The thread was on this forum. You can read it. But yes I'm serious.
Cuphead: The Fake Outrage (It's Still Not About Ethics)
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Most of the people who brought up a potential disclaimer also said that it wasn't needed or required, and that it should not be held against the developer in any way if none is added.
Also, you made a post in that thread! The only way you missed this is if you entered that thread and made your post without reading any of the actual discussion. There is literally only one page in that thread that doesn't have the word 'disclaimer' on it, and that page comes after your post.
I vaugley recall posting in the topic but I dont remeber people asking for a disclaimer. I thought people were generally laughing the topic off.
Across the first few pages, there's maybe four comments I'd interpret as 'laughing the topic off', and those all rightfully got official warnings or temporary bans for drive-by posting and belittling the concerns of others.
If you're going to post in a discussion thread, then at least read the discussion. Knowing what is being discussed, why it is being discussed, and how it is being discussed can give you context or insights that might be relevant to what you want to post. It allows you to better connect to the ongoing discussion without coming off as a drive-by post.
First off, I'm wondering why you chose not to use the reply button, as the way you quoted this post removes the Wikipedia page that I linkedwith that sentence. Let me post some snippets from that article and you can tell me if what I said was "hyperbolic crap".
Those are right from the beginning. I'm also going to quote you the original lyrics of Old Folks at Home, which became Florida's state song in 1935, five years after the cartoon that directly inspired Cuphead.
That should give you an image of American culture at the time. Now, let's get back to your post.
Here's where I'm confused. Giving you the benefit of the doubt, I think maybe you could have gotten the idea that the statement you quoted was about 1930s cartoons and not minstrel shows.
Now, that sentence was linked to a Wikipedia article on minstrel shows, so I'll be pretty amazed if you managed to miss that. A few sentences later I stated "Early cartoons were made before this style of entertainment became an old shame that people wanted to bury, and often drew directly from it", which should have also cued you in that the hundred years was referring to the art history that early cartoons are built on and not to the cartoons themselves. So I feel like if you had actually read the post you quoted and not gotten outraged at the first sentence, you would have been able to figure that out.
If that isn't the case, than what I'm getting is that you're trying to claim that stuff like this:
That stuff like this was an expression of life in general and did not exist solely to make fun of black people. But I think you know better than that, you specifically mention cartoons so I don't think it can be that.
I didn't hit the quote button because your opening statement was false, no need to get the rest. I also can't see how I took it out of context since it was in a paragraph about how animation was created in a time when these shows existed, at least it's implied that is the case. But minstrel shows stopped being popular at the end of the 19th century.
You asserted that the main form of entertainment for a hundred years in America was making fun of black people and provided a link to one form that was completely racist. This is where I'm having a problem. It's just a completely unfounded, unsubstantiated, unresearched, hyperbolic statement.
Now I'm almost sure that of all the entertainment of that era that you researched it was probably the main one. Which is the problem I had that
the original article that spawned these threads. The authors limit experience with that form of animation was focused on the negative aspects relating to race. So of course when he looks at cuphead that's what he sees. Which is most likely why he wrote the article. I don't have a problem with the article existing, since it spawned a conversation in which I learned more about that arts history good and bad.
I feel like there could be an essay written about what the fuck happened to Ian Miles Cheong
In 2014 he came out against Gamergate and seemed to have liberal views, and was even friends/acquaintances with some journos I like
Then he vanished for a little bit and came back as "The Hero of the People" and just went full blown Gamergate 24/7, with gaters seemingly willing to ignore his past because they have the memories of goldfish
I really have to imagine it's a Glen Beck situation where he doesn't believe most of the shit he says but he says it anyway because gaters are super exploitable and now his site gets way more revenue. Just super super gross.
In 2014 he came out against Gamergate and seemed to have liberal views, and was even friends/acquaintances with some journos I like
Then he vanished for a little bit and came back as "The Hero of the People" and just went full blown Gamergate 24/7, with gaters seemingly willing to ignore his past because they have the memories of goldfish
I really have to imagine it's a Glen Beck situation where he doesn't believe most of the shit he says but he says it anyway because gaters are super exploitable and now his site gets way more revenue. Just super super gross.
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Ah so this is the lengendary 'Fake Outrage' in action. A picture perfect example for this thread.
I think the "he doesn't really believe it" read is a charitable one; he comes across as legit not-smart to me. He flipped his shit about a kotaku review earlier this year that was blatantly obviously an intentional self-parody on the part of kotaku and he wasn't even able to back down after being shown that there was a legit review of the same game posted weeks earlier. He wasn't able to understand that the thing he was pissed off about was a comedy effort. He's just not clever enough to be Glen Becking.
I'm just baffled by the massive 180 he did on his reporting and political views. I feel like that's not something you generally see unless you're trying to be opportunistic to exploit a gullible audience (see Milo, who publicly disliked video games before becoming the Patron Saint of Gamergate). Maybe he is just a dumbass, idk. Either way he's a piece of shit.
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A little bit off topic, but you really know your cartoons. Can you help me find a specific one?
Its about 2 mice(or other small animal), they are well dressed, and the go in to a party (no people around) and start eating evrything at the table. At one point, one of them gets their head stuck in jelly-0. One falls into a glass of champagne and drinks it all but gets stuck in the glass. I really hope you can helo me with this.
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Already you're either being disingenuous or failed to read the post you're outraged at. The fact that they were no longer as popular as they were at the end of the century does not mean that they stopped existing, or that their racist tropes did not continue in other forms of American media such as cartoons. It does not mean that they were no longer socially acceptable. And that's already been demonstrated in a post you replied to - again, in 1935, over a hundred years after the beginning of the minstrel show, Florida declared a minstrel song as their state song. What really killed it off was the Civil Rights movement, which was over a hundred years after Americans started minstrel shows.
Beyond that, you keep asserting that it's false that racism was the great American pastime for a hundred years without anything to back that that up after I already posted things to demonstrate it. You said that assertions like that scare you from entering these threads. For now, I don't care if you're scared, I will continue to assert it:
The minstrel show.
The coon song.
The origins of ragtime:
A little more about that song:
And further on.
America has a long history of entertainment mediums - not just one medium or genre, but multiple that draw inspiration from each other - rooted in black stereotyping, whitewashing of history, or exploitation
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Sounds like "The Country Cousin": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3U7adg_yPLM
I remembered the cartoon but took me ages to track down the name ><