Daisy Ridley: "I literally was told that [Rey] was no one"
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How they handled the 3 movies will forever be an oddity. Will be interesting to see how the next trilogy goes.
Gonna guess they make sure they have a general idea of Start, Middle, End next time.
Gonna guess they make sure they have a general idea of Start, Middle, End next time.
It was so stupid that part of me thinks JJ wanted to make her Obi Wan's kid, but changed it just to throw off all the fans that were guessing that, and did the dumbest fucking thing possible.
they flew by the seat of their pants, just like the first trilogy!
also proves why the first trilogy probably was a fluke
I mean, of course. We've beat this horse to death (and resurrected, and beat it to death, etc), but obviously the last movie was doubling down on nostalgia because that's the lesson that the suits took from The Last Jedi.
I don't hate JJ as much as hard as many of you do in these threads, but his goal for the first and the third movie of the series was to serve the fans the lukewarm leftovers he felt they wanted. He got called in to reboot the movie through hack nostalgia, and to 'save' the trilogy through the same shit. ('save' meaning the some fair, mostly unfair TLJ fan critique)
I don't hate JJ as much as hard as many of you do in these threads, but his goal for the first and the third movie of the series was to serve the fans the lukewarm leftovers he felt they wanted. He got called in to reboot the movie through hack nostalgia, and to 'save' the trilogy through the same shit. ('save' meaning the some fair, mostly unfair TLJ fan critique)
Don't know how much longer peeps can keep up the act that RJ was the real "issue" with the trilogy
He doesn't. Rey's father is a genetic clone of Palpatine.
Because there's no such thing as a solid roadmap when you're writing a single movie let alone three.
Young Ian McDiarmid offers window into Sheev Palpatine's early years
Look at this hot sith bod, half obscured by a leather jacket. That effortless swagger. No wonder he had such a meteoric rise in Naboo's political scene. The lady in the second photo also appears to have walked off a Star Wars set. Since Rey's father was a Palpatine clone, this is plausibly what...
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Rey Palpatine will forever remain one of the absolute dumbest things written across all the movies. Baffling levels of bewildering awfulness.
I mean nothing is ever totally set in stone and static, but having at least some cornerstones to what the trilogy would be should help.
George Lucas for all his faults I think always has a theme or arc in mind, probably why the prequels last movie sticks the landing.
I really liked The Last Jedi, and I was laughing my ass off with Rise of Skywalker because of how many silly decisions it made.
Anyone who continues that line has to be profiting from it. There's no other explanation, given how piss-poor the Abrams SW stories are.
Laziness probably and kinda understandably. Mix fan hate for the prequels/eagerness for better and JJ's lukewarm talent marketed as innovation and they probably thought they had a slam dunk no matter what and could both take a light hand while trying to weld it into the yearly release schedule Disney thirsted for.
Young Ian McDiarmid offers window into Sheev Palpatine's early years
Look at this hot sith bod, half obscured by a leather jacket. That effortless swagger. No wonder he had such a meteoric rise in Naboo's political scene. The lady in the second photo also appears to have walked off a Star Wars set. Since Rey's father was a Palpatine clone, this is plausibly what...
Wow even worse. At least it was fun to joke about.
Like sure, it's dumb, but that was the same movie introduced the literal, physical return of Palpatine with a Fortnite event and had Palpatine hiding out for the last 20 years on a sith planet making a huge fleet of star destroyers with death star planet killing lasers on them. Which was his backup plan in case the first order failed, which he was running using Snoke as a puppet, because he created Snoke in a vat complete with battle scares from Luke on his face or some shit. And they find the sith planet by using an indianna jones dagger that crashed on death star 2 at the end of ROTJ???
I thought she said to Josh Gad she was told she was a Kenobi
"Rey these are your first steps"
I prefer nobody though as that contrasts with Kylo Ren's lineage
"Rey these are your first steps"
I prefer nobody though as that contrasts with Kylo Ren's lineage
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Changes all the time.
They plan out release dates but the actual story isn't planned out. They greenlit Captain America 3 but had no idea what it was gonna be and during the writing it became Civil War, it could've very easily been something completely different. Thanos wasn't gonna be the big bad until a few movies into phase 1.
Having a plan doesn't matter if JJ is coming in on the last movie going, "fuck the plan!"
TLJ establishes Rey as a nobody. Duel of the Fates ran with Rey being a nobody. And now we know that even during TFA, Rey was considered a nobody. So for the "why didn't they plan it out?!" crowd, this was the plan: Rey was always a nobody. And it was only on the last film that that plan went out the window.
TLJ establishes Rey as a nobody. Duel of the Fates ran with Rey being a nobody. And now we know that even during TFA, Rey was considered a nobody. So for the "why didn't they plan it out?!" crowd, this was the plan: Rey was always a nobody. And it was only on the last film that that plan went out the window.
AFAIK they did, Colin Trevorrow was supposed to direct Episode IX and there's a leaked script out there from his version that shows it was directly following the ideas from Episode VIII.
I think Disney didn't like the reception of Episode VIII and just decided to redo the whole thing.
Oh don't get me wrong; the entire movie, top to bottom, is peak fucking dumb.
Remember when JJ relegated Kelly Marie-Tran to a glorified extra so he could give a role to Dominic Monaghan, because he's his bro?
Yeah, good times.
Yeah, good times.
Which is hilarious because they ignored all the critical praise and listened to whiney fanboys and the end result was critical and fan rejection in IX
IIRC, JJ wasn't the one who came up with the Rey Palpatine twist. The co-writer did because he felt the need to explain Rey's powers, the dude also took credit for the incredibly stupid ending where Rey buries the lightsabers at Luke's home.
Yea again, films go through a metric fuckton of changes before we see the final product. SW films especially. Any good storyteller knows that you don't need a roadmap and that all of the meticulous ideas you come up with will get tossed out as the story progresses. TLJ is a perfect example as it followed all of the plot beats established in interesting directions. TROS's writing wasn't an honest follow through of the themes and story being told.
Is an exact example of how things aren't planned out.
People need to stop citing the MCU as an example of meticulous planning when it's literally the exact opposite.
Or start Episode X with Rey waking up and saying "Woah, that was one weird dream".
And Thanos was entirely Whedon's idea too, just as an example of someone who should play the emperor role in the first Avengers.
Trevorrow was dropped and JJ was brought in months before TLJ even hit theaters.
I mean, yeah. The antagonist of Force Awakens is an embodiment of privelege because of one's family. And the heroes overcome that. Rey overcomes that.
I really dislike JJ Abrams writing and storytelling. His mystery box bullshit sucks. And now he just panders to fanbases. His work on Star Wars was one part regurgitation and one part fanboy fan fiction.
I dread anything he touches.
I dread anything he touches.
The stories are all planned out. Kevin Feige has talked about this at length. They have entire creative retreats where they plan out the next 5 years of films, what storylines they're going to tackle, and how it all ties into each other.
You don't get MCU without a carefully planned roadmap.
You're not wrong. It would have been forgivable to wing it but completely reneging on set up from the first two was just absolutely pathetic & wrongheaded. They can try to paint it as "fulfilling" their non-existent plan but it was a clear act of capitulating and catering to the worst & rudest of the SW fan base which is worse than winging it.