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Digital Foundry || Forza Horizon 5 Hot Wheels - DF Tech Review - Another Brilliant DLC? - All Systems Tested

ILikeFeet

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View: https://youtu.be/Q4Tp9IoXycg
Forza Horizon and Hot Wheels made for a beautiful combination when the two franchises first collided in FH3 - but this new expansion is even better! In this tech review, Oliver Mackenzie assesses how ForzaTech engine's upgrades embellish the Hot Wheels experience, how the DLC improves over the original - plus there's a small comparison with the actual Hot Wheels title! All consoles are tested too, so while the Xbox Series consoles are the focus, you'll get to see how the game looks and runs on the Xbox machines of yesteryear too.
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  • the track and environment design is really pushing the game's GI system
  • One S features lower quality models
  • clouds are 2D still
  • tessellated snow deformation from FH4 is missing
  • the technical difference between FH3 is massive
  • the hot wheels vehicles from FH5 are geometrically similar in 3
    • rendering and material improvements are apparent
  • performance is similar to the base game
    • One S is 1080p
    • One X is 2160p
    • Series S is 1080p in performance, 1440p in quality
    • Series X is 2160p in both modes
    • dynamic res and 4x msaa
  • loading on One S took 1:50, Series X is 26sec
  • the PC's TAA fixes a lot of msaa's problems, but not perfect
  • no TAA on console, unfortunately
  • no in-game ray tracing reflections despite the original trailer showing it
 
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Rumenapp

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Stunning expansion, love it.

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LCGeek

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One the best GPU Crushers that scales on the pc ever.

The forest section or initial race is quite the way to stretch out and see how strong the harmony of your system is.

Until we get more games with path or ray tracing great examples of surfels at work.
 
Thera

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The scalability of this engine will never cease to amazed me. What a looker the game is even on One S !!!
But those loading times, man, that's not great.
 
DKMGT

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Why still no RT in game option for PC if they showed it in the trailer AND theres a mod to enable it? Could it be parity reasons?
 
Devil

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I'll watch it later, really enjoyed the DLC.

Do they talk about assets loading in being way more obvious in the DLC when driving on grass on the ground instead of the plastic tracks? At least I felt that way. The higher grass details 'pop' in way closer to the car/camera than I remember from the base game, I think. Playing in performance mode.

Not dealbreaking since you are mostly not on the ground. Just curious if I was imagining things or if somebody else noticed.
 
TeenageFBI

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We ever getting DLSS support? Now that the game supports TAA, it should be pretty easy, right?
 

LCGeek

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DKMGT said:
Why still no RT in game option for PC if they showed it in the trailer AND theres a mod to enable it? Could it be parity reasons?
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Same reason we didn't get FSR 2.0 or DLSS in some fashion with the TAA update time and resources. Think of what DF mentioned about console players despite the TAA hitting before DLC their version of the game are missing it despite the fact I've met very few people who would stick with msaa at this point.

DF covered the mod in regular FH5 review. You can youtube the mod just you will have to hex edit it and as this video mantioned it spotty as updates shift the memory address it uses.
 
Will Law

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That's a bummer load times are nearly 30seconds on the Series X. I guess I've been spoiled lately.
 
PJTierney

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Haven't watched the video yet but something I thought of while playing the expansion: Since the map is smaller than mainland Mexico, does it free up enough resource for Playground to "throw more graphics at it"?
 
PJTierney

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DKMGT said:
Oh, that initial "in game" trailer had proper RT reflections from other cars, kinda misleading no?
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I feel that game footage disclaimers need to be standardised across the industry, as right now some publishers consider gameplay footage to be in-engine only with no limitations on what cameras, audio and effects are used, and others consider it to be "anything a player can actually record" (which means cinematics and high spec graphic settings need to be disclosed separately).
 
DKMGT

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PJTierney said:
I feel that game footage disclaimers need to be standardised across the industry, as right now some publishers consider gameplay footage to be in-engine only with no limitations on what cameras, audio and effects are used, and others consider it to be "anything a player can actually record" (which means cinematics and high spec graphic settings need to be disclosed separately).
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Yea I was definitely mislead so I'm sure others were too. Agreed!
 
vixolus

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PJTierney said:
Haven't watched the video yet but something I thought of while playing the expansion: Since the map is smaller than mainland Mexico, does it free up enough resource for Playground to "throw more graphics at it"?
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Don't think so. Only real "new" thing IIRC from the Kinda Funny interview with Mike Brown was the "landbox" of seeing Mexico below the floating islands. Assets and quality and framerate and such all seem identical to the main game.
 
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