Democrats Predict Speedy Impeachment Inquiry Lasting Weeks, Not 'Months'
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There are reasons to prefer a swift impeachment: for example it'll be much easier to prosecute Trump for other things if he's no longer president.
Edit: also perhaps striking while the metal is hot and there is bipartisan support. Closer to the elections that may change.
Edit: also perhaps striking while the metal is hot and there is bipartisan support. Closer to the elections that may change.
its a bold strategy, while its good to strike while the iron is hot, you have to be confident that this will be successful, otherwise to make this last until the elections would be the best strategy.
Like what
a lot of these committess already had investigations going on
Gotta strike while the iron's hot. Our news media is a joke and stretching this out over too long will result in them looking for other stories and not letting this resolve properly.
Last I heard Pelosi was pushing for an impeachment vote before Thanksgiving, which would at least give it two months from now.
The fact that the administration has willfully handed Democrats pretty much everything that impeachment articles would be based on (the transcript, the whistleblower complaint), it's not like there's anything big they need to uncover here.
Last I heard Pelosi was pushing for an impeachment vote before Thanksgiving, which would at least give it two months from now.
The fact that the administration has willfully handed Democrats pretty much everything that impeachment articles would be based on (the transcript, the whistleblower complaint), it's not like there's anything big they need to uncover here.
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Those have been under investigation for motths but have been dragged to a slog by all of the stonewalling.
They don't want the central message of this scandal to be dragged down by other ongoing scandals and court cases.
In a 24 hour news cycle you have to strike while the iron is hot. The process is accelerated because the main parties involved already admitted guilt.
Trump literally already admitted to the core impeachable offense, and even released a document corroborating the whistleblower's complaint. Is there a reason why you think the process should be longer?
this is a very bad idea. if you don't believe you can remove him from office, why not draw this out as long as possible and do as much damage to him in the process. What are dems afraid of? If you really think he's done illegal stuff that you can prosecute even after he leaves office, why not do a lengthy investigation now? who is the rush for?
cool then the senate can vote to acquit him and all the voters will forget it ever happened by the time the election rolls around
yay?
yay?
We live in an instant gratification climate though, dragging this out until November next year would be pointless because unfortunately people these days have attention spans of a few weeks for stories like this.
ERA members with Trump supporting families are certainly going to be hearing interesting thanksgiving dinner talks in that regard.
The Russia investigation having so many moving parts is a big part of why Trump himself never faced any consequences for it. Here we have an increibly easy to explain crime that the perpetrator himself admitted to. They can worry about everything else once he's out of office and Republicans have no reason to spin for him.
Give people enough time to get their stories straight? Why? This is why the Russian one was hard to stick. They basically created a MCU that was too complicated to follow.
This is straightforward and recent. It's Harder to coverup, which is why they running around in a panic right now.
How many Benghazi hearings did we have before republicans found out about the email scandal? Now imagine if Hillary had actually done something illegal? The short process only helps the president. Especially if he wins re-election. You don't get a second try at impeachment. Do it right the first time and make it as thorough as possible.
There seems to be reason to believe the Senate won't acquit.
you think 20 republican senators are gonna vote a republican president out of office?
I guess there's also reason to believe I could win the lottery while getting struck by lightning
the only thing constructive this impeachment thing can do is keep his approval numbers low and make him an easier target to vote out of office and that's not gonna happen if you rush through it and give voters an entire year to get over it
I don't know what country you were living in for the past year or two. People did not stop caring about the Russia investigation. if anything, people were paying too much attention to it in contrast to other important issues. Rushing this. Limiting the scope of inquiry. These are bad strategies.
I agree. The Dems are still terrified that they're going to be punished in 2020, so they want to get the whole thing over with well in advance. Typical timid bs.
Basing the claim on stories such as this one:
Is there anything more recent that suggests otherwise?
Trump and the Republicans need a whole lot more than "the base" to win an election, in both the Presidency and the senate races.
The mushy middle is ALWAYS important.
If the public majority supports impeachment, which the numbers are rapidly climbing towards, then acquiting him is something that will cost them when election time comes.
Impeachment process is lose/lose for them UNLESS they can either turn the narrative around and muddy things, or if they can create fatigue in the process, which are both things they need time for.
The Russia Investigation by Mueller was anything but rushed and look what happened there.
I realize this is conjecture, but I think it's incredibly obvious that this "strategy" by the democrats leadership is just cowardice. They're just hoping voters don't re-elect Trump and spare them from making difficult choices.
The alleged rationale for this is nonsensical. They're worried about people's attention spans. for real? In a world where every night on MSNBC/CNN was Russian scandal night for two years straight. Now they're worried about people losing interest?
He's also just going to continue doing crime if he's "acquitted" by the senate GOP and remains occupying the presidency. So the work will need to continue regardless to protect and safeguard this democracy.
Not the same thing as an impeachment inquiry that's controlled by the opposition party.
I think you're really overstating how much a dragged out investigation will harm Trump, and underestimating how much the larger public tunes out the longer an investigation is. Trump has been marred and hounded by scandals throughout his entire presidency, and though his approval rating are historically low, they've also remained largely consistent. Dragging this would only hurt.
This is straightforward. There's no reason to drag this out once they get all the info they require. It's literally all there and they've already admitted to it.
They aren't bringing the other shit in it since it's too complicated for everyone to wrap their heads around, like the Russian fuckery. Notice how impeachment approval jumped up more with this than with Russia. You basically have to go to the board and draw lines to people's pictures like a crazy person to understand any of the Russian stuff.
This is straightforward mobster shit that he's done his whole career.
Idk. my stance is legitimately that we should've started impeachment investigations after the stormy Daniels thing (though clearly that was not possible). He has done so many illegal things in like 3 years and I can't say im happy that they're limiting the scope to just this one thing. Or that they want it to be over as soon as possible.
But okay let's say this finish the vote in November like someone posted above. good. They still got a year left before the election. we can agree that the public won't tune out for 2 months worth of impeachment news, but the idea that they won't for the other 12 months??? like they'll just remember it? wouldn't it make more sense for every month for the next year to just be another month of news about how illegal and illegitimate Trump is?
So they didn't impeach fast enough but now they're impeaching too quickly? What is this shit lol.
I don't get (other than bedwetting) why folks think a failure of the Senate to convict will somehow reflect poorly on Democrats. If they can get to impeachment quickly and in a way the American public can easily understand, failing to follow the constitutional process to remove without having any justifiable reason other than partisanship will look awful for Republicans.
The recent news cycle has shown that they don't have anything and are scared right now. Giving them more time only lets them shore up a defense.
The recent news cycle has shown that they don't have anything and are scared right now. Giving them more time only lets them shore up a defense.
Assuming he's actually removed from office quickly after the impeachment, you're gonna be hearing about him on the news for a very long time.
Haha if you're concerned there won't be news that illustrates how illegal and illegitimate Trump is before the election, I'd say you have nothing to worry about.
Yeah I agree with this. Use public support for impeachment to drive a wedge through Republican unity, and they will flee Trump. Trump is giving Dems a perfect window here.
I think we're losing the plot. He's not getting removed. I cannot imagine a scenario where this happens. But of course I would love to be wrong.
Even if he isn't removed, the idea that Trump isn't going to do more illegal shit over the next 13 months is laughable. He called the Ukraine the day after Robert Mueller testified to Congress.
Yeah I realized I hadn't addressed that scenario. I think he would still remain a permanent item in the news cycle.