Digital Foundry: Xbox Series X Backwards Compatibility Tested - And The Performance Is Extreme
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He didn't know this. I thought he was right and then I looked it up. Turns out I had forgotten as well.
This is how Xbox Series S backwards compatibility really works
UPDATE: For the authoritative take on Microsoft's new flagship console, Digital Foundry's full Xbox Series X review is …
www.eurogamer.net
You're right, I had a feeling it wasnt there and when it was it was complete ass.... I stand corrected.
And then it wasn't (PS3 to PS4) and they removed it (Second batch of PS3s with no PS2 EE inside) **removed detail I remembered wrong**
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Will you be this concerned when Hitman BC on PS5 doesn't hit 60 fps consistently too?
These games aren't enhanced at all. These are just raw BC games. No reason to worry about performance. It's got the best console hardware on the market.
Guess it depends on how it is being done. If it is software emulation then there is overhead involved. I don't know though. I thought the architectures were kind of the same but there might be some special purpose hardware that is being emulated here. Clearly given the raw specs a native port would be locked but it's also not far off from a 60 lock anyways (from watching the footage).
The implication was that this was due to the limit in the GPU BC mode.
What the heck are you talking about? There is no patch that disable PS2 hardware
I think it was mentioned in the beginning of the video, but it could be something a patch fixes - due to the fact that the games are just running in emulation mode - without and additional GPU horsepower being dispensed to it (It was confirmed by text overlay I believe). It could just be a simple update from a dev to push to use more of the consoles resources etc, but none the less impressive with nothing done to the games!
But just so you know, these BC games aren't using the full architecture of the next-gen systems. They are basically brute forcing it and depending on how the game was coded and what the engine is can have an effect and isn't indicative of the system's potential long term.
Let me tell you about this amazing thing called Game Pass.....
BC games are working in legacy mode – console is using all its power, but not architecture benefits. It's a VERY big deal in terms of perfomance
Microsoft confirmed this to DF.
And the current playstation leadership (Jim Ryan) has said shit like this in regards to BC:
"Why would anybody play this?" says Sony's Jim Ryan about backwards compatibility
Backwards compatibility support on PlayStation 4 is a feature many want, but only a few will actually use, according to…
www.vg247.com
Honestly this first class BC and the overwhelming value of gamepass is going to end up with me getting a Series X instead of upgrading my PC. It'll be way cheaper and my 1080/7700k will still be fine for pc exclusives for a few years.
Hats off to MS.
Hats off to MS.
I guess at this point I am not too surprised at them not showing series x games, because if not all of those are likely still in development even if they are close to being done. Some developers could put up builds for press to test now but that seems like it would be more work than it is worth given how close we likely are to final builds.
As to the absence of locked 60 on the quality mode in hitman on series x, I hope it improves and it likely will as we have seen with back compat 360 games on xbox one.
Inventing a person would imply that I'm lying, making up stuff. Is that what you're getting at here?
Hold on a minute, didn't you just accuse me of inventing people for argument sake. What exactly are you doing here?
What do you mean people are buying Xbox instead on PlayStation because of BC? Current gen games work on PS5.
Further clarifying my opinion doesn't equate to moving goal post. COD and FIFA are some of the biggest franchises, these games have a lot of casual fans that stick with what they know best.
Okay. I don't see a reason to argue against this. Not sure why you though it was appropriate do suggest I was inventing/lying.
How do you not see the contradiction in your post.
Am I being trolled?
So I'll probably replay TW3 on Series X, then.
If I remember well, the performance mode on X1X ran with an unlocked framerate, targeting 60 fps but culminated to 35-50 fps in several locations (Novigrad, the swamp...). I guess this will be an easy locked 60 fps for Series X.
If I remember well, the performance mode on X1X ran with an unlocked framerate, targeting 60 fps but culminated to 35-50 fps in several locations (Novigrad, the swamp...). I guess this will be an easy locked 60 fps for Series X.
At some point, with the combination of doubling framerates and auto-HDR, I can see publishers pushing back against this. It seems like it deprives them of the lucrative revenue stream of endless remasters with each generation.
As the platform owner could Microsoft just start adding support for older games without publisher permission? Maybe a clause they could include in their publisher contracts going forward.
As the platform owner could Microsoft just start adding support for older games without publisher permission? Maybe a clause they could include in their publisher contracts going forward.
Good to know the assumptions on these systems were mostly correct; uncapped framerate/resolution are an easy path for drastic improvements withouth any specific work from developers.
It's unlocked on every system, though it's also receiving a next-gen update in the coming months. One way or the other, it's going to look and perform better than it does now.
I don't think people should get stuck on the Hitman performance dip. That game is both notorious and great to use for benchmarking. It pushes the CPU hard and the Series X has to brute force it, in 4K, without using any of the architecture's built in perks and it rarely dipped below 60. We'll see how that level performs on Hitman 3 which will be a Series X game to compare.
If a remaster comes out, boasting better textures, higher resolutions, etc, then people that love the game will buy it again no matter what. Watch how many people scoop up this Mass Effect trilogy remaster or whatever it is. We can all play that shit on our Series X or S...we won't though. We'll buy the new fancy.
I'm going to be on Gamepass pretty soon, no question about that.
You won't see resolution improvements unless the game has dynamic resolution, meaning it shouldn't drop resolution as often when scenes become more taxing.
On the other hand Richard is hinting about the feature for the Series X to increase framerate or resolution without a developer patch. That is what is even more exciting. I wonder what's happening with that cause if it works that's a game changer.
I'm with what Yerffej said — I hope it actually just eliminates the "low effort" remasters and forces publishers to actually assign some work like much better assets, lighting reworks, gameplay tweaks, QoL features, etc — not just a resolution and framerate increase.
Because I'm still interested in paying for the kind of remasters I described.
I'm less interested in the ones that are just res bumps and framerate increases with the same assets. That SHOULD be free IMO.
Didn't CDPR announce a Witcher 3 patch coming to next gen consoles that would even add rest tracing? Or did i dream that?
For Hitman all those levels are being ported to III so I think it's better to test them there where thy can take better advantage of the hardware hopefully.
It's not like you can't change your mind. Set up some stock alerts for the Series X. I'm sure you could get one at or near launch. Personally, I had a PS5 preorder secured but I really wanted a Series X (mostly due to gamepass and the fact that my lack of a Xbox One gave me an instant set of new games to play) and when the Bethesda announcement was made I knew for sure Microsoft was serious about this gen, I canceled my PS5 preorder. I managed to get a Series X on preorder day but even if I missed it I know I could get one after the fact.
Its like dropping a newer, bigger engine in an older car. It will run faster than with the old engine. But with half the cylinders disabled and the same transmission, it won't run as fast as it could.
Really excited to hear about the automatic BC enhancements to classic games from 360 and OG Xbox as that's the main exclusive feature Series X has over PS5.
Quick question regarding game engine (im not a game dev so please bear with me)
The PS5 has less CU with higher frequency right?
Now my question is, how do game engines allocate the CU?
//example a, static value
var cuinstance = CUManager.create(52); //as in 52 for xbox series x
var cuList = System.ComputeStuff(cuinstance) ;
cuList.doStuff();
//example a, Max value
var cuinstance = CUManager.getAll(); // 52 for xsx, 36 for ps5
var cuList = System.ComputeStuff(cuinstance) ;
cuList.doStuff();
Again this is a gross and ignorant take at how it might work, if somehow any of this make sense, will the higher frequency help if the value are static using ps4 retro on ps5?
The PS5 has less CU with higher frequency right?
Now my question is, how do game engines allocate the CU?
//example a, static value
var cuinstance = CUManager.create(52); //as in 52 for xbox series x
var cuList = System.ComputeStuff(cuinstance) ;
cuList.doStuff();
//example a, Max value
var cuinstance = CUManager.getAll(); // 52 for xsx, 36 for ps5
var cuList = System.ComputeStuff(cuinstance) ;
cuList.doStuff();
Again this is a gross and ignorant take at how it might work, if somehow any of this make sense, will the higher frequency help if the value are static using ps4 retro on ps5?
Damn
It's not a perfect 60fps :(
I was really getting nudged to pay $500 to play Xbox One games too lol
If Sekiro ran at a perfect 60fps that might have done it for me.
Hopefully a next gen patch? They are supposed to be updating the game later this year.....
Are you genuinely suggesting that Digital Foundry of all places is not acting in good faith?