Dan Avidan From Game Grumps Outed For Being a Creep
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Gaming groups seem like a fucking cesspool full of rotten assholes. Fuck this guy, my kids will never be joining gaming groups.
The place this comes from has such a massive hate boner for GG (most likely originated from people getting offended with how they erased the pos JonTron from the show) that even if they had serious proof of actual illegal activities it'd be hard to believe them. Like seriously, I'm not sure I've seen such levels of vitriol before.
Edit: needless to say it's wrong if he's taking advantage of and forcing people from a position of power. Just surprised at how bad that subreddit is.
Edit: needless to say it's wrong if he's taking advantage of and forcing people from a position of power. Just surprised at how bad that subreddit is.
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Because it's really hard to imagine how he comes back from this. The evidence so far is appalling
Is this piece of shit not married? If he doesn't respect himself or his fans, can he at least respect the oath he swore? Disgusting.
I thought the implication of this being posted was "now we'll finally get Arin's game" which seemed a bit tone deaf. Apologies if that's not what was meant but that's how it read to me.
Not that it matters in this situation but I don't think he's ever been married.
Arin is married
Dan had been perpetually single until the last year or so, which bodes poorly with these accusations
Nah. My post was just for the beginning of the video, which is the Game Grumps theme without Dan. Because it's really hard to see how he comes back from this situation as is
I...think he's engaged? I know he's been in a relationship for a couple years, but I can't remember if it's proceeded past that or not, especially with covid happening.
EDIT: looking it up it doesn't seem like there was ever mention of them getting engaged, so scratch that.
"Sorry, I'd groom and abuse you but I'm a married man"
Not to you specifically, but Idk why being married would matter here...
Are you just assuming that he's married because he's in his 40s?
Removed all the NSP stuff from my Spotify. Hopefully Brian says something about this, but at this point the band is dead to me.
The subreddit is probably the worst place for information like this to come out due to their extremely toxic nature and history of fabrication. That said these are serious allegations and with receipts in the end it doesn't matter where the information came from.
Everyone on reddit seems to be focused on debating the grooming aspect due to lack of available information. However I find the claims of dans former assistant much more damning. She was friends with dan, Suzy, arin, Ross and holly etc. She describes her time working with the grumps like a family and she even lived with Ross and holly. She claims that Dans sexual behaviour was in full swing back then, including luring her own partner from her. The thing that doesn't sit right with me is that if you're new to the grumps family and you notice this going on shouldn't the rest of them be well aware?
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It's really not that hard not to groom children ffs.
As long as it's with consenting adults there's nothing wrong with hooking up and being a slut.
I will say that these allegations have popped up multiple times. You just have to listen to Dan, his music, his aesthetic and personal history to understand that a big proponent of his idea of fame is or was the 'rockstar lifestyle'. The star/groupie dynamic is one hundred percent a part of that. If you are surprised he'd sleep with fans, you haven't been paying attention. He's whole gimmick is a nice nerd who became a star and he clearly milked as much as he could. I'm not saying this to make people feel like it isn't wrong, I'm just stating that it's not surprising and shouldn't be.
As to the new wrinkle, his taste in partners has always been younger, his current long term partner and he have a sizeable gap of years, probably similar to the gap being talked about here. With that in mind, in this allegation, we are looking at someone in their mid thirties hooking up with someone in their early twenties. The big question is when that relationship become sexual and at what point did that occur. Was it while that person was underage? Was that always the intention?
r/rantgrumps as the name suggests have many issues with the channel and how it is run and often tries to stir controversy. They are problematic in their own right and tend to have an alt-right slant to their agenda. And they are still sore JonTron was canned.
We don't have firm information on when this happened. Obviously more information is needed. There is a lot of evidence that Dan did use his position and fame to have relationships with fans. These interactions all seem to end with sex followed by ghosting and he does not come out of these interactions looking good at all. Vain, self-aborbed, manipulative.
While browsing twitter I saw these:
Parasocial relationships make these situations increasingly difficult for people. Online Personas and the real life actions of the people who create them rarely fit together, we only get to see the parts of a person they present and get jarred by the reality of them. Dan is the hippie dippie co host of a let's play channel. He tends to talk more thoughtfully about depression and life, which made people really connect with him and his nerd made good story. He is also a much older guy compared to his general fan base and more inclined to make off colour jokes about race and is misinformed about many things and excuse himself with the, 'I have a Chinese friend,' argument.
He's been disappointingly problematic for years.
As to the new wrinkle, his taste in partners has always been younger, his current long term partner and he have a sizeable gap of years, probably similar to the gap being talked about here. With that in mind, in this allegation, we are looking at someone in their mid thirties hooking up with someone in their early twenties. The big question is when that relationship become sexual and at what point did that occur. Was it while that person was underage? Was that always the intention?
r/rantgrumps as the name suggests have many issues with the channel and how it is run and often tries to stir controversy. They are problematic in their own right and tend to have an alt-right slant to their agenda. And they are still sore JonTron was canned.
We don't have firm information on when this happened. Obviously more information is needed. There is a lot of evidence that Dan did use his position and fame to have relationships with fans. These interactions all seem to end with sex followed by ghosting and he does not come out of these interactions looking good at all. Vain, self-aborbed, manipulative.
While browsing twitter I saw these:
Parasocial relationships make these situations increasingly difficult for people. Online Personas and the real life actions of the people who create them rarely fit together, we only get to see the parts of a person they present and get jarred by the reality of them. Dan is the hippie dippie co host of a let's play channel. He tends to talk more thoughtfully about depression and life, which made people really connect with him and his nerd made good story. He is also a much older guy compared to his general fan base and more inclined to make off colour jokes about race and is misinformed about many things and excuse himself with the, 'I have a Chinese friend,' argument.
He's been disappointingly problematic for years.
Youtube will go under and Rolfe will still be there playing his character in front of a camera as if nothing changed.
Off Topic, but I wouldn't count him out considering being close with Mike Matei and having no comment on any of that.
James has been doing this a long time, is happily married with kids and seems like the type not to mess around like this. I'd be super disappointed if he ended up on the pile.
Dan seemed like he had nothing holding him up and let the fame go to his head like lots of YouTubers.
To be clear from my previous posts, hooking up and being a slut isn't wrong. Hooking up and ghosting people is assholish but not really the issue here.
Stories about working the fans 20 years younger than him are what left me so unsettled.
And yeah, rantgrumps is largely a black hole of shitposts from deranged alt-right redditors and Jontron fans but these stories are smoke to fire. And Danny's former assistant chiming in.
I looked up to Dan, I hope he does the right thing here and speaks on it in an honest way. Considering how others have handled similar situations, I don't really know what to expect.
James typically associates with shitheads--I would not be shocked if something came out against him.
James Rolfe publicly said Mike Matei is no longer associated with his stuff.
Correct me if I'm mistaken, but Matei left on his own accord (and I seem to remember hearing his departure was amicable), and wasn't fired.
Wasn't referring to Matei exclusively anyways, I remember one of the rental reviews guys did a nazi gag of some kind. I know that bit is dead--point is James can claim ignorance (and Lord knows he has), but he doesn't seem all that bothered to collaborate with dipshits.
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Those guys have been doing this stuff as employees since the beginning in the 90s. Obviously Gamegrumps is a YouTube channel that had no guarantee of money. It's a very different mindset.
Disagree. There's been plenty of young hires by GB who were professional and not just looking for some e-fame and clout.
I dropped The compleationist and PBG when I found out they were still good with Jon Tron.
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"The age at which any sexual activity happened makes absolutely no difference in the severity of these allegations."
Does it not? Not even in the legal vs illegal age difference, but if they'd had sex at 18 there would be more of a case for grooming and waiting until she's of legal age. Even if you think the age difference between someone in their late 30s and someone in their early 20s is gross and Dan's behaviours is shitty, there's a world of difference from the former.
Does it not? Not even in the legal vs illegal age difference, but if they'd had sex at 18 there would be more of a case for grooming and waiting until she's of legal age. Even if you think the age difference between someone in their late 30s and someone in their early 20s is gross and Dan's behaviours is shitty, there's a world of difference from the former.
GiantBomb is run by a man who dropped out of high school, has been working in the industry since the 90s and literally got fired by Gamespot because of his unwillingness to abandon his personal standards. It's really hard for a website to gather shit people when that's the integrity of the person who is running it all.
This isn't a court of law, trying to frame the situation only in its legal aspects is manipulative.
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The fact that he started talking to her when she was a minor (that she porvide proof of), and after she become older he started to have sexual conversations and used his celebrity status to manipulate her to just have sex and dump her immediately after it, doesn't make it look less of a creep.
Just because he waited for her to be legal, doesn't make him look less of human garbage.
I never heard of this creep or game grumps and this news cements I'll never have to hear about him or them ever again probably. Good on the victims for stepping forward.
I mean, they frequently brought on Max Temkin. GB's culture was not exactly repelling shitheads, either. Not saying the main cast of GB is like Temkin, but even a show tied to big corporate owners celebrated bad people like that for years.
Sorry if I've missed something, and this is more academic than anything that would excuse his shit behaviour, but doesn't it seem like the relationship didn't turn sexual until quite a while after she came of age (ie. the evidence comes from when she was about 22)?
I mean, he wouldn't have waited long if what I've read is correct and the first message was barely a month before she turned eighteen.
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The relation didn't turn fisical until 22. But their online enchange started before, in conversation.
When it happened was a matter of oportunity, when they both meet.
That ended the second he got what he wanted from her.
Also this is not a 1 time thing. Dan has a documented history of doing this
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Absolutely fair, and it's an abuse of the power dynamics at the absolute least. The paedophilia talk muddies the waters, though- he's plenty enough of a creep without that.The relation didn't turn fisical until 22. But their online enchange started before, in conversation.
When it happened was a matter of oportunity, when they both meet.
That ended the second he got what he wanted from her.
Also this is not a 1 time thing. Dan has a documented history of doing this
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