Wasnt there a really bad series bout this a few years back? I think it was cancelled before the first season ended IIRC
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Do Women Really Need Men? | The View
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I 100% need everyone involved in the entire pizza delivery system.
To be fair, using the state of the current world as a measuring point, men need to stay away from politics and the economy.
100% need that man so I can say "I'm not eating trash fire pizza. This one's healthier."
Community is important but I was speaking about personal relationships
I remember when Queen Latifah's character was asked on Living Single what would the world be like without men?
"A bunch of fat, happy women and no crime"
But seriously, as a man, the world would be better off for everyone if we could get rid of toxic masculinity.
"A bunch of fat, happy women and no crime"
But seriously, as a man, the world would be better off for everyone if we could get rid of toxic masculinity.
I appreciate that and will accept it. Please cuddle and talk to them daily cause they're good buddies.
This is probably true but I'm going to suppress it so that I can continue to think they love me as much as I love them.
I bet they are, cats will be considered sacred in the new world so you can rest assured they will be well cared for.
Do you accept faxes?
As it was written.
That's what I like to hear! Why am I actually getting hype for my own annihilation? Lol.
Although it kinda seems glib, I actually think things like this are really counter constructive, and honestly go a long way to reinforce gender stereotypes we should be moving away from. Thats not to say we couldn't do with less of the MRA/Incel types in the world. But I think talk like this really flattens the male gender role down when we should be opening it up, and allow it to move away from outdated gender norms.
I haven't killed any yet! But those flies drove us mad last year and a reckoning is coming.
We are just following mother's lead
Now now, no need to go into all that. Just sign here and we'll collect the cats tomorrow.
I saw someone on YouTube say this show is Andrew Tate for women. So true, misogynistic garbage all the way through. And people continue to react with exasperation at the idea of there is a crisis among young men, and others are even saying they "deserve" it somehow. Absolutely disgusting.
How many young men in this archetype now? It's starting to feel like the norm.
Raised in a divorced family lacking a father figure
No higher education
Can't find a partner
Cant buy a home
Can't raise children
And now, not only can they not find a partner, the opposite sex literally thinks they aren't needed? Let's just keep tearing at the foundations of our society, this will definitely end well.
How many young men in this archetype now? It's starting to feel like the norm.
Raised in a divorced family lacking a father figure
No higher education
Can't find a partner
Cant buy a home
Can't raise children
And now, not only can they not find a partner, the opposite sex literally thinks they aren't needed? Let's just keep tearing at the foundations of our society, this will definitely end well.
Is this the clip followed immediately by Homer stating, "Cancelled!" and then shutting off the tv?
Of course the show is garbage, but we should "tear" the old gender roles yeah. Men shouldn't be needed to provide, women shouldn't be needed to clean and cook, they should be desired as a partner.
Here's the thing though, telling men they are not "needed" is only exasperating patriarchy and toxic masculinity, who the majority of men are victims of too.
Take a listen to that video, where a man who opens up about their feelings is labelled as gay. Do we really need to wonder why the majority of men don't feel comfortable to open up about their feelings? And the fact that gay people are only useful for gossip too, you know, instead of being intrinsically valuable as a person.
And this comes from a very outdated perspective too. Back in earlier society, just as women were seen as merely homemakers, men were just seen for the monetary value they provide.
Now that gender norm is largely put away, where both men and women are working. People saying that men are useless or not needed now that women have jobs are missing the forest for the trees.
Tying monetary value of a person to their entire self worth, and an entire gender is a cornerstone of patriarchy that is used to control large swaths of people. This is just as harmful as tying a women's self worth to their ability to make babies. It's even worse as capitalism is doing it's rounds and is trying to extort everyone.
We need to expand gender, and masculinity, and everything that it means. A person's worth should not be exclusively tied to one thing, nor should that thing be locked to a single gender.
Everyone needs everyone in this world. Everyone has a place where they can be useful, perpetuate a great life, and sow the seeds for a better tomorrow. These women are literally cultivating toxic masculinity, that is making their lives harder, and making those better lives even more difficult to achieve.
cool, more ammo for the 15/16 boys to watch and then turn to the Andrew Tates of the world looking for answers.
to be serious for a second, the men are worthless commentary just perpetuates toxic masculinity, its a cycle. Women need men to be better is the real answer.
I hate social media gender war stuff. And I don't mean like the "fuck the patriarchy", "fuck misogyny" and "fuck men taking away women's rights" stuff, that's all good stuff, but like the stupid little debates about innocuous things that reinforce stereotypes about men and women being from different planets in every single aspect of life. It's tiring and does nothing but cause further bitterness and divide.
I didn't watch the video (can't right now), I was only commenting on the question in general.
While the topic on its face is rather counter productive, I agree; I also don't think that that sentiment behind it should be completely overlooked. Afterall, as has been pointed out, it wasn't that long ago that women did legally need men for certain things; and the society that was born from that still echoes today. The need to assert that women don't need men comes from a valid place that you couldn't exactly replicate by switching genders.
So while I'm not going to give credit to The View for a conversation they clearly aren't trying to have, I do see it as a window to a larger conversation.
Women of the world take over
'Cause if you don't the world
will come to an end
And it won't take long
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'Cause if you don't the world
will come to an end
And it won't take long
Jim O'Rourke - Women of the World
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Yup. Reverse the sexes in this discussion and this topic wouldn't be given any oxygen. The double standard is pathetic.
Perhaps generalizing half the human population isn't a useful metric, I wonder.....
Pretty much. All of the performative self-flagellation ("I'm a man and I'm useless!") is laughable too. I'm a man in a committed relationship, and — based on how we've grown — my partner and I need each other to thrive. We've obviously survived independently and could do so again if something happened.
Differentiating between needs, wants, surviving, and thriving isn't particularly helpful unless the definitions are agreed upon — but there are differences.
All that being said, Royalan (as usual when it comes to this kind of content) is exactly correct. Examining the historical context is important.
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