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Democratic Socialists of America pass "Bernie or Bust" Resolution
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You put nothing of the substance of the bill in the op. You are a bad faith actor.
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What a privileged thing to say. Some people won't make it another 4 years under Trump but your privileged ass wants to make another pointless line in the stand. Fuck off asshole.
That's dumb as fuck because the DSA is not significant at all by any stretch of the imagination to contribute to anyone's win or loss in the general. Let's be real with ourselves. Bad faith actors gonna act in bad faith no matter what anyone does. I agree that calling it the Bernie or Bust resolution is bad optics though.
Warren may not be a perfect choice for them but she would move the country closer to the goal.
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By that logic not fighting tooth and nail against a bunch of fascists is good for Democratic Socialism? Is this the 2010s version of "surely the proletariat will demand Communism!"
personally I would see Biden getting the Nom as the democrats accepting that the centre has shifted to the right. it will be by proxy endorsing some of the things the trump administration has done and personally thats not something i would be comfortable voting for either (uk here tho so i dont have any influence anyway)
You know who else refused to commit to endorse her Democratic opponent in the general election? Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.
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If you're not against a bunch of fascists no matter the circumstances you're with them.
It's expected for AOC to do it at the last minute when people are voting in her district, not forever.
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"privileged" nice argument buddy. Trump is a shit fuck yes but what good is having somebody who will work with the gop after what we have seen the last 10 years? We see it happening right now today with democrats only wanting to make tweets of concern but not do what they were elected for. Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results.
And DSA means endorsing a centrist if a Democratic socialist didn't get the nomination?
I'll vote for Warren or any other democrats to get rid of Trump if Bernie doesn't get the nomination. But don't bundle us with voters with an organization.
I'll vote for Warren or any other democrats to get rid of Trump if Bernie doesn't get the nomination. But don't bundle us with voters with an organization.
Then you are no different from a Trump supporter in my eyes. I'm voting for whoever gets the fucking nomination.
Again I dont see the point of your thread. We should get mad that a democratic socialist group will not endorse someone who isnt democratic socalist. No where do they say not to vote the just wont endorse them
Sitting out an election because their guy lost the primary isn't fighting anything, instead it will be the Democratic nominee fighting fascism without their help.
There's more to fighting fascism than just voting them out. Jesus Christ.
Details of the DSA resolution should be added to the thread, without those details this is simply misleading.
Imagine being so selfish and privileged where you'll stay home and not vote a white supremacist rapist out of office because you'd rather throw a tantrum.
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If the Democrats picked a homophobic candidate would you expect a GLAAD endorsement? If they pick someone opposed to Marijuana legalisation, would you expect pro-legalisation groups to endorse them? Not giving a specific endorsement to a candidate who doesn't support your raison d'etre shouldn't really surprise or upset anyone. Again, not giving an endorsement does not mean they're telling their members not to vote for them.
Yup how many people here have gone out and disrupted ICE raids? How many have gone out amd shut down local right wing groups in the streets? How many have gotten dirty and bloody actually taking action? I have and a have been for years along with my riding group. But hey im as bad as a trump supporter because i dont want to vote for somebody who will work with the gop. Some of you have lost the picture
How can you be a democratic socialist? Are those two intrinsically opposed? Even following the principles of the party (from what I could read online) the distribution of what is publicly and then governmentally owned sounds like a fucking Orwellian nightmare.
I'm not trying to shitpost. I'm genuinely curious if someone can explain this to me.
I'm not trying to shitpost. I'm genuinely curious if someone can explain this to me.
Might be overestimating there. It's unbelievable how any democrat could still opt to not vote against trump.
They know exactly what they're doing, this thread is just an excuse to do "You lefties are gonna get us Trump again!" shitposting as if we haven't heard enough of it these past 3 years.
Electoral politics is where a lot of people's idea of changing things begins and ends. It's depressing but at least there's still people out here trying to do more.
No one is talking about or cares who the DSA endorses. We're talking about the losers in this thread claiming they won't vote if Bernie doesn't get the nom, which is exactly how Trump won in 2016.
No one is saying that. Read the thread. We're talking about staying home because you don't get your way instead of voting for the "lesser evil".
What ? No. In what world did bernie bro not voting cost Clinton the election? Cause it wasnt in ours
Bad publicity, but Bernie's the only DemSoc candidate, so doesn't it make sense? Endorsement isn't the same as voting. Obviously most individual people in the DSA will personally vote democratic. There's nobody actually commanding them to stay at home and not vote. Then again the OP probably knows what they're doing.
I don't like the idea of staying home either but wouldn't this problem be fixed if Democrats nominated someone people actually liked instead forcing people to pick a "lesser evil"?
It's the truth. You're getting so worked up that a socialist organization isn't going to endorse nonsocialists. That's the truly WTF moment here.
Yup. DSA members have been putting their bodies on the line to fight fascism.
I don't care if the DSA doesn't plan to endorse a candidate like Warren openly, she doesn't identify as a Democratic Socialist. But warning shots just reinforces the privileged, zero sum mindset that turned me and others away from Bernie in 2016 once things got ugly and isn't going to help win over new converts when his message alone is powerful enough. Members can make their own decisions of course when we get there, but the DSA is going to hurt their guy with shit like this more than help.
Bernie Sanders have been a democratic Socialist for most of his life. Warren just starting doing lite version of democratic Socialist ideology.
Eh? Unless I missed something, no one in this thread said they wouldn't vote if Bernie didnt get the nom. One person said they wouldnt if Biden won, but that's it.
No one?! The demsoc resolution at their convention is literally the premise of the OP and people in this thread are mischaracterizing dsa not endorsing a candidate to mean their individual members will proactively choose not to vote.
The sour Bernie Bros in 16 basically campaigned for Trump by jumping on the Stein and Johnson bandwagons, who by the way got more votes than Trump won by in Wisconsin.
Which is commendable, but why draw the line at voting? Fighting fascists is useless on the streets when people won't vote those very same fascists out of office.
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