Is it true that sub went lost before for a few hours? That should've been the real wakeup call that this service needed to be shut down.
Debris field found in Titan search area (up: Catastrophic Implosion)
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Sky News. President of Explorer Club they refer to is Richard Garriot of Ultima fame, randomly.
If this is indeed the case then it sounds like the theory that it lost power mid-descent and then slammed into the ocean floor, causing an implosion, might be correct.
Titanic sub search - live: Debris found in search is 'landing frame and rear cover from sub', expert says; Coast Guard to give update
The US Coast Guard has issued a major update, reporting that a debris field was discovered in the search area near the Titanic. Experts are said to be "evaluating the information", and an update will be given at 8pm UK time.
news.sky.com
I hope for their sake it was an implosion, versus the other possibilities. Seems very likely given what's been found, and also the construction of the sub and factors surrounding that.
If the tail and frame are visible, but not the rest, implosion is nearly certain. The carbon fiber tube would have shattered like porcelain.
Either that or the hull imploded on the way down and the metal frame landed.
If they signed a waiver they have effectively indemnified the company and a lawsuit would go nowhere.
That is unless the company was found to operating negligently which from the sounds of it, was the case.
That would depend on the governing law. Not all jurisdictions allow people to sign away their life, there are rules on what can be waived, particularly if negligence is involved.
Not surprised, hull implosion was always the most probable cause of the accident.
This is from last year, the research on composite pressure hulls in the deep sea is still in the exploratory stage.
www.mdpi.com
This is from last year, the research on composite pressure hulls in the deep sea is still in the exploratory stage.
A Review on Structural Failure of Composite Pressure Hulls in Deep Sea:
A Review on Structural Failure of Composite Pressure Hulls in Deep Sea
With the increasing application and study of lightweight and high strength fiber reinforced polymer composites in ocean industry, the structural failure problem of composite pressure hulls has attracted great attention from many researchers in China and globally. Analysis of the structural...
www.mdpi.com
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It could result in a civil suit, I am sure there will be breakdowns soon on the legal repercussions of this.
Surely it's the opposite? A waiver might protect against civil action but they would still be liable for criminal conduct
Although it happening in international waters muddies things
Wait, what? The Explorers club is not Oceans Gate. Quite the opposite.
Edit; misunderstood the post, sorry. With all the misinformation and hate in this thread its sort of obvious but sorry for this
damn if they found the parts that were not intrinsically part of the pressurised hell, that's for sure the implosion, and since the pressurised hull is made of composites like carbon fibre, that would shatter in such a situation, and not be a tin can on the seabed
how that happened we probably won't know for sure, uncontrolled descent and slamming into the seabed, hull integrity compromised because of the external pressure, or could've drifted into wreckage from a current that compromised the hull
how that happened we probably won't know for sure, uncontrolled descent and slamming into the seabed, hull integrity compromised because of the external pressure, or could've drifted into wreckage from a current that compromised the hull
Not surprised, hull implosion was always the most probable cause of the accident.
This is from last year, the research on composite pressure hulls in the deep sea is still in the exploratory stage.
www.mdpi.com
This is from last year, the research on composite pressure hulls in the deep sea is still in the exploratory stage.
A Review on Structural Failure of Composite Pressure Hulls in Deep Sea
A Review on Structural Failure of Composite Pressure Hulls in Deep Sea
With the increasing application and study of lightweight and high strength fiber reinforced polymer composites in ocean industry, the structural failure problem of composite pressure hulls has attracted great attention from many researchers in China and globally. Analysis of the structural...
www.mdpi.com
Tell me about it. Implosion being the best case scenario has been fucking me up. It's a bad situation no matter how you look at it.
Sounds like James Cameron maybe weight in a while ago?
That is the biggest question mark over any legal proceedings, establishing jurisdiction could be almost impossible due to this taking place in international waters.
why would being on surface be the biggest fear? (im guessing because it would be really shitty if they were relatively fine the whole time but still couldnt get oxygen)
Correct. Suffocating to death while you can see sunlight in the portal would be the worst scenario.
When I saw the title, my heart skipped a beat thinking of a debris field on Saturn's moon, Titan with a Nasa conference with all the uap news.
Death would be instant or nearly instant. The sudden pressure differential would boil your blood, scramble your insides, and crush and tear your body to pieces.
Yes. That much water over their heads at that depth is an unimaginable weight and all of it is trying to get into the sub. So when the shell cracks, its occupants are pulverized in the blink of an eye.
I would imagine there's no sucking out of anything at depth, that's for a vacuum. It'd be an implosion I assume, which is equally grim, but at least it'd also be mercifully quick.
If it's the same one that was posted in the big thread, then I just want to say I didn't mind his somber tone at the end either. Going over the details of the submersible and it's possible design flaws, him being honest in the outcome of the passengers wasn't him being coldly rash and insensitive, at least to me.
Yeah, given the time and logistics of a deep sea rescue, a surface rescue was always going to be the most likely path for success. If it turned out they were on the surface but not found in time, that would be horrible.
It's a shame that the whistleblower's safety concerns about that carbon fiber hull sadly came true at the cost of lives, if that is indeed what happened.
A quote from that article:
A quote from that article:
This was also what the whistleblower was fired for right? That the viewport wasn't graded for that low depth
Edit: yep see above
Could have been the portal that initially failed, or the glued on titanium rings. The end result is the same. If anything is compromised, that hull is a goner.
If there was criminal negligence in the design and construction, I would assume a prosecution would be possible in the jurisdictions those took place in, even if the deaths themselves occurred in international waters
Yeah. Something I read about the implosion of the USS Scorpion was that the implosion would have happened so fast that the crew would have been dead before they could register that anything was happening.
This Will surely be one more of those fake tweets though
"The owner was on board so he paid the price for his mistake…"
Big Jim not mincing words, god damn.
This is totally fake, lol
The pressure at that depth would have crushed them into paste in a split second.
He rode in it and I guess he knew that was gonna happen.
/Fake yeah, but still, anyone with any iota of engineer knowledge saw this coming.
Someone on the news the other day said that the boat would be a lot harder to find on the surface because it would float farther