Aren't you the one who called Seikiro a DMC game? I'm still not really sure what you were getting at there.It's an adventure game. It fits well the genre but if you want to go running around full speed with 250kg on your back and not stumble, you're going to have a bad time. Not the games fault, you just don't care about the game's mechanic.
If you try to do 100hits combo in Sekiro it won't work, you can come back here and say is the wrong genre if you want as well.
I was asking if your post was seriousSomeone seriously posted that a few pages before this, but instead of joker its about the game. It's incredible.
This post rulesI'm done with resetera. I'm definitely not done with video games, I end up playing 10-20 new games every year, that will probably never change. But this game really made me realize I no longer give a shit about anything you guys have to say. It made me realize that video game reviewers mean nothing to me anymore. For so long have I been a child, now I can look into the mirror and truly see a woman looking back at me. I no longer put any stock into the opinions or thoughts of people on the internet, from now on, I trust myself and those I consider closest to me in real life.
This is probably the single best game I've played this entire generation. It's one of the funnest games I've played in years. I've played all of your favourite games. I'm probably better at most of them than most of you guys are, I've played literally hundreds of video games released this decade of all sorts of different genres and styles.
There are a few of you guys out there who are alright, keep on keeping on. But eventually you guys too will realize you're like me: you truly fucking love video games with all your heart, it's probably impossible to change that about yourself. And you'll realize your posting on a forum full of complete morons who don't even play video games, they just enjoy shitposting about them. These are people who are essentially broken on the inside and have likely lost most of their ability to enjoy things. The type of people who complain about stagnation in the industry, and when arguably the most revolutionary game of the decade drops, they all gang up together to pretend that it isn't even a video game, when in reality Death Stranding is basically the most video gamey video game of all time.
The game is awesome. If I went off videos like this I'd think the same thing as you.Haha, man. I know that this video doesn't paint the game in the most flattering light, but damn. What's in this video alone is enough for me to know that the game looks absolutely fucking terrible by every metric for which I enjoy games.
And I'm somewhat of a diehard Kojima fan.
Yo! So reading lots of comments and interviews by Kojima over the last decades I can only say with certainty that the dude is half self-aware of how silly some aspects of his games and stories are and half unaware. My first instinct is that yeah, he just wants players to have a huge laugh after what is suppsoed to be a big showdown.The game is filled with jokes and that entire part is intentionally farcical.
What?
I haven't played the game and probably never will, but Dunkey echoes every impression I've been left with from what I've seen of, and read about, the game. It seems like a bad, boring and thoroughly tedious game with high production values and nice graphics.
It's extreme on both sides. You have this take and the complete opposite "All you do is go from A to B".
Game is not only fun, is also super addictive. You might like it or not, but saying its not fun, is a lie.
I mean I dont think it's its own revolutionary genre, but the social aspect of the game is extremely important not only to how it plays but also the message it's trying to send. Dunkey doesn't even mention that part of the game and erroneously attributes "strand" to walking.Are people unironically calling it a strand game now? I didn't even think his fans were doing that with a straight face.
I dunno, I completed the game, and bad writing, bad animations while walking, terrain clipping, "skyrim" climbing mountains with a bike, lots of repetitive cutscenes ... all of this was in the game. I think the game has some really good things too, mostly the interesting online component, but this review feels far more sincere to me than a "10/10 life-changing experience".
Exactly. But stating the game is not fun. Its a lie. The game is lots of fun, thers alot of fun gameplay mechanics in the game, more than most games out there right now.What? No it's not. Fun in and of itself is subjective. What may be fun to you may not be for somebody else.
Aren't you the one who called Seikiro a DMC game? I'm still not really sure what you were getting at there.
What critical thinking does DS actually require? The story has all the subtlety of an ice pick straight to the prefrontal cortex. If you're on board with the meditative aspect of the gameplay, I can respect that but let's not pretend that the game requires a significant degree of puzzle solving or lateral thinking to transport boxes from A to B.
But does that hit the previously meaningful standard for allowing a game to fit a new genre, nevermind for allowing Kojima to simply declare it to be the start of one? Maybe the answer is yes, but does it really add so much that it cannot simply be treated as a high budget delivery sim?I mean I dont think it's its own revolutionary genre, but the social aspect of the game is extremely important not only to how it plays but also the message it's trying to send. Dunkey doesn't even mentions that part of the game and erroneously attributes "strand" to walking.
Yo! So reading lots of comments and interviews by Kojima over the last decades I can only say with certainty that the dude is half self-aware of how silly some aspects of his games and stories are and half unaware. My first instinct is that yeah, he just wants players to have a huge laugh after what is suppsoed to be a big showdown.
But part of me also thinks the line is supposed to be genuinly endearing and the beach run is intended to be genuinly touching. Kojima is very inconsistent with some huge blind spots in this regard so both possibilities are open.
It's funny either way though.
What?
No.
You're a nuke.
Of course. I'm in the "A to B" camp myself, but I recognize people enjoy weird things in gaming - there's this guy who beats Dark Souls with his toes, people spend hundreds of hours building their Lego castle in Minecraft or managing a fortresses in ASCII Dwarf Fortress. Whatever makes them happy is a legit way to spend their time. But then you have these die hards who come into threads like these and just _need_ everyone else to like this thing they like, or they are dumb or something.
Now that's funny.
It depends on what you define failure as. If a game fails to engage the player with the gameplay, than plenty of people would consider it a "failure" of a game.I mean.. video games are subjective sure, but this game is by no means a failure. The game is perfectly functional, no glitches, beautiful art, amazing sound design and music, crazy story, and for me, some of the most compelling gameplay I've experienced this generation.
Dunkey is entitled to his opinion completely. But I'm deeply skeptical of anyone that gives hyperbolically bad reviews to any game that is perfectly functional and well produced.
I'm done with resetera. I'm definitely not done with video games, I end up playing 10-20 new games every year, that will probably never change. But this game really made me realize I no longer give a shit about anything you guys have to say. It made me realize that video game reviewers mean nothing to me anymore. For so long have I been a child, now I can look into the mirror and truly see a woman looking back at me. I no longer put any stock into the opinions or thoughts of people on the internet, from now on, I trust myself and those I consider closest to me in real life.
This is probably the single best game I've played this entire generation. It's one of the funnest games I've played in years. I've played all of your favourite games. I'm probably better at most of them than most of you guys are, I've played literally hundreds of video games released this decade of all sorts of different genres and styles.
There are a few of you guys out there who are alright, keep on keeping on. But eventually you guys too will realize you're like me: you truly fucking love video games with all your heart, it's probably impossible to change that about yourself. And you'll realize your posting on a forum full of complete morons who don't even play video games, they just enjoy shitposting about them. These are people who are essentially broken on the inside and have likely lost most of their ability to enjoy things. The type of people who complain about stagnation in the industry, and when arguably the most revolutionary game of the decade drops, they all gang up together to pretend that it isn't even a video game, when in reality Death Stranding is basically the most video gamey video game of all time.
Exactly. But stating the game is not fun. Its a lie. The game is lots of fun, thers alot of fun gameplay mechanics in the game, more than most games out there right now.
This reads like a joke. Not sure if serious.....I'm done with resetera. I'm definitely not done with video games, I end up playing 10-20 new games every year, that will probably never change. But this game really made me realize I no longer give a shit about anything you guys have to say. It made me realize that video game reviewers mean nothing to me anymore. For so long have I been a child, now I can look into the mirror and truly see a woman looking back at me. I no longer put any stock into the opinions or thoughts of people on the internet, from now on, I trust myself and those I consider closest to me in real life.
This is probably the single best game I've played this entire generation. It's one of the funnest games I've played in years. I've played all of your favourite games. I'm probably better at most of them than most of you guys are, I've played literally hundreds of video games released this decade of all sorts of different genres and styles.
There are a few of you guys out there who are alright, keep on keeping on. But eventually you guys too will realize you're like me: you truly fucking love video games with all your heart, it's probably impossible to change that about yourself. And you'll realize your posting on a forum full of complete morons who don't even play video games, they just enjoy shitposting about them. These are people who are essentially broken on the inside and have likely lost most of their ability to enjoy things. The type of people who complain about stagnation in the industry, and when arguably the most revolutionary game of the decade drops, they all gang up together to pretend that it isn't even a video game, when in reality Death Stranding is basically the most video gamey video game of all time.
But does that hit the previously meaningful standard for allowing a game to fit a new genre, nevermind for allowing Kojima to simply declare it to be the start of one? Maybe the answer is yes, but does it really add so much that it cannot simply be treated as a high budget delivery sim?
As I understand it, he is a massive MGS fan and was very interested. I would also assume he used footage meant to make his point not qualify the video as a tight representation optimal gameplay.I was implying that you can't play Death Stranding like an action game and you told me is in the action adventure genre, I used Sekiro and Devil May Cry to note that not every game is the same.
A game about balancing cargo and weight can be boring but it's not bad because you can't fast run your way out of things like Mario.
Dunkey clearly wanted to play a different game, that's alright but I'm just saying he played it wrong. Not that it would change anything, he's just not interested.
But you're the exact opposite, not representing what the game is truly about and boiling it down to "A to B". How are the die hards coming up with these "intellectual" arguments worse than your equally ridiculous opinion?
Nope instead it tried to edgy, hip and you guessed it cool! Which is even worse than trying not to be a dime a dozen shooter.
You realize this is a review, right? And reviews are inherently just the opinions of the reviewers? If Dunkey didn't find the game to be fun, then how is saying "it's not fun" a lie?Exactly. But stating the game is not fun. Its a lie. The game is lots of fun, thers alot of fun gameplay mechanics in the game, more than most games out there right now.
I know, the problem is that the game is not robust enough to implement a way to prevent it while feeling natural. You can zigzag/turbo almost anything, it's like the Mako in ME1 or horses in Skyrim. And for a game about traversal, the lack of something this obvious is quite bad, same with "forced climbing while cancelling animations" and other really bad problems the game has with traversal.You aren't really meant to be taking motorcycles up the sides of mountains, for example.
Basically all walking simulators, exploration games, and open world games are more focused on the journey than the destination, at least if you buy their press. Most of those games have a whole lot more than rocks, ghosts, and inventory management on the way there though.Yes it absolutely does. The game does a lot to differentiate itself from other open-worlds titles. Where most are concerned with what happens at point A and point B and everything in between is filler, DS is a game about what happens in between those points.
After Knack 2, I can see how even the best game would look like hot garbage
Fun is a really subjective thing, you can't force anything to be fun for everyone. Of course Dunkey tried to play against the game design, and was even less fun. But there's no thing as a "subjectively fun" game.Exactly. But stating the game is not fun. Its a lie. The game is lots of fun, thers alot of fun gameplay mechanics in the game, more than most games out there right now.
I can also say alot of games i dont have fun with are not fun. Like Fortnite to me is not fun. but it would be a lie to be to factually state it as a not fun game. Same for Death Stranding. You might not enjoy the gameplay and to YOU might not be fun. But stating like its a fact that DS isent fun, its a big fat lie that i have been reading mostly from ppl that never played the game or are super closed mind to new gameplay experiences.No, it's not. You think those gameplay mechanics are fun. Your opinion isn't a universal fact. Some people don't think those gameplay mechanics are fun. There's nothing dishonest about saying the gameplay in any game isn't fun because that's purely subjective in the first place.
Plenty of games put a bunch of stuff on the way from point A to B. Hell, it's an open world staple at this point. Death Stranding focuses on the traversal part, not about things "happening" on the way.Yes it absolutely does. The game does a lot to differentiate itself from other open-worlds titles. Where most are concerned with what happens at point A and point B and everything in between is filler, DS is a game about what happens in between those points.
Enlighten me, what is the game "truly" about? Because to me it seems awfully like a game about bringing things from A to B (and building some stuff to bring them from A to B faster or helping others bring them from A to B faster).
Please no "it really makes you think about human connections".
As I understand it, he is a massive MGS fan and was very interested. I would also assume he used footage meant to make his point not qualify the video as a tight representation optimal gameplay.
And the dissimilarity of two games in the same genre does not open up the genre to whatever wants to join. Two games can be different but still clearly share genre determinative traits and strong points. Similarly, two games can be different and not share those treats or strong points. Maybe this is one that fits into a few genres though, could be.
So the same logic can be reversed. If stating as a fact that the game is fun, but to me isn't that fun, someone is lying, and it doesn't need to be me.I can also say alot of games i dont have fun with are not fun. Like Fortnite to me is not fun. but it would be a lie to be to factually state it as a not fun game. Same for Death Stranding game. You might not enjoy the gameplay and to YOU might not be fun. But stating like its a fact that DS isent fun, its a big fat lie that i have been reading mostly from ppl that never played the game.
Do you want him to say "In my opinion" every time in his own review? You clicked it knowing it was Dunkey and his opinion is what you're going to get.I can also say alot of games i dont have fun with are not fun. Like Fortnite to me is not fun. but it would be a lie to be to factually state it as a not fun game. Same for Death Stranding. You might not enjoy the gameplay and to YOU might not be fun. But stating like its a fact that DS isent fun, its a big fat lie that i have been reading mostly from ppl that never played the game or are super closed mind to new gameplay experiences.
Plenty of games put a bunch of stuff on the way from point A to B. Hell, it's an open world staple at this point. Death Stranding focuses on the traversal part, not about things "happening" on the way.
Basically all walking simulators, exploration games, and open world games are more focused on the journey than the destination, at least if you buy their press. Most of those games have a whole lot more than rocks, ghosts, and inventory management on the way there though.
His refusal to put anything at A or B does not enhance the trip between the two of them.
for what it's worth, I'm no Kojima stan (though I traditionally enjoy the games he makes, with some notable exceptions) and I'm having a blast with Death Stranding so far. I've put over 30 hours into it and they've all been a ton of fun.I'm sure you can figure that out yourself, and if you can't, don't ask me.
Enlighten me, what is the game "truly" about? Because to me it seems awfully like a game about bringing things from A to B (and building some stuff to bring them from A to B faster or helping others bring them from A to B faster).
Please no "it really makes you think about human connections".
Go.
What I say is that he wasn't interested once he experience what the game was about, it actually really looks like he wanted to play like a Metal Gear game and it's a continent away from it. Not the game's fault, it's not called nor it was promised a Metal Gear game.
Is not Dunkey's fault either, I just saw the footage and saw a guy doing what you're not supposed to do in Death Stranding, run around like a maniac.
Why I don't agree is saying the game is bad because it's not what you imagine ir should be but I understand is confusing to see what is the line between this is bad or this is not for me.