I'm starting to suspect that whole architecture thing Cerny blabbed on about for hours and hours might have not been marketing nonsense. I would imagine if developers could fix the framerates easily on the Xbox Series architecture by dropping the res they would have done it up front. I'm sure they'll fix it eventually because Xbox has some really smart people working on the core tech.
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Digital Foundry: Outriders First Look: PS5 vs Xbox Series X/ Series S vs Xbox One X!
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The differences in lighting quality pointed out in Ahti screenshots is shocking. This looks to me to be yet another example of black crush on the PS5. Sony needs to fix this (and people need to stop blaming the developers as this is a common problem in far too many games to be a "developer" issue).
is that really black crush? it looks to me like one game has better lighting than the other, not a symptom of black crush
It's not black crush, the lighting is genuinely worse. I have a comparison screenshot showing that on Xbox an NPC is illuminated by the fire he's stood in front of, on PS5 he isn't.
I'm really surprised none of the tech comparisons have picked up on it as the difference is striking.
Edit: apologies for the window reflection, they were taken to show a friend.
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I´m surprised they haven`t talked about the differences in lighting. The PS5-version looks much worse in certain areas.
Here are some screenshots I`ve taken:
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Does this have anything to do with RDNA 2 differences between the two?
I have the demo downloading on both my PS5 and XSX right now. I will play the game this weekend on my 77" LG CX so see if the differences are as obvious as those screenshots. Considering DF has no problem pointing out frame drops on games on the Xbox Series consoles that last mere seconds on one part of a game only - this lighting omission appears rather glaring.
VRR helps tremendously with frame rate drops on XSX titles.
Possibly because it is not an issue for people with VRR monitors and TVs. I suspect it is a bit of a short cut for some developers as VRR will "fix" these issues and developers can focus their attention elsewhere (resolution gains?). I can only speak for myself but I have a monitor and tv with VRR and I almost never notice any frame drops.
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VRR shouldn't be used as a crutch, it probably doesn't account for more than a single digit percentage of console owners.
I have to imagine a simple resolution parity with the PS5 version would fix the dips on SX.
I don't think it's as black and white as you think, you have to imagine masses are less akin to noticing frame rate drops, and those who care would have high end displays. Clearly in this situation theres a visual difference with the PS5 version which I'm not sure why they didn't mention anything of it. Lighting looks off and XSX seems visually on par with the PC version.
Again, never a simple choice
Indeed, I was hoping that with the full release only a few weeks away they wouldn't analyse the demo as it gives false impressions on how the game performs.
Agree big time, VRR is nice but the vast majority of console gamers do not play on VRR capable display
Yeah the SquareEnix rep on Era already confirmed that the missing physics on PS5 will be fixed.
Game is still very much in development, won't be surprised to see issues for all platforms addressed in final release.
As someone in the small minority with a VRR tv, I'm glad for the resolution boost nearest to my native 4K display. Still shouldn't be a crutch, but it's a nice bailout if they don't care to nerf the res to get closer to a locked FR with an update.
Why won't the developers push for native 4K all the time if VRR was being used as a crutch? Don't think thats the case. Series X is already using DRS so the developers know the performance can vary. Its good that Series X has a way to mitigate the drops to an extent. That shouldn't be used to assume the developer's did not want to optimize further.
Seems to be a completely different tone mapping, one is desaturated and washed out, versus the other were saturation is raised to 11 and a boosted contrast. The lighting itself seems to be similar algorithm but not the same color.
HDR tone mapping bug?
I mean this particular dev managed to keep the frame rate up by using worse lighting and effects on the PS5 version.
Still waiting for Sony to do something about VRR on both PS5 and my Sony TV...sigh
Didn't the Xbox have an exclusive beta for the game? And it is also known that the demo is from a much older build. So there would be some performance differences. Feedback was needed, like the camera shake and co, but I don't know about doing a performance review on a build that's a few months old.
Dunno, but they need to do that and not chase some higher arbitrary resolution until they nail the frame rate when it's that close.
Not to dismiss VRR, that's nice and all but I don't have a VRR set. I'd hazard a vast majority of players probably don't either :-/
If I had a Series X I would rather keep the high resolution and the high frame rate, regardless if the frames drop a bit more. Better future proofing. Everyone may not have VRR now, but it's going to be more mainstream in a few years. Most tvs 2020 and on will have it. Also, if MS releases a better Xbox or makes some optimization changes, then no need to wait for developers to patch up the resolution again or make frame rate changes.
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PS5 has the slight edge by the looks of it, frame rate looks a bit shonky on XSX.
I enjoyed what I played of the demo, might pick it up down the line.
I enjoyed what I played of the demo, might pick it up down the line.
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yeah its kind of a balance,
like if every dev prioritizes locked 60 and work from there, vrr will basically be a useless tech for people having paid so much for tvs etc.
i wish more games do seperate modes,
40-60fps unlocked high res mode.
locked 60 performance mode.
no ones left behind.
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Once again apples and oranges. XSX gimped framerate and PS5 gimped visuals. Kinda weird TBH that developers release stuff like this. Surely they know.
They know what? They are releasing a demo for an unfinished product. The hot takes in this thread are embarrassing.
Exactly. RE3 was patched to drop the resolution for consistent framerates and now with Series X we can't have higher resolution. :(
Don't drop the resolution and keep optimizing the game, please.
You're right, I worry about VRR being used as a crutch for bad framerates and poor optimization.
LMAO. They just can't wait to win. It's not enough that they have the best games, they are market leader... They also want to win in technical capabilities!
I have played plenty of games where the demo and demo area ends up having way more detail, interaction, and polish than the rest of the game. It's a sales tool after all. I know I would be skeptical of purchasing a game with a really rough demo.
Who is "they"? What is this shit? JFC, this place sometimes...
It sounds like this demo is an older build as there are minor to moderate framerate issues on all new consoles and the lighting/tone-mapping has that weird bug on PS5.
I'd expect the framerate to be locked and the visual bugs to be patched in the final game. Probably only the resolution will remain as a differentiator between the three versions. Optimistic, I know.
I'd expect the framerate to be locked and the visual bugs to be patched in the final game. Probably only the resolution will remain as a differentiator between the three versions. Optimistic, I know.
It's running the game at a much lower resolution. That's to be expected. There's an argument to be made about potentially lowering the resolution on XSX in order to hit a consistent 60... But then again, VRR fixes that completely.
Maybe that's what some devs are counting on? That might be a reason for these differences. But in no way is this a win for PS5.
