I'm scared of the rise of both white nationalism and domestic terrorism. I know media ain't 100% accurate all the time, but I would not take the risk of putting a foot on American soil as of right now.
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Do you have a plan B incase Trump does get reelected?
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I would prefer a European country obviously,but getting citizenship to one of those is not going to be nearly as easy.
English seems to be fluent there and has a reasonable cost of living compared to the US? The mandatory military service gives me pause on it.
This is obviously something i need to do a ton of research on.
This only when things get "back to normal" I'm willing to even consider a visit to the USA.
Sadly because it should not have to be this way.
Don't get me wrong, people are free to plan whatever they want to, I'm not telling anyone to wait it out. I'm just saying that if you're planning on leaving, make sure that you can stay in what ever country you end up in.
I'm just pointing out that getting citizenship can be really hard in some countries when you don't have a claim to refuge.
And things will probably become even more dire in the US, I have no doubts about that, but for people to start fleeing the US and getting immigration status it needs to get really bad.
This is kinda my position. Maybe I'll start also avoiding buying goods from the US where possible.
I did my part by passing on US grown sweet potatoes in local Lidl :P Take that Trump!
Well, you should pass by sweet potatoes grown anywhere, anyway ;)
Keep living my life in Germany with my GF who luckily left the US 7 years ago already.
When we first got together we both had plans to eventually visit the US for a bit but over the last years both of us have lost any and all desire to go there. Even my GF has just completely washed her hands of the country she spent most of her life in.
We both know there are great places and people in the US but we're just over it.
When we first got together we both had plans to eventually visit the US for a bit but over the last years both of us have lost any and all desire to go there. Even my GF has just completely washed her hands of the country she spent most of her life in.
We both know there are great places and people in the US but we're just over it.
I fled in 2016 because I feared for my life, if Trump gets reelected then there will truly be nothing left to return to. The fact that we are even discussing the reelection of a fascist white supremacist that has brought pain to millions and constructed concentration camps across the country depresses me beyond belief, and makes me wish I could close my eyes and never wake up.
Pretty good. But I was already planning to move when I was happy with the US. It was a thing I wanted to do since I was a kid.
Trump and all of the shootings just expedited the process lol.
When was the last time a president wasn't reelected, out of curiosity?
That'd be a painful 4 years.
That'd be a painful 4 years.
Not planning on leaving.
1. Trump isn't going to win barring a fuck-up of historic proportions by the Democrats or successful interference by foreign powers.
2. I'd bet many federal agencies are actively working on stopping Russian interference despite Trump/Barr/McConnell's attempts to keep elections un-secure.
However, if Trump did win again. I'm not gonna leave. The GOP is eating the country alive, but I still have a STEM degree in a desired specialization, which means my job odds are pretty safe. Things wouldn't be bad enough for me personally to consider leaving.
Besides, I'm young, and the U.S. will bounce back. We always have, and I'm confident it'll happen again.
1. Trump isn't going to win barring a fuck-up of historic proportions by the Democrats or successful interference by foreign powers.
2. I'd bet many federal agencies are actively working on stopping Russian interference despite Trump/Barr/McConnell's attempts to keep elections un-secure.
However, if Trump did win again. I'm not gonna leave. The GOP is eating the country alive, but I still have a STEM degree in a desired specialization, which means my job odds are pretty safe. Things wouldn't be bad enough for me personally to consider leaving.
Besides, I'm young, and the U.S. will bounce back. We always have, and I'm confident it'll happen again.
Choosing to go and do military service in Israel? That would be a massive FUCK NO from me, I'm afraid.
My girlfriend has a few good friends who live in Canada and since we started dating we've pretty much said we wanna end up over there. Especially with both of us being artistically inclined, living somewhere that actually funds the arts sounds pretty nice. Same with the legalized weed since Cuomo's taken his sweet-ass time with that.
We're not going anywhere, at least not until we retire. All of our family and friends are here. We are fortunate enough to have the means to move if we wanted to, and my wife is a medical professional, so we could probably get on the fast track to citizenship in Canada, but...we'll stay. Trump will be gone at some point, and hopefully we can return to some sense of normalcy at some point.
How old are you? If you're over 28, you won't have to do any military service. Pretty sure you can get out of it easily anyway though.
As an Israeli, I'm not going to recommend living here, in a practically apartheid state.
But, if American liberal jews come here and support anti occupation protests, actions and vote to non-Zionists, I'm not going to complain.
You can hit me up in DM if you have questions about living here.
The problem with those that want to leave is, unless you have a connection to the other country you want to leave to (such as dual citizenship), or have some kind of much needed professional designation, or are seeking asylum, it's just not that easy.
For a lot of folks, if they chose to move out of the states (legally), by the time they filled out the paperwork, got approved (assuming you do, and that's not easy either), and settled your affairs, Trump's second term (God forbid) would be almost over.
For a lot of folks, if they chose to move out of the states (legally), by the time they filled out the paperwork, got approved (assuming you do, and that's not easy either), and settled your affairs, Trump's second term (God forbid) would be almost over.
I've been saving up for this eventuality. Will I leave the country? Maybe, maybe not. But if my state votes red again, then fuck it, I'll move to a blue state at the least.
I don't mean to be dismissive, but what kind of situation are you in that suicide is a viable option rather than putting up with 4 more years of Trump?
Endless, endless depression and anxiety, being constantly drowned in negativity and hate every single day. What's the point in trying to tank four more years of this nonsense? I don't want to live in this country anymore if it proves it's that unsalvageable.
I lived in S. Korea from 2014-2018, I've literally told everyone that depending what happens in 2020, I'm either staying or heading out again. I have a dog now so that complicates things with moving internationally, but I refuse to stay in the US if that festering asshole is elected again.
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I just turned 26,but I could wait a little bit longer just to avoid it if at all possible. Israel would definitely be a last resort if things over here go south.
My dad lived in Tel Aviv back in 89, but I'm assuming things changed a lot since then. He never had his Bar Mitzvah and refused to go to Hebrew studies,but his mother was Jewish so that would be enough for the law of return.
I will definitely PM you if I have any questions :D
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My life hasn't really been affected personally. Just gonna hold out like always until the term is over and hope the next president is sane.
So, when Trump got elected everyone was up in arms about how the country is going to fall apart. Shits gonna be out to lunch anarchy and there will be chaos. Here we are nearly four years later and....the country just keeps putting along. Stupid decisions have been made and shitty things have happened just like in every other administration before but for the most part day to day life has continued on just as it did previously.
People saying they are "seriously considering killing" themselves? Even the thought of packing up and moving to another country? Come on. At the beginning of every administration people say it's the end of the country. It's all over. And yet....it keeps going on and on. My prediction for if Trump (does) get re-elected? Daily life continues on. Very little changes in day to day life. Four years later someone else gets elected. Rinse and repeat.
People saying they are "seriously considering killing" themselves? Even the thought of packing up and moving to another country? Come on. At the beginning of every administration people say it's the end of the country. It's all over. And yet....it keeps going on and on. My prediction for if Trump (does) get re-elected? Daily life continues on. Very little changes in day to day life. Four years later someone else gets elected. Rinse and repeat.
I'm not privileged enough to have the luxury of just up and leaving the country. Most people don't which is why I find these topics so weird.
I guess wealthy people can leave if they want to.
I guess wealthy people can leave if they want to.
Yeah but he's been stacking the courts and if he wins reelection Ginsburg will either retire or die and Trump will get to replace her. That shit ain't temporary.
