3 (myself) and 4 (a different NCO) went to the Motorpool to collect mechanics to act as litter bearers and then we waited in the triage area for the casualties to come in.

It took over 30 minutes for the tell-tale sound of a humvee screaming down the road of our FOB (Forward Operating Base) towards our aid station. The second they arrived in front of our building the doors flew open and panicked Soldiers started yelling for medics.

One of our jobs is to remain as cool and calm as possible and to ask them to step aside while we brought the casualties into the aid station. The NCO from Table 4 linked up with the medic that had just come in with the casualties to receive a report while I directed personnel to grab the casualties and which beds to send them too.

The most severely injured casualty was unconscious and appeared to have a partially compromised airway due to his gasping. A piece of shrapnel had hit him under his jaw and possibly broken it, but worse it seemed to tear some of the skin as the site and 'rolled' it up his face leaving a ball of skin over his left eye, exposing most of the muscles of his face and his right eye appeared to be damaged if not completely useless.

The second worst was conscious but wasn't completely coherent and also sustained a couple of broken limbs. Lastly, the gunner was shaken up and took some shrapnel along the right side of his body but was otherwise perfectly fine.

The casualties themselves weren't very noteworthy and treating them was easy. The only memorable part of the incident was while they were treating the casualty on Table 1 (shrapnel to the face) they had started wrapping his face in gauze. When they covered his left eye he left out this croaking moan of a voice and asked why he couldn't see anymore.

The sound of his voice combined with the fact that we all thought he was unconscious caused everyone and everything to stop for a moment. But we quickly went back to work and packaged all of the casualties for transport to a higher echelon of care.

When we neared finishing SSG [Davis] called in a MEDEVAC, and so we escorted the casualties in our ambulance to the HLZ (Helicopter Landing Zone) and after the bird landed we did a simple handoff and that was that.

Dropping off casualties, I'm on the left
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After returning to the aid station we washed up and helped everyone else restock the aid station and prep for any future casualties. After the excitement had died down and everything had been checked off as good to go, I went back to my room to relax and unwind. Even though they weren't difficult to handle and no one had died, there is still a huge adrenaline rush that comes with each and every patient/casualty.

My room was a little larger than a standard prison cell everything made it of wood. The make shift bunk beds, the lockers and the walls. Everything had been built up to create rooms in what was otherwise a normal, if overly large, hallway. I sat down in my chair and played Final Fantasy 9 for an hour or so on my hacked PSP. I couldn't tell you what point in the game I was at but I can recall everything else in vivid detail.

But before I go any further, some minor exposition to explain some things. A month or so prior a contracted company took over security of the outer perimeter of the FOB it seemed to be American ran but the Soldiers that replaced us on the towers were Ugandan and were not trained well enough or taught the possible signs of an imminent attack which proved to be disastrous.

As I said, I was playing PSP when I heard a loud boom in the distance. Having heard similar sounds many, many times before I assumed it was an IED.

I should have gotten up and immediately went to the aid station but instead I was listening for the sounds of someone yelling for the medics to report while I continued to play, really I was just looking for a save point. After so many casualties and so many attacks you just become numb to it.

Then I heard another loud boom and my first thought was 'Man, someone is getting f*cked up out there!' I put my PSP down and started walking out of my room when everything turned black as the power went out, the air filled with dust and I was thrown to the ground. Something had just hit the building or very, very near by.

I crawled to the door and opened it. Looking down the hall I saw many other heads popping out of their rooms. I yelled out to ask if everyone was okay and some yelled back saying they were fine. The door directly across from my room opened and a young woman stumbled out, rubbing here eyes and sleepily asking 'What's going on?' I started yelling at her to 'GET THE F*CK DOWN!' Her eyes snapped open, she looked up and down the hall and immediately through herself to the ground.

I waited another second before I jumped to my feet and ran down the hall. Directly across from our aid station was the MWR (Morale, Welfare, and Recreation) because we lived in a large building we were an ideal spot to put the MWR, a place for Soldiers to go on their downtime to watch films, play board games, socialize, and we had just gotten a pool table. I could hear a woman screaming, so I ran into the room and saw her curled into a ball, screaming her head off. The room was still dusty from so much debris falling from the ceilings. I crawled on my hands and knees under the table and asked if she was okay but she kept on crying and grabbed my hand. I made eye contact with another Soldier in the MWR and told him to bring her to the aid station if she was hurt.

I got out from under the table and ran back into the hall. The first thing I saw was another NCO, Sergeant (SGT) [Michael] rushing in through the side doors and immediately throwing them shut just as another rocket landed blowing the doors back open. We both ran into the aid station, stripping off our jackets and put gloves on as we started getting everything organized. The team that was already on shift had started standing everything up and SSG [Davis] was on the radio receiving reports. From what I could hear, a large semi-truck had pulled up outside of the FOB and the driver had gotten out. After that 10 to 11 IRAMs (Improved Rockets and Mortars] started firing from the back of it. While we were working he was yelling out to everyone what was going on so we had an idea of what to expect.

I should have been on Table 2 but in the chaos I found myself on Table 1, probably because we were just trying to get makeshift teams together while everyone came in. The first casualty to come through the door was carried in by a team of Soldiers and one of them shouted that he wasn't able to feel his legs. Immediately following him was another Soldiers carried on a litter.

This patient had obvious and severe 3rd degree burns of his face and arms. In the brief moments I saw him you could see his lips had been burned away and it looked like a grotesque smile.

Back to my patient, I was at the head of the table as one of the more experienced and senior medics. My job, if necessary was to establish an airway and to look down the length of the casualty and watch everything and keep everyone on track so they don't get tunnel vision. The casualty was able to breath and was talking to us. When the rockets started to land, he jumped back into his truck and was thrown around on the inside when one started landing near him.

Focusing on my casualty, it took my several minutes to hear, '[Ryan! RYAN!] Get the morgue ready!' That's when I looked over to Table 2 and saw blood pouring from under the casualty, the floor covered with bloody boot prints. I told the PA at my table that I was leaving and because it was an easy patient, there was no issue.

I walked out of the aid station to see people lining the walls of the hallway and some Soldiers I recognized as other medics and some from Combat Life Savers (Soldiers taught basic medical skills) were treating less injured casualties. Mostly superficial burns and scrapes from people running away and tripping. But some were seriously injured patients that were waiting for beds to open up. One of the rockets had hit a connex (a large metal container) that had a lot of ammunition in it, the result was that some of the rounds ended up firing through the connex and striking Soldiers creating even more casualties even after the rockets had stopped landing.

I walked into the supply room and then to our "morgue" which was little more than a stone closet with an air conditioner in it. When I walked in I saw that there was already another deceased Soldier on a little, with a t-shirt covering his face that was already soaked with blood. On the floor and to the right was a little on the ground that looked like it was covered with bloody towels.

I turned on the AC unit and went back to the aid station. SSG [Davis] told me to take care of the KIAs and that even though they were extremely busy, it looked like no one else was dead or dying. After he gave me the instructions to keep working I went out to the motorpool to see if I could get anyone to help carry the deceased casualties in and out of my morgue while I did the paperwork and prep.

The next several hours were spent occasionally running supplies to the aid station, finishing up paperwork for the physicians to sign off. I don't know how much time had passed before one of the First Sergeants from another unit came into the aid station and loudly exclaimed that he needed 'Every single medic to come with him'. When asked if there were more casualties he said no but he just needed everyone. That was quickly shot down because regardless of what he wanted, we were more important in the aid station. Though the NCOIC did concede and sent a few guys to help him with whatever was going on

Almost another two hours later, one of the other medical Sergeants came in with another Soldier that I didn't know, each carrying a large black trash bag. He set them down next to me and said 'His face is in here, somewhere. I don't know which bag. I can't deal with this right now.' and they both left. I didn't understand what he was saying so I took off my gloves and walked into the aid station and pulled aside SSG [Davis] and asked him what was going on. He told me 'it's the remains of the third KIA' I asked him what he meant because there were only two. Immediately his face went taught with anger, which in hindsight, I understand because he had a million other things going on but he told me to follow him into the morgue.

After walking in he pointed to the pile of towels and said 'There!' Still not understanding what he meant, he told me to remove the towels from the litter and it was then I discovered that the entire time there was the other half of a Soldier. His head, chest, left arm, left leg up to mid thigh, right leg from knee down, and left arm from elbow down were all gone. Ripped away.

I later learned that the attack had been so devastating because one unit was leaving the FOB as another was entering. They had planned and time the attack so that it would get as many people as possible. It's only by a fluke that we had three dead though we had many, many more wounded. The rockets that fired from the truck had propane tanks strapped to the fins of the rockets with chains. Meaning when they were launched they weren't able to properly fly and so they just tumbled through the air, haphazardly until they hit the ground and burst into flames.

The Soldiers whose body I was looking at, was one of those people in the yard waiting to leave the gate for a mission. He and another Soldiers crawled under a truck as they were landing. The person he was with crawled out and ran into a building after one landed and he had stayed. After another rocket landed near that vehicle, it blew him out from under it and another landed nearly on top of him spreading his remains all over the yard. It took almost 40 people a few hours to gather him in his entirety.

I grabbed a new pair of gloves and two more biohazard bags and started removing pieces one at a time examining each to see if there was a tattoo, a marking, or scar to identify him by. After each incident like an attack every must immediately do a face to face, accountability to ensure everyone is present. Including the two dead, only one person was missing and I was currently going through what we presumed to be his organs, skin, and bones.

Eventually, I found what appeared to be a tattoo. It was partially charred but when I pulled the skin taught, it mostly matched up with a portion of the remains of his torso's left side. I finished examining everything else and went and told the NCOIC. Roughly 30 minutes later, my NCOIC came into the supply room/morgue area with a First Sergeant, another senior NCO, and a young Soldier and they asked me to show the young Soldier what I had found. The assumption being that he, as the presumed dead's roommate would know what his tattoo's looked like.

I took the piece of skin and after stretching it out so the tattoo was most visible I showed it to him, he burst into tears. I put it into a biobag and they left. Afterwards I continued on with the paperwork and preparing the bodies for a Hero Flight. This is where everyone available honors and salute's the bodies of the dead as they are carried or driven to the flightline to be placed onto a bird to start their journey back to the U.S.

Throughout all of this I had to stop and take several breaks to go smoke and calm myself down. But I did my best not to display any outward signs of distress because I didn't want my Soldiers to think I was bothered by it. I didn't want to appear weak or pathetic. So I just bottled it up and waited until I was alone and I could just sit there and quietly break down without anyone seeing me.

When everything was said and done, I went back to my room cleaned the dust off of my bed and tried to sleep, but I wasn't able to. I just laid there for hours until I heard the familiar sounds of someone running down the hall in flip-flops, banging on doors and yelling for medics. I got up and went to the aid station to wait for another casualty.

Video of the attack
 

Pirate Bae

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I am so sorry, man. I just read your story and I can't even begin to imagine what that was like. Thank you for sharing.

My job entails supporting infantry / ground operations. We often protect Medivacs transporting wounded and KIA to a secure location. I always hope that they make it out okay, but I know sometimes things just don't work out like that. Hearing your story really resonated with me because I can understand the other side of it.

I think it's great that you've been talking to someone. I'll keep you in my thoughts and I'll be here if you want to talk about it.
 

Makoto Yuki

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Oct 25, 2017
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First of all, thank you for your service, second, thank you for sharing this. It's not an easy thing to share.

A close friend's father finally went to the VA for his PTSD and he is slowly but surely becoming better. It wasn't easy for him, but his daughter (my former Seargent) and his grandson are glad he is finally receiving help.

No shame in seeking help when you need it. It's not a sign of weakness.

As a service member in the 68 series myself I can't help but feel for you friend. It's not easy being in the military considering our MOS is focused on helping treat others. We see shit nobody should, but it's part of the job. It's even more difficult when you're in a deployment setting.

A close friends of mine was attacked and lost his friends in the middle east, and one of my Staff Sergeants is diagnosed with PTSD. Another friend, a SGT I met while on a 24 hour shift, was a purple heart recipient and you would have never guessed how much combat experience he had considering how humble he was. All braver men than most. How they shoulder it I don't know. If there is one thing I see them do to keep strong it's be around positive people. Be it their wives, or family.

Stay strong, we are here for you. If you need anything from one medical professional to another please message me. I don't know what I can do for you, but if you just want to talk or vent, feel free to contact me.
 

AYF 001

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Oct 28, 2017
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Thank you for sharing your experience. I don't think there's much I could say to help, but I do hope that you don't hesitate to get any help that will aid you in recovery.
 

Rover

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Oct 25, 2017
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Well, I read it. It was painful, powerful writing- your expression of it really comes across.

I don't have anything really relevant to add to it, but thank you for expressing it. It's not upsetting. Please do take up anybody's offer to talk about it, if they can relate in any way. If expressing these things is helping you, do it.

Also, it might be hard to fathom positives from what you experienced, but recounting the story (even if it's not a fit for every setting), IS something important, if not invaluable.
 

papermoon

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Oct 27, 2017
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After reading, I don't have the words to properly express how stunned and sad I feel that you went through that. But I wanted to let you know I read it. You've been asked to give so much. And you've given so much: way more than is fair.
 

Stone Cold

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Oct 27, 2017
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Wow, that is a powerful experience and it takes a lot of courage to endure such an event like you did. I'm sorry you had to experience that nonetheless. Really hope that the therapy/counseling makes it easier for you to cope with everything.
 
OP
OP
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Nov 1, 2017
194
Thank you for then responses so far.

This incident is one of five that have really affected me over the years.

The first time I killed someone (before I was a medic I was an 11B, Infantryman like the person in the video someone else posted).

The first time I was ambushed and not subsequently lost two close friends.

My first casualty as a medic, who was also my very best friend.

The MASCAL I just posted about.

And lastly the worst scene I had to clean up and package the bodies.

I've told about them in the past and I've only written about one other of these incidents before.

I'm willing to write more but I wants to make sure that no one is affected negatively because of what's I went through. If that was every the case I'd delete it and only speak to my psych team.
 

Stone Cold

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Oct 27, 2017
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Thank you for then responses so far.

This incident is one of five that have really affected me over the years.

The first time I killed someone (before I was a medic I was an 11B, Infantryman like the person in the video someone else posted).

The first time I was ambushed and not subsequently lost two close friends.

My first casualty as a medic, who was also my very best friend.

The MASCAL I just posted about.

And lastly the worst scene I had to clean up and package the bodies.

I've told about them in the past and I've only written about one other of these incidents before.

I'm willing to write more but I wants to make sure that no one is affected negatively because of what's I went through. If that was every the case I'd delete it and only speak to my psych team.
I think you should share whatever you feel like sharing. If people can't handle reading about such things while also enjoying the fruits of such tragedies than they can simply ignore the thread altogether. I think we as everyday citizens are far too removed from the real hard truths of war, and not nearly enough support is given to the soldiers once they're asked to retire their uniform. Seriously, so sorry for all that you've gone through. Know that therapy can help, give it time.
 

papermoon

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Oct 27, 2017
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I think you should share whatever you feel like sharing. If people can't handle reading about such things while also enjoying the fruits of such tragedies than they can simply ignore the thread altogether. I think we as everyday citizens are far too removed from the real hard truths of war, and not nearly enough support is given to the soldiers once they're asked to retire their uniform. Seriously, so sorry for all that you've gone through. Know that therapy can help, give it time.

I enthusiastically agree.
 
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OP, I sincerely hope you seek out and receive the help you need. I hope posting about your experience here is helping the healing process and working through your feelings and experiences.
 

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Agree with all the sentiments. You're not glorifying anything, you're reaching out and talking about the reality that you've been through. I can understand that, and I'm more than willing to listen. So go ahead, share with us everything you feel like. Are you getting therapy yet?
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I read every word you typed with heartfelt sadness but with appreciation for what military personnel must endure. I hope you get better.

Currently, there is an FDA approved clinical trial to test the efficacy of MDMA in treating PTSD. It's shown great promise. Based on the NIH website on clinical trials, they are recruiting patients for a phase III study. It might be worthwhile looking into.

The link is below:

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT03537014

If you're hesitant to click on a random link, goto www.ClinicalTrials.gov and look for a study with an identifier NCT03537014.

Goodluck on your recovery.

Edit:

Should've looked more carefully at earlier responses as others posters covered my sentiment. I would however discourage against shrooms (microdosing or otherwise) or other controlled substances as you do not know how these will affect you. MDMA is specifically being tested for PTSD. It will be a much safer and controlled environment and has the potential to transform into standard therapy to help others.
 
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I always feel bad reading through these stories because I have no idea what to say to them. I want to offer condolences but it feels like it's meaningless and I wish I could say something more impactful or actually helps you. I know some veterans are fine with civilians saying "thank you for your service", while others like to hear "I'll remember". I guess I'll just say I will never be able to understand what you've been through but I truly appreciate everything you've done and sacrificed, for what it's worth you have all the respect I can give. If there's anything a random dude on the internet can do to help you please feel free to reach out.
 

Kyuuji

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Write what you need to write OP and thank you for sharing. I can't imagine carrying such a weight, if it helps to write it out then keep going. Appreciate the insight as horrific as it is, wish I could do more to help you.

Truly, if there's anything you need to help unwind/release but can't afford or justify - let me know. I don't mean to assume any position on your behalf, just know life can be tough enough for veterans without having to worry about everything else. PM anytime, even if just to share.
 

mckinleytl

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I only had 1 deployment, it was to RC East Afghanistan, some of the things I did/saw bothered me for a while, but I have since talked about them with people and am a lot better for it. Though I do still have days where everything hits me all at once I kinda go off rails for a while, and I do still deal with anxiety and insomnia. The main thing is to not be afraid to talk about it with someone.
 

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Ah, an 11b and a 68W.

I know how you feel going through two deployments in Iraq myself as a greenside corpsman attached to 2nd Marine Div.

I went through a lot of tough times after I got out including multiple suicide attempts feeling isolated from the world. I sought treatment through the VA and went through Prolonged Exposure treatment for PTSD as a combat veteran.

Probably the hardest thing I've ever done besides going through graduate school.
 

Kurdel

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Thank you for sharing this. I can't imagine what living through that must be like, but I am glad you are taking steps to come to terms with it in a heatlhy way. Mental health is so weird, and our psyche takes incredible steps to plunge us into denial as long as it can.

I wish you nothing but the best on you journey to come <3
 
OP
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Nov 1, 2017
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Thank you all. I'm going to be posting another story tomorrow. I posted it once before on NeoGAF but I'm going to edit it and add to it.

See you all tomorrow.
 

DoubleD

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Reading your post, man, really made me feel like I need to give you a hug. If posting here helps you heal, post it up. I'll support you.
 

Mathieran

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Thanks for sharing Antagonist. I don't really have anything to add that hasn't already been said. Glad you made it out alive and I hope therapy helps.
 

Ceileachair

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The reality of PTSD for combat veterans is that it never goes away.... ever. But there are ways to cope. The VA is a great start, they have a lot of support channels at your disposal, a lot of cities in the US also have a lot of support groups that are not affiliated with the VA.

Cause let's be honest with ourselves OP, we've taken the lives of other humans. The VA is all about opening up and discussing the atrocities of combat and everyone in the room is in the same situation you are in but the feeling of disparity and hopelessness it never goes away because at some point through out the day your going to be reminded of a certain event that you experienced in combat.

How many times do I need to tell the psychiatrist that when I close my eyes I see the face of the little girl hacked up inside of Mickey Mouse suitcase in Tal Afar in October of 2005 before it goes away. It never will..
 

Tugatrix

The Fallen
Oct 26, 2017
3,263
I'm here if you need OP I'm a psychologist, If I understood correctly you're already in theraphy follow the help of my collegues they really can help in this, identifying triggers for PTSD and help you find strategies to deal with it.

Throughout all of this I had to stop and take several breaks to go smoke and calm myself down. But I did my best not to display any outward signs of distress because I didn't want my Soldiers to think I was bothered by it. I didn't want to appear weak or pathetic. So I just bottled it up and waited until I was alone and I could just sit there and quietly break down without anyone seeing me.

And that's the thing OP, everything in the military screams to you, to not show any emotion, to suppress it. But that's the thing that is wrong, the feeling of scare and the idea that your life is in peril even if you only saw others get hit, is on it self very destructive for the psyche, more so when you're in a situation where you can't seek emotional comfort and feel safe again with others. And over the years you kept investing on ignoring and suppressing the feelings when you got your PTSD triggered, but you don't have to do that or should. Keep your therapy and with time you'll feel better.

As I said I'm here if you need me
 
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The Antagonist
Nov 1, 2017
194
In late January of 2004 I had just gotten married and I reclassed, meaning that I had changed my job in the Army from one to another. Prior to 2004 I was an Infantryman and I was about to complete four months of Healthcare Specialist (Combat Medic) training. After I completed the school I was reassigned duty stations and I was sent to Fort Polk, Louisiana. Not long after I arrived I was sent to an NCO leadership course called PLDC (Primary Leadership Development Course). Our roommates all chosen alphabetically and I ended up with a guy by the name of [Jay] S. He and I immediately hit it off. We clicked like we'd known each other our entire lives. I found out that he was also newlywed and unbeknownst to either one of us (zero contact outside of school) our wives had somehow met each other and they quickly became friends. Over the years he and his wife had a child and named my wife and I the God Parents.


We spent most holidays together. Off duty we'd hang out at each other's houses and during the days our wives would shop and just enjoy each other's company. When it was just he and I hanging out we would often make "black humor" jokes.We would constantly make jokes about how if the other died that he would 'take care of his wife' or 'I can't wait to spend your SGLI money'. (SGLI is life insurance in the Army with a 400K payout) We were inseparable. For the first time in a long time, I felt like I had made a friend.

He and I also had a bit of a professional rivalry going. We were both trying to make the rank of Sergeant first or out-do each other at shooting competitions, physical fitness, even drinking a bottle of water could quickly become something to lord over the other in eternal glory. But at the beginning, middle, and end of every day we had each other's back. We had both already deployed once between in different units, but this was going to be the first time we'd deployed with this one.

In early 2007 he and I deployed together to Iraq. I was his platoon's medic. My job was simple, if something happened, shoot back and treat casualties. Our Platoon's primary mission was convoy security, that is we were charged with the safety of all vehicles and supplies as they were transported from Point A to Point B. Some of the vehicles were other Soldiers from other units, civilian contractors, and local nationals. Our Platoon was scattered throughout the convoy to provide security at any point. I was in the Platoon Sergeant's truck, the rear most vehicle in the convoy. [Jay] was in charge of the very front most vehicle, several miles ahead of the convoy along with another vehicle. Their job was to very carefully and slowly drive to see if they could spot any IEDs, roadside bombs, mines, etc. We traveled manly at night and so it was an extremely dangerous job.

But anyone in the military can probably tell you, regardless of how dangerous your job is, as some point, it just becomes mundane and boring. Especially for my truck in the very back. So conversation took the usual turn; 'what are you going to eat when you get back, if you could have sex with anyone who would it be, would you rather do this/or that, the choices usually both being disgusting'. We were in the middle of one such conversation when we all heard a tremendously loud BOOM! everyone went dead silent and it felt like forever before the radio started screaming and the Platoon Sergeant started receiving reports.

The very first truck, [Jay]'s truck had just been hit with a 5-array EFP (Explosively Formed Penetrator/Projectile). The wiki article describes it as "quite lethal" which is an understatement. You have a slug of copper being fired at unbelievable speeds and as soon as it penetrates the armor of a truck, it just starts to shred. Breaking into hundreds of tiny peices that are each just as devastating as you can be peppered with them. Our vehicle immediately broke ranks and sped down the road to the front of the convoy, partially on the shoulder and partially on the road. Not only was this my first deployment as a medic, this was my first 'incident' as a medic.

The vehicle behind [Jay]'s truck pulled forward of their vehicle, and we pulled up to the side as another truck had already pulled up to the other side, creating a box-like formation around it so that we can "safely" extract and treat any wounded. Smoke from the explosion the damaged vehicle was already billowing up, obscuring most of my vision but I could see other Soldiers pulling the wounded out of the vehicle. The Driver had been pulled out, and I briefly saw that his entire lower jaw was torn away, likely struck by a fragment of one of the slugs. He was still conscious, they had him leaning forward with a large gauze pad pressed against his mouth to prevent too much blood from pouring into his airway. The Gunner has his right army ripped off, nearly at the shoulder. I saw other Soldiers putting a tourniquet on him. Fortunately, I was one of two medics in the convoy and the other was already present and had started treating but my mind wasn't even on them. It was on [Jay].

A slug from the EFP had struck the portion of the door, closest to the frame of the vehicle . It was so hot that as it passed through it virtually welded the door to the frame. With [Jay] still trapped inside and the smoke still billowing, myself and another NCO desperately pulled upwards on the handle trying to get him out and trying to rip a several hundred pound door off by nothing more than sheer force and willpower.

When I looked through the balistic glass, 6"(?) thick glass designed to take multiple bullets, I saw [Jay] partially slumped to the side but he was still moving. His lap was full of blood and he seemed lethargic and didn't respond to me screaming his name. Another Soldier tried to get to him through the Driver's side but the size of our kit (armor) and the size of the radio and mount it was impossible. We didn't know it at the time and we were later told that the insurgents most likely put some type of accelerant in or on the EFP that caused it to quickly catch fire even if it hand't been for the unbelievable damage already done to the vehicle.

By now the back seat had started to spring into a small, but growing fire. The automated fire extinguisher system had either been damaged or rendered inoperable due to the EFP. Myself and the other NCO kept trying to open the door, ineffectively using the butts of our rifles just hoping for some type of miracle that we could open the truck. The small fire quickly got out of control and either the smoke or the heat of the flames revived him to a semi-conscious state.

Waking up to the fire, the pain, or the sheer terror of the situation made him hysterical. Every movement seeming to cause more blood to pour out of him. I kept staring at him and screaming his name. He started screaming and screaming. Louder than anything I'd ever heard a person make before. He was thrashing around like an animal in a trap. He wasn't looking at me or looking at anything. He just kept screaming. Soldiers kept trying to get into the other side, but the fire prevented them from going any further even if they didn't have on their gear and the absolute lack of room inside those trucks.

He started moving slower and slower and became quieter and quieter. Eventually just slumping forward and he stopped moving all together. In my mind I knew he was dead, but I couldn't accept it at the time, and it's still hard to accept now. My hands ached and my gloves started to smolder as I kept trying, fruitlessly, to open the door from the handle. We still kept trying until we heard BANG!-DUNK! sounds. Once, twice. It was then that another NCO realized that the sounds were the extra .50Cal ammunition stored in the back seat was starting to fire off.

One of the other Soldiers kept yelling for me to get back and to 'leave him' but I couldn't. I had to stay even if it meant dying. By this time the flames had engulfed his body and the rounds started firing off more rapidly. Someone tried to grab my arm but I shoved them away and then it was two people that grabbed me, one knocking my feet out from under me. They drug me away from the truck and just piled on top of me. I did everything I could to fight them off, punching, kicking...their patience must have worn thin because they just shoved my face into the dirt and sand. I could taste it as I kept screaming and cursing at them. Eventually, I just stopped struggling but they continued to lay on top of me. I could still smell the fire. Then they too, eventually got up and kept a distance from me, watching me to see what I would do. I just stood there. I took off my helmet and took out a cigarette, just numb, I watched the vehicle burn to the ground.

I thought about, if I had been faster - I would have gotten to the truck before the door was impossible to open. If I had been strong - I would have gotten the door open on brute strength. If I had been smarter - I would have figured out some other way to get to him. But if I had been a better medic - I would have gone to the other two patients immediately, instead of letting my emotions control me.

The last thing I said to him before we started that mission was 'So, is today the day? I'm looking forward to spending all of your SGLI on a new house'. To which he smiled and laughed. The last thing I said to him was a fucking joke about him dying
 

BoxManLocke

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,158
France
Hey The Antagonist , just wanted to make sure you know people are reading this, it's just difficult to form a response that feels adequate.

Thank you for sharing, I hope that helps you in some way.
 
OP
OP
The Antagonist
Nov 1, 2017
194
I understand. I don't know what to say to other brothers and sisters in arms that have said similar things to me.

Writing helps.
 

RyougaSaotome

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,689
Antagonist, I honestly don't know what I could say to you after reading what you've written so far, but I just want you to know that I've read every single word of it, and I'm with you.

Seriously.

And I guess I just want you to know that you're not weak. And you sure as hell aren't pathetic. Not at all.
 

MrToughPants

Member
Oct 30, 2017
2,166
Thanks for sharing OP. I can't imagine how difficult it was to go through those events. I wish nothing but the best for you, stay strong brother.
 

Chris McQueen

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The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
5,378
London
I honestly have nothing I could say that would help, except to say I'm so devastatingly sorry. Thank you, for having the courage to share your story.
 

NESpowerhouse

Member
Oct 25, 2017
8,703
Virginia
Oh my God, dude. I cannot even imagine all of the crazy things you must have been through. You and all other armed forces members have my utmost respect and gratitude. I've grown up in a military family with all 3 of my grandpas having served in the military (2 were in the navy and the third was a marine captain in Vietnam). Apparently a couple months before 9/11, an army recruiter was sitting in front of my brother, who was this close to signing and enlisting. Of course, if he had gone through with that, he most certainly would have been deployed a few months later, and who knows what would have happened after that. My mom, who would always await letters from her father in Vietnam, would have to undergo that same agony all over again. There was also a time where I was obsessed with joining the Air Force and going to one of the military academies. However, as I got older, I started to realize that I was not cut out to join the military. I was only a kid during much of the conflict in Iraq and Afghanistan, so back then, I couldn't really grasp the gravity of the situation. But once again, I thank you from the bottom of my heart for your service and the sacrifices you've made for your country.
 

Overflow

Member
Oct 29, 2017
3,156
Wollongong
I'm so sorry to hear all this OP, I can't imagine how difficult it must be for you to talk about. You're immeasurably brave for confronting it and just know that there's many people who understand what you've been through. I can't claim to, but you're not alone.