It's the same reason why Bernie won't support "Abolish ICE" and decries "Identity Politics" and is super lax on Gun stuff. He's representing the second-whitest second-most-rural state in the US.
Dem. Manchin (WV): "We need... drones, towers, and Blackhawk helicopters" at border plus wall
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Oh, youre one of those posters that assumes that every time someone quotes their post is an attack? Good to know.
I was agreeing with you, BTW.
Then we don't win in West Virginia, and he gets replaced by a Republican who fucks us way worse.
Seriously I'm all for cleansing the party out in blue and sometimes even purple states. I sure as hell don't donate any money to Manchin, but I won't actively root against his defeat, either. And if I lived in West Virginia, I'd vote for him.
But by all means everyone, keep acting as if Manchin is the nucleus of the party to justify your both sides fetish.
Speaking of WV Democrats, look at Richard Ojeda. He literally voted for Trump. I won't like having him in the caucus but I'm sure I won't mind when he casts the deciding vote for legal weed and Medicare for All (things he's running on).
Need in what sense?
Because you're talking about extreme costs here. Who are you stopping and why? Are illegals coming in to do farm work or kitchen work contributing to or damaging the US economy? Does the result justify the cost in any way whatsoever?
Because you're talking about extreme costs here. Who are you stopping and why? Are illegals coming in to do farm work or kitchen work contributing to or damaging the US economy? Does the result justify the cost in any way whatsoever?
Do you live in West Virginia?
If so, you had a voice in the primary. He won it.
If not? Congratulations, you have no power, because you don't get a vote.
Isn't wanting "drones, towers, and Blackhawk helicopters" and a wall at the border just as bad?
Who can win statewide in WV with more progressive values than Manchin?
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if you like the form of political triangulation that literally ends with you embracing fascism, y'all can have that. I guess the people of WV are just dumb backwater hicks that will never support anyone who isn't publicly advocating fascism. if that's what y'all really think, you can have it. i want nothing to do with it.
If Manchin had switched sides and ran as a Republican in this election he would be cruising to reelection right now and a 100% lock.
Manchin is not a Republican because he actually agrees with Democrats more than he does Republicans. His own voting record attests to this.
Shocking I know.
Maybe automatic turrets as well that way we can just stop them in their track as well?! Like seriously, I could never imagine fearing a stranger solely cause they are darker than I am. Shit is ridiculous to walk around day in and day out with so much hate in your heart.
fuck Joe Manchin
West Virginia is probably the last state anyone wants to even migrate too, heck I bet Alaska has more takers than fuckin' West Virginia
fuck coal country.
West Virginia is probably the last state anyone wants to even migrate too, heck I bet Alaska has more takers than fuckin' West Virginia
fuck coal country.
Sounds like a good strategy to implement at every district.
That would have to be for the locals of the state to figure out. The original question was simply to understand what is possible not put a name forward.
No. You are extremely politically ignorant if you think this is a good idea. Not every state is California. Politics in places like West Virginia is about compromise. But I guess you'd rather have a GOP shlub in office there if we can't' get a Dem that passes your purity test, right?
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yup. let's run fascists everywhere that voted for trump. they're the safest bet in trump's america!
I dunno man, i just feel like him saving the affordable care act is a bigger deal than a meaningless tweet. *shrug*
Wait what? Blackhawks? Drones? He wants to turn crossing the border illegally into a death sentence? He better just be saying these things to ensure victory in November but even then it's really not helpful to encourage this kind of rhetoric, the racists in this country are crazy enough on their own.
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publicly supporting fascism is meaningless? lol ok. do you have that same energy for trump's tweets or?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_West_Virginia,_2016
Donald Trump 68.5%
Hillary Clinton 26.4%
Reality says hi.
Can't wait till I'm gone from the U.S. and this fucking cowardice isn't so common.
Disgusting.
"Want" is the key word there. He's walking a fine line by rejecting child detainment but claiming he wants a rock solid border. He's attempting to appeal to the morality of his constituency while appealing to their paranoia enough to stay in office.
As long as he never actually votes for those things (if it is a winnable vote) he is basically playing the long game here.
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yup. run fascists who agree with trump in every constituency who voted for trump apparently, because they're the safest bet in trump's america
You won't be missed. Parading blind idealism out without regard for real world consequences is performative progressivism at best and outright harmful at worst.
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Want is the key word. He wants fascism, embraces fascism, and just voted for a border wall, but as long as he doesn't get what he wants and votes for, it's OK :^)
I feel like talking about this guy is majoring in the minors. Ignore this guy. He votes mostly with the Dems. And he will be the best you're gonna get in his state for now.
There are bigger fish to fry than some Democratic Senator in West Virginia of all places.
There are bigger fish to fry than some Democratic Senator in West Virginia of all places.
Would he be able to get through a GOP primary, and isn't this midterm looking extremely favourable to the Democrats?
Dunno, I wouldn't be shocked if he flipped in his second term.
There is a world of difference between a drone launched from the back of a truck that provides situational awareness to Border Patrol officers and a MQ-9 Reaper with AGM-114 Hellfire missiles or JDAMs.
It's not the fault of the other 49 states that West Virginia is what it is.
You do what you can with what you have. And what you have in WV isn't much.
Manchin:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/joe-manchin-iii/
Nearest Republican:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/rand-paul/
Nearest Republican in a blue state:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/susan-m-collins/
> 50 state strategy
> 100% agreement with blue state dems in not only voting record, but also in things said while campaigning.
Pick one
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/joe-manchin-iii/
Nearest Republican:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/rand-paul/
Nearest Republican in a blue state:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/susan-m-collins/
> 50 state strategy
> 100% agreement with blue state dems in not only voting record, but also in things said while campaigning.
Pick one
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yup, attack the people critizing the fascists while defending the person publicly advocating fascism. lol
I don't know man, i'm just saying that he prevented 30 million people from losing healthcare through his actions, and he's hurt zero people through his tweets.
He's playing his state, if he doesn't say stuff like this he'll be voted out in November. You're not getting anyone better out of West Virginia, so it's better to have someone who votes with you 40% of the time than someone who votes with you 0% of the time.
Here's 538's interpretation of his voting record, he votes with the Democrats 40% of the time, on matters including net neutrality, tax reform, ACA repeal, gun control, and regulations.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/joe-manchin-iii/
Here's 538's interpretation of his voting record, he votes with the Democrats 40% of the time, on matters including net neutrality, tax reform, ACA repeal, gun control, and regulations.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/joe-manchin-iii/
Manchin is not an ideologue. He just wants to remain senator. If he thought saying the opposite of this would keep him in office, he would be doing so.
As a WVian, believe people when they say just let Manchin do his thing. We are not going to produce anything better until we WVians learn that coal is dead and Trump is not saving it.
As a WVian, believe people when they say just let Manchin do his thing. We are not going to produce anything better until we WVians learn that coal is dead and Trump is not saving it.
West Virginia is the most pro-Trump state in the entire country. Manchin is the only reason we have any chance in hell of keeping the seat. He is, and has been for years, the most popular politician in the entire state.
Blindly attacking him without providing a viable alternative to him is useless. I don't like him either and would prefer he get replaced by someone more progressive. Guess what - that's been tried and it failed.
So again, if the point of all this is "I don't like it", welcome to the party.
The median WV voter is a racist asshole who loves coal.
Manchin appeals to those demons while also voting against Trump tax cuts, in favor of saving the Affordable Care Act, liberalized immigration policy (yes, in spite of his tweet he was a Yea for the 2013 immigration bill and the DACA bill earlier this year), LGBT rights (supported ENDA in 2013), literally wrote a gun control bill...
You are grossly oversimplifying this. Manchin is not a carbon copy of Trump who just happens to wear the D label.
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ok but do you apply that same logic to trump tweets or not? because advocating fascist discourse on a public platform has harmful consequences whether you realize it or not
but fascism man, fascism from the fascist fascizer tweeting fascist things for his fascist state
Incorrect, I'm saying he has to put on a show to stay in office and be able to vote on winnable issues.
I don't like it either but it's where we're at.
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