Lol yeah it looks like they just put "jewish" before each category in the URL even if the article doesn't actually have anything explicitly related to Jews.
Did President Obama use the Steele dossier to open up an investigation on Trump?
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Lol yeah it looks like they just put "jewish" before each category in the URL even if the article doesn't actually have anything explicitly related to Jews.
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I understand and I've never heard of the tablet before this either.. but that media site I linked you to says they are a legit source.. I don't know how legit is it.. but I recommend people at least read the article
They are mentioned as factual because they use other news sources. Apparently their original work is less than excellent.
My point being a Jewish magazine with a section called "Jewish News and Politics" is an entirely different situation than in most any other circumstance.
The way I understand it, Obama opened an investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election, not Trump himself. Even Comey said Trump wasn't personally under investigation. It gradually moved from the people meeting with Russian spymaster Kislyak to Trump himself once Mueller took over and started looking into finances and Trump's firing of Comey and other obstructions of justice and obfuscation of the truth. That's just simply how I remember it.
The thing is, you (and everyone honestly) needs to understand how to properly, really properly think about a news source before sharing it. Mediabiasfactcheck.com might say it is legit, but they also allow random people to rank stuff. This unknown website in the broader sense could have had its own employees ranking it as legit. And as pointed out, they pull from actual legit sources and twist thing and ignore evidence.
Trusted sources are journalists who back up their claims with proof. Not very poorly researched articles alleging a deep state conspiracy. Because Obama would have once again had to be a time traveler to be behind this.
Tablet is a Jewish magazine, so...?
Anyway OP, you need to realize that you're being played for a chump. The FBI opened up its investigation into Trump's ties to Russia in the summer of 2016, long before they had the dossier (around the same time it was being compiled itself).
That there were inappropriate ties between the campaign and Russian operatives is so obvious as to be beyond question at this point and you'd have to have been completely disconnected from the news for the past year to believe otherwise. Anyone telling you that the "real scandal" is anything other than those ties is an idiot, a liar, a partisan hack or all of the above.
There is a great big logical chasm between "the president was going to challenge the legitimacy of the election" and "we're not convinced about Steele's credentials and the dossier seems kinda like the writing of these other guys who were already interested in Manafort and also the president was being briefed on Russia in August".
I think the mods should ban these sources from being linked on the forums to begin with. If this was true the gop will would have ate Obama alive.
There has been so many false allegations coming from the Trump administration and the alt-right towards the Obama administration and the Hilary Clinton campaign. I would not be surprised if this just add to that lists.
Obama has been the president of United States for 8 years and has conducted himself in a manner that has shown to be more than professional. I doubt that he suddenly had a brain fart at the end of his term. Right now, I only see another attempt at hearsay by the right. Just a week ago they were complaining about how Mueller's team obtained Trump emails.
Obama has been the president of United States for 8 years and has conducted himself in a manner that has shown to be more than professional. I doubt that he suddenly had a brain fart at the end of his term. Right now, I only see another attempt at hearsay by the right. Just a week ago they were complaining about how Mueller's team obtained Trump emails.
Also, this alone would invalidate the whole damned article. So much bullshit painted as fact, it's surprising the author isn't in the administration.
I'm still not sure what they're actually alleging Obama did here, in that even the timeline they propose isn't "Obama used oppo research to force the intelligence community to investigate stuff!"
They're claiming he got the report in August 2016 in a communication from the CIA. Because the CIA had the information and thought he should be briefed on it? Which requires taking the leap of faith that the CIA report was actually just the Steele dossier and not a CIA report at all, which I don't think the article actually provides a credible case for.
But if the CIA had the dossier already, and considered it something that supported the need for an investigation, and further thought the implications were important enough that the information be relayed to the president, how the hell is that Obama using oppo research to manipulate the intelligence community? They brought it to him, apparently as a legitimate concern.
And, frankly, when McCain got the dossier after the election he responded by taking it to the head of the FBI, so it's not like the only reason anybody was talking about it was partisan desperation.
So I still totally don't get what they're alleging actually happened to be Watergate-worthy; that the dossier started as oppo research doesn't matter if the CIA got wind off t and felt compelled to investigate, and I'm not sure what kind of White House scandal there is in the President apparently supporting the intelligence community investigating a document the intelligence community brought to his attention in the first place.
They're claiming he got the report in August 2016 in a communication from the CIA. Because the CIA had the information and thought he should be briefed on it? Which requires taking the leap of faith that the CIA report was actually just the Steele dossier and not a CIA report at all, which I don't think the article actually provides a credible case for.
But if the CIA had the dossier already, and considered it something that supported the need for an investigation, and further thought the implications were important enough that the information be relayed to the president, how the hell is that Obama using oppo research to manipulate the intelligence community? They brought it to him, apparently as a legitimate concern.
And, frankly, when McCain got the dossier after the election he responded by taking it to the head of the FBI, so it's not like the only reason anybody was talking about it was partisan desperation.
So I still totally don't get what they're alleging actually happened to be Watergate-worthy; that the dossier started as oppo research doesn't matter if the CIA got wind off t and felt compelled to investigate, and I'm not sure what kind of White House scandal there is in the President apparently supporting the intelligence community investigating a document the intelligence community brought to his attention in the first place.
Having read the article, it's a very speculative "deep state" think piece, alleging that reporters at the Washington Post and WSJ manufactured the Steele dossier (with the layup of Paul Manafort to tie it together) in order to discredit Donald Trump.
There's almost nothing about Obama in it at all.
The kicker at the end ("why would anyone leak potentially classified info to the Washington Post?") is kind of embarrassing for the writer.
There's almost nothing about Obama in it at all.
The kicker at the end ("why would anyone leak potentially classified info to the Washington Post?") is kind of embarrassing for the writer.
Actual journalists do a thing called fact checking, where protected sources are fact checked using other sources.
Actual journalists can't straight up lie.
I forsee a lot more junk like this to show up on era. People really testing the leniency, trying to promote shit knowing people only read the title and first post a lot of the time.
Then it's definitely something worth saying everyone should read. Jaysus.
I really don't understand what the basis is for the Steele dossier being *the* thing that has caused all this investigation. I feel like the CIA telling the FBI about all the Russia/Trump campaign contact and the Russian disinformation campaign were more important kickstarters.
The neutrality of this article is disputed
Hmmm comments on the wiki page like "They're unlike similar lists, in that all the entries are richly written and sharply argued" makes me think this 'magazine' may not be a bastion of independent journalism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tablet_(magazine)#Notable_stories
Hmmm comments on the wiki page like "They're unlike similar lists, in that all the entries are richly written and sharply argued" makes me think this 'magazine' may not be a bastion of independent journalism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tablet_(magazine)#Notable_stories
Is this sarcasm? Or are you saying the Donald crap is allowed here?
I misread you I believe. I thought you were talking about Trump news in general, but now I think you are referring to the bot infested reddit The_Donald.
That shit is absolutely not allowed here. Since I am posting in this thread I can't really moderate it, but I initially left it alone so perhaps the OP could learn about proper sourcing of articles such as this.
Trump is scared shitless as are LOTS of Republican and Russian insiders, so expect a lot more of this misdirection in days to come.
The dossier being the starting point for the Russia investigations is a right-wing/pro-Trump talking point that (surprisingly!) isn't true.
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I appreciate that .. my first instinct was to check the source .. didn't realize you can't use media bias fact check
Hannity would have given his left nut to be the first one with legitimate proof of Obama illegally investigating Trump. There is no secret conspiracy against the orange dotard. Everything that happens to him is of his own making.
Stopped reading at "manufactured collusion scandal". This piece is bullshit.
Troll harder, no one's buying it.
Troll harder, no one's buying it.
These posts reflect my read of the article. Even if you accept every claim it makes, it never even attempts to back up its first two paragraphs. I'm not sure its possible to read the entire thing and come out convinced that Obama had orchestrated a baseless, politically-motivated investigation against a political rival. The headline and first two paragraphs feel like they come from another universe.
I don't know why you'd make a thread about this article unless you didn't get further than the very beginning before running here.
The article starts off immediately suggesting the whole thing is a "fake news" attack on trump by saying Fusion GPS is the whole reason people suspect Collusion and how its all been turned around on non trumpers. So yeah this is about as true a story as the Easter Bunny.
Its basically a Hannity "Monologue Segment" turned into an article. Its all Evil Obama and his minions attacking Trump
Its basically a Hannity "Monologue Segment" turned into an article. Its all Evil Obama and his minions attacking Trump
There's actually a ton of things you can do to make sure you aren't sharing stuff that feeds into the toxic loop of fake news/alternative facts cesspool that is currently engulfing American culture.
This video with Christiane Amanpour is something every one should watch.
https://youtu.be/iU1bhHeCkoU
I'm am locking this thread now, but I encourage everyone to read up on how to parse the truth out and let go of bias.
Holding forum members to a higher standard regarding sketchy sources keeps forums from contributing to the post fact er we are currently moving through.
Holding forum members to a higher standard regarding sketchy sources keeps forums from contributing to the post fact er we are currently moving through.
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