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[Digital Foundry] Grand Theft Auto 3 Definitive Edition Tech Review: Is It Really That Bad?
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Grand Theft Auto 3: Definitive Edition - the good, the bad and the ugly
We had concerns about Rockstar's remastering of the PS2-era Grand Theft Auto Trilogy - worries that didn't abate when i…
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I hope so. Maybe parts of this collection are more salvageable than others.
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Grand Theft Auto 3: Definitive Edition - the good, the bad and the ugly
We had concerns about Rockstar's remastering of the PS2-era Grand Theft Auto Trilogy - worries that didn't abate when i…
Not a good start. Will have to read/watch this later. Thanks for the links!
There's both way too much to cover and way too much interest to limit it to one video's views 🤣
Love the care mister Linneman and the rest of the team put in these videos. I'm not always into the nit-picky technical details (e.g. pixel counts etc) but they always bring an interesting perspective to the games they review. Looking forward to this!
Do you think this can be reasonably fixed via patches if they care?
I like the overall aesthetic they're going for. I just don't like that it's completely and utterly broken lol
There's a joke about breaking Betteridge's law in here somewhere.
When this thing was revealed you had a lot of people arguing for its graphics as going for a specific visual style. But I never understood it. In Vice City, Vercetti's model looks like a Ken Doll. That's a style I guess. But why does Avery look like they just took his PS2 model and dipped it in a bath of vaseline? Why doesn't he get the Ken doll treatment?
None of this points to any 'stylised' interpretation of the GTA keyart, it just looks amaterish sadly. Or more likely an overextended, overworked and underresourced crew asked to do something impossible with the time given
None of this points to any 'stylised' interpretation of the GTA keyart, it just looks amaterish sadly. Or more likely an overextended, overworked and underresourced crew asked to do something impossible with the time given
ooh boy, this gonna be something.
The games need a patch and I'm hoping that videos like this highlight the things that really disrupt the games... The rain in San Andreas, how fucking dark the game is if you have HDR10 turned on / Xbox Series X. A lot of the bug compilation videos going around dunking on the game are using a lot of stuff that was buggy in the originals too (not all of them, but there's a lot of them mixed in), and I think the developers might have a tendency to say "Well we're just preserving jank from the original games..." so I'm hoping some straight comparisons from high profile places focus on the right thingss that really need to be fixed.
What sucks Is I really love the gameplay loop of the original trilogy. Right now I'm playing through San Andreas because it's on GamePass and I didn't want to drop $60 on the whole thing without actually seeing it reviewed/etc, and had moment on Friday or Saturday night being like "Holy shit this is still an amazing game and this is pretty much exactly what I was looking for..." (playing on performance mode, contrast 2 clicks from the bottom, HDR off, XSX), and even things I knew were going to bug the hell out of me like the stupid far draw distance (blecht, still hate it, but w/e) and the rain, I thought, well, whatever, I can get around it. But playing out in the wilderness, the rain is so so so so so bad and is just completely bonkers has to be fixed. Some of the character models are just so bad, but the ones I care about... CJ, Kendyl, Sweet, Smoke, Ryder, Tenpenny, Pulaski, Cesar, some others so far, I think look fine, it's the minor characters (Denise, one of the girlfriends from Act 1), minor NPCs, that look really really bad, but I can ignore them or just not care, same with the bad AI texture work with wording.
But the performance and rain are things that... ugh. Have to be fixed. I'm hoping they do actually fix it, but I'm not feeling positive about it. Honestly I don't know how any developer *ever* could look at the rain and say "Yes, this can ship." Bad minor models? Whatever. Bad texture AI work? Whatever. The rain is so fucked up in San Andreas I honestly don't think anybody could play the game and not flag that as something that has to be immediately removed.
The games need a patch and I'm hoping that videos like this highlight the things that really disrupt the games... The rain in San Andreas, how fucking dark the game is if you have HDR10 turned on / Xbox Series X. A lot of the bug compilation videos going around dunking on the game are using a lot of stuff that was buggy in the originals too (not all of them, but there's a lot of them mixed in), and I think the developers might have a tendency to say "Well we're just preserving jank from the original games..." so I'm hoping some straight comparisons from high profile places focus on the right thingss that really need to be fixed.
What sucks Is I really love the gameplay loop of the original trilogy. Right now I'm playing through San Andreas because it's on GamePass and I didn't want to drop $60 on the whole thing without actually seeing it reviewed/etc, and had moment on Friday or Saturday night being like "Holy shit this is still an amazing game and this is pretty much exactly what I was looking for..." (playing on performance mode, contrast 2 clicks from the bottom, HDR off, XSX), and even things I knew were going to bug the hell out of me like the stupid far draw distance (blecht, still hate it, but w/e) and the rain, I thought, well, whatever, I can get around it. But playing out in the wilderness, the rain is so so so so so bad and is just completely bonkers has to be fixed. Some of the character models are just so bad, but the ones I care about... CJ, Kendyl, Sweet, Smoke, Ryder, Tenpenny, Pulaski, Cesar, some others so far, I think look fine, it's the minor characters (Denise, one of the girlfriends from Act 1), minor NPCs, that look really really bad, but I can ignore them or just not care, same with the bad AI texture work with wording.
But the performance and rain are things that... ugh. Have to be fixed. I'm hoping they do actually fix it, but I'm not feeling positive about it. Honestly I don't know how any developer *ever* could look at the rain and say "Yes, this can ship." Bad minor models? Whatever. Bad texture AI work? Whatever. The rain is so fucked up in San Andreas I honestly don't think anybody could play the game and not flag that as something that has to be immediately removed.
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Is there hope? Do you think they're willing to go back and fix most of the major issues via patches?
Damn, I'm glad I didn't buy this. But I still really want it. I hope they can some how fix it.
This one is 40 minutes and it was still not enough time to cover everything, lol
According to Rich on this weeks Patreon post the other two titles will feature in the same follow-up video. Both games seem to share a lot of the same issues so it's probably enough to cover most of the issues.
I never felt under the lazy dev rhetoric, so I still won't.
But seeing the frame pacing at 30 FPS, a very old problem, resurfacing in 2021 : I would called them quite incompetent.
But seeing the frame pacing at 30 FPS, a very old problem, resurfacing in 2021 : I would called them quite incompetent.
I am glad we wait 20 years for that.
well yeah I made that comment before watching the video :P
These 3 videos are honestly some great DF Retro episodes too.
Loving the Vid so far. Glad to see DF take more care in this video that that released within a week of release than GSG did for a whole game.
having modded the PC version it seems a lot better than the DE at this point. This release really hurts though. I wanted this to be great.
having modded the PC version it seems a lot better than the DE at this point. This release really hurts though. I wanted this to be great.
Glad he talked about the aesthetic and art style. This is exactly why I was arguing with people that the art style isn't any similar to the original.