I hacked the voting machines. Bernie will now win with 69.420% of the vote in all states.
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I hacked the voting machines. Bernie will now win with 69.420% of the vote in all states.
The election map is quite promising for November imo, especially if Biden continues to perform well in states like Michigan. 2016 was decided by a few key areas in a few key states. Exactly the places Biden is doing well. I really think at this point that if the Democrats ran nearly anybody else in 2016, Trump wouldn't be President. On the flip side I don't think Sanders would've beaten Trump either because as we're seeing now, he doesn't play well in these states either. He just wasn't Clinton.
From that article:
According to that article, 10,000 more Democrats voted yesterday than in 2016 in one small county alone. That's what is going to push Trump right out of office. I love to see the high turnout too. I like Sanders for the ideas and change he brings so that bummed me out but there's a lot to be positive about yesterday as well. People are getting more active in politics which is awesome. 2018 had the highest turnout of any midterm since 1914 and these primary numbers are promising. Let's keep that momentum up because a repeat of 2018 with the Presidency as well would be amazing.
He was polling above the 15% threshold in several states. He dropped out and endorsed Biden. the same with other candidates.
"just sell out lol"
imagine actually going out to vote and voting for joe "you're full of shit, shush woman" biden
If the olds want the planet to turn into a lump of charcoal when they've only got a handful of years left, who are us youngs to say they aren't entitled to that right?
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As long as Biden is as good as he was in his speech last night, he'll cruise to victory this year. Trump's done nothing to expand his base, third party voting is going to drop like a rock and turnout is looking likely to tick up overall. We've seen in national polling that voter engagement is already higher than it was in November 2016, right before the election.
Frankly I'm tempted to say it'll be an easy 52-46 win all the way through to November with the polls telling a very consistent story all the while, though people will be understandably concerned as the consequences of Biden somehow losing are too dire. He could very easily blow it but I feel like the general naysaying over Biden's chances are pretty emotionally charged right now, turnout's ramping up pretty much everywhere and it seems to be benefiting him almost exclusively (in contrast to the common "Bernie is the only one who can turn out the voters we need" talking points), and whatever you can say about his speaking/debate ability, the idea that Trump will beat him is laughable.
The problem is that caucues are party-run whereas primaries are state-run. In order to switch from a full caucus state to a full primary state, the state would need to get involved, which requires funding for the election, etc. Minnesota's legislature had to pass a bill in 2016 that established presidential primaries from 2020 onward.
It's very possible North Dakota Democrats couldn't get any support from the state government in moving away from caucuses, so they had to cobble together this half-assed solution. I agree though that caucuses need to go, starting with Iowa (who, as far as I can tell, only sticks with caucuses because New Hampshire has a law that makes them the first primary - Iowa being a caucus allows them to go first, though I think it's safe to say they've forfeited that privilege after the clusterfuck this year).
I honestly don't care about open vs. closed registration, though I will admit it's very nice in Minnesota just being able to request the party ballot with no strings attached. In non-presidential primaries they're even printed on the same ballot, you just can only fill out one side.
The numbers you're quoting are lower but basically the same as those found in the two articles I posted. Thinking the conversation ends there is the problem.
I do enjoy these takes. Biden crushing it in Michigan yesterday is a very good sign for November. I'd prefer most of the other nominees be president if it was up to me, but I'd also much rather Biden have a clean, decisive win in March than things staying close and leading to an incredibly fractious convention. The sooner democrats can stop fighting each other and focus on the real threat, the better.
Holy shit at Florida vs Trump difference.
Welp, that's Bernie's failure. I voted for him. But I guess he didn't learn too much from 2016 unfortunately. No built relationships in the south, among black voters, and his Latino outreach was not enough to overcome losses elsewhere. He also lost various white voters from 2016. And of course he failed to deliver the promised youth vote. That's squarely on him. If you fail on all those fronts, then that's not anyone else's fault but his and his campaign's.
Say whatever you want to say. You're right that every opinion is equally valid in that everyone (well not technically) in this country gets 1 vote and should use it as they please. I just don't think the dismissive talk and insulting entire blocs of people because they didn't vote for your candidate is very productive or conducive to actually getting change implemented.
Bernie vs Trump in a general in FL would be a complete slaughter. Doesn't look like we're going to see it.
Well turnout in the polls and you can override their decision. Otherwise, their vote matters more, because they literally, vote.
Yup. I still have little to no confidence that really any democrat would win it this year, but with Biden it's at least possible.
There it is. With Biden very good chance we win Florida back and add AZ's EC votes.
I doubt the Democrats are doing this deliberately. The overwhelming evidence from this election and even 2016 is that voter suppression is a terrific boon for Bernie Sanders. It's probably why he won the state.
I dunno, I wish more politicians would tell "THEY'RE GUNNA TAKE OUR GUNS" second amendment whiners to shut the fuck up.
Looks like a Democrat is not going to hurt Biden too much for the anti-socialist crowd (the republicans will try to push that to win The cuban/Venezuelan vote)
I'm surprised at how well Bernie still manages to do in both states. Biden's definitely the guy for Florida, though.
Yep, it's time. It's time for him to push "his base" the other way. He can't do what he did last time.
I did vote, and this affects everyone on the planet, so the pedantic tut-tutting of everyone's freedom to criticize one voting bloc's collective Human Race Suicide Pact is silly. People should be protesting loudly and angrily so that you're not drinking lead-contaminated water or spillage from a future Biden oil pipeline.
Not just push - he needs to IMPLORE his base to vote for Biden.
Give him a chance. Let him debate and let him have another week in the race. If he is still losing most every state then he should exit.
If you think telling dumbasses they're full of shit is going to hurt Biden, well I know where you've been.
I'm guessing Bernie does well with the non-Castro/Maduro Hispanic vote.
I don't think he should drop out. Theres no path left for him going forward but let them debate. They're going to have to unite the party and I think just ending it now isn't the best way to do it. And if Bernie just keeps racking up more losses across the map maybe some folks will finally change their mind on the electability argument Bernie is still trotting out there.
Actual protests are productive and we need more of them. Bullying people on social media isn't.
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He deserves to debate Biden one on one. I understand why you want this to end but Sanders has earned that.
I will say there is an easy way to end the Primary. Once Biden has racked up enough states Obama could swoop in and endorse. I doubt Bernie will go all the way until June.
What do you think all of the debates and primaries that have already happened were if not "chances"?
Haha yeah. The quote I replied to made it sound like it was about gay marriage and not marijuana.
If the majority of the party supports something that is increasingly popular beyond the party, would save 30 to 60 thousand lives a year, and would generally result in the US saving money in addition to catching up with the rest of the developed Western world... why should the conversation not end there? If we get a Senate majority and House majority, that's Democratic control, so we could potentially enact M4A because the majority of the party already supports it.
He needs to stay in til the debate. Biden has to show us the progressive wing that he can at least do that without issue and its a good test for the primary, nor is the delegate difference absolutely insurmountable yet so its part of the process.
Yeah, this confirms a theory I had that the Latino groups most opposed to Bernie in FL aren't really voting in the primary to begin with. They're probably I's or R's.
Bernie's probably doing well with FL Puerto Ricans who would make up a larger chunk of the primary electorate.
I feel like there are a number of people on my social media feeds who just need Biden to lose in November to confirm their priors. The "Bernie would have won!" takes for another four years are going to be insufferable if Biden does lose (though obviously, would pale in comparison to the damage done by Trump, which would actually be harmful versus just annoying Internet nonsense).
It's still very possible that Biden does blow it, but he's already shaping up to be a much more resilient candidate than Hillary. Not to say her campaign didn't flub or that she was flawless, but sexism and the decades-long smear campaign absolutely did a number on her electability. Summing it up as "Clinton was an establishment centrist and lost, Biden's an establishment centrist and will lose" is just confirmation bias, and Biden's impressive showing in Michigan should demonstrate that.
We really need to reform how we do primaries. Almost half the US states will probably not get to vote at all. Millions of us up in New York won't get to have a say and some of us have been waiting almost five years to do so. Hispanics up here would have shown some real solidarity.
damn shame
Literally half the country hasn't voted yet and there hasn't even been a 1v1 debate yet. I don't understand why Sanders can't have another week in the race at least.
Is there any justification for not just treating primaries like the general at this point? Just have them all be on one day so we cut this whole process down and candidates have to genuinely win and lose outright instead of having to rely on momentum and narratives across multiple weeks of wildly different states voting and shaping the narrative? You know, as opposed to Iowa of all places getting an enormous weight (it didn't happen this time, but in any other cycle it would have).
The fact that New Hampshire has a state law that makes them the first primary is so bizarre to me. Like, how is that enforceable or binding to other states? What's to stop another state from passing a similar law and being like nuh-uh we're first now
Bernie being kept nonviable in MS? How do you manage to do WORSE there four years later? Disregarding him going up to bat for white racists in the state. ...Actually, not disregarding that. Why on God's green earth would you do that.
I'm so tired
I'm so tired
Biden will net you Florida's 29 Electoral Votes come November
Sanders can't beat Trump in Florida
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