I hate it too, but what was the highest earning Fox movie of the year? Ford v Ferrari? It did well but it wouldn't have made much of an impact on these rankings.
Disney produced an unprecedented 80 percent of the top box office hits this year
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I hate it too, but what was the highest earning Fox movie of the year? Ford v Ferrari? It did well but it wouldn't have made much of an impact on these rankings.
Yep. There's nothing preventing say, WB from making stuff that people would rather see. And it's not like Disney owns Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, Pokemon, etc. There's still valuable IP out there that could overtake any of Disney's properties.
This is my main issue. A lot of the other big studios aren't doing a very good job at keeping people engaged in their IP.
That is not how it works.
Does Comcast have a Disney-like dominance of the box office? No, so it would be better for the openess of the market.
Disney bought both Marvel and LucasFilms, so it is clearly not a natural monopoly.
I mean
That's a terrible argument when a quarter of Disney's films in the top 10 are live action remakes
And several of them are rotten
Maybe you should spend your energy on railing on the system that allows monopolies to form instead of taking pot shots at X-Men fans?
Comcast is an Internet provider and already owns NBCUniversal. Putting more IP and avenues to control news/media consumption into the hands of a major Internet distributor with net neutrality in flux would be a disaster. I don't know why this is overlooked.
?? This was an either or situation. Comcast didn't buy them because Disney outbid them. Fox was gonna get sold to either one of these corps.
That's what I'm saying. You really can't blame them when they make good movies compared to the competition. I mean I wish the general audience would flock to see peanut butter falcon or lighthouse but they don't... they flock to the big blockbusters. Besides Disney all of those have been shit. Would you rather go see the amazing endgame or MIB: pureass? I really can't think of one good blockbuster that came out that wasn't Disney? Johnwick 3 but I don't know if that counts.
Would other movies be more successful if Disney completely went away? Like, how much more money would movies like The Lighthouse, Ready or Not, Climax, and The Man Who Killed Don Quixote make in theaters even if we got rid of all the blockbusters?
And have smaller movies become less profitable in the wake of these mega blockbusters? I feel like most of the "bombs" we hear about are from studios that go wild with their budget.
These are actual questions, I'm not well informed in this stuff and want to know why we are sounding the alarms.
And have smaller movies become less profitable in the wake of these mega blockbusters? I feel like most of the "bombs" we hear about are from studios that go wild with their budget.
These are actual questions, I'm not well informed in this stuff and want to know why we are sounding the alarms.
This pretty much.
I loved every single thing that was output this year - fantastic year for a moviegoer.
Because it is impossible for Comcast to profit from a Fox take-over without taking into account the international market where they don't have any dominance. They wouldn't be able to change strategy on FOX so big without alienating that worldwide audience.
megalomaniac conglomerate owning media unfortunately isnt suprising due to how the rest of our crony capitalist society works.
Especially due to how much disney itself embodies that system.
"oh but they make my favorite movies and such", praise the creatives in the company that actually make those things, not the company itself.
Especially due to how much disney itself embodies that system.
"oh but they make my favorite movies and such", praise the creatives in the company that actually make those things, not the company itself.
That better be a fucking five-star X-Men movie.
I don't like Disney's dominance over the market but anyone saying this year sucked for film doesn't watch films outside of blockbusters.
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"Other studios need to start making better movies":
- The Lion King: 53%
- Aladin: 57%
- The Rise of Skywalker: 55%
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If people truly think this they need to watch more stuff outside of the mainstream...
This is something I see a lot on this forum, especially on gaming side that mystifies me. Like when Smash Ultimate broke sales records, there were "congratulations Nintendo" posts and whatnot. The people who put in the hard, long hours get overlooked for company worship.
"competition" is a lie generally, in a system such as ours.
The modern strategy is to become a monopoly through pure influence and power and strong arming and then pretend your success is just earned by being better by everyone else.
People waste money on bad movies every day and will continue to do so until movies no longer exist as a medium.
Tbh Disney didn't even produce the best movie this year.
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The point is that people don't want to see actual good movies, they want the same mediocre shit.
Because if the audience was interested in seeing good movies, why Mad Max and Blade Runner 2049 did poorly?
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There are many companies that , for various reasons, I will try to avoid supporting (financially or otherwise). At some point, I can only boycott so many things and need to just enjoy some aspects of my life. So, while I don't like Disney acquiring FOX and would prefer Marvel / LucasFilms / FOX / Pixar to not be all gobbled up under one umbrella, I don't think the consolidation of IPs/entertainment is in particular something that worries me enough to go full-on boycott of. It's a bad thing, don't get me wrong, but I don't suspect you'll get the fervor towards IP consolidation in the same way you will, say, bad factory conditions in China or bad environmental practices of Coca-Cola's water reclamation.
The best Disney movie of 2019 is Togo. Didn't even get a theatrical release, it's direct to consumer via Disney+
It's really good
It's really good
How many of Disney's hit movies this year were even former Fox movies? The only Fox "Blockbuster" I can think of this year was Dark Phoenix, and that movie bombed. I'm probably forgetting some movies. But from my recollection it just seems that this year for Disney would've been nearly the same even without buying Fox.
Disney is looking to snatch up any IP that other studios have worth while. People were bullshit that sony was "wasting" spiderman might as well give it to disney, even though spiderman is one of the things keeping sony going. People were cheering on Bond going to Disney despite bond also being a tentpole. RIght now originals aren't the things dominating the market, it's sequels and known IPs. Hell look at the list of Disney hits this year, they're live action remakes of classics, MCU movies which are sequels, frozen 2, and star wars. They're basically making the same movies every year. You can make new IPs but that's a lot more difficult to do than using established mega franchises that you bought elsewhere.
I'm aware.
My point is that why bring up that Comcast at all when they didn't outbid Disney to buy FOX.
And I knew FOX was gonna sell anyway, I was a regular poster when the threads about the Disney/Comcast bidding war came up ad nauseum. I even supported Disney buying FOX only for the sole purpose that they didn't get bought by Comcast. But as of right now, that's not a matter of huge importance.
Kind of missing my point. You give an Internet company more tools to control what we watch with net neutrality in flux, and we are screwed. Imagine a world where basic Comcast internet covers Fox and NBC content but you are required to pay $20 more a month for Disney or ATT/Time Warner content. That is a dangerous world especially when Comcast is the only provider in town for some of us. A much more dangerous world than a media company staying in media (Disney). I want my content providers as far away from media as possible. It already sucks that Time Warner/ATT and NBC/Comcast are a thing. Adding Fox under that pile? Complete disaster.
Might be fine internationally, but in the US? Completely scary.
All of the people lamenting Disney's dominance better have to gone to see films like Us, Midsommar, Knives Out, Parasite, The Farewell, Booksmart, etc. There is great cinema out there, people should support them.
I saw a total of four/five movies I liked this year.
1. Jojo Rabbit
2. Parasite
3. Midsommar
4. Klaus
5. Marriage Story
That is exceedingly low for me as I typically can round out a top ten list easily.
Shhh... You will ruin their shitty justification that this is somehow good.
Fuck Disney.
You aren't gonna have Star Wars next year, or frozen, or a marvel movie that will compete with end game in the earnings department. Disney is set for a major regression next year. I don't think they'll be pumping out 10b/year in perpetuity. Not until they start churning out multiple X-men movies a year along with marvel at least.
If 55% is the lowest then that's in great shape. They're not pulling 20% which is disaster territory.
Anyways people go to Disney movies because they gained the confidence of the audiences after all the other good movies they made. If other studios were as consistent then people would flock to their movies as well.
Movie tickets are too expensive for most people to bother with non-blockbusters these days, so I don't think it matters much. Most people aren't deciding between Knives Out and Star Wars (although Knives Out is great and a hit).
The US is screwed on the short term. Which can easily be rebalanced with a good president that restores net neutrality. The Disney FOX takeover has a worldwide impact and cannot easily be reversed. It has locked up the movie market.
What happens when Disney decides that they want a higher percentage of the income from cinema's? Any chain that doesn't get Disney movies goes out of business? What happens when a media conglomerate is critical of Disney's business dealings? They are instantly blackballed from reviewing their movies, like the LA Times.