DOOM 64 |OT| No Absolution

SharpX68K · Mar 22, 2020

I had to dig deep but I found some Diehard GameFan coverage of DOOM 64 from 1996 and 1997.

Edit:

Electronic Gaming Monthly's coverage

EDGE and Next Generation

Ultra Game Players

GamePro

Computer and VideoGames

Nintendo Power

Ciao · Mar 22, 2020

Bought the game because my copy of Eternal is stuck somewhere until the end of quarantine here in France. If there's a code inside, I'll give it here.

Gush · Mar 22, 2020

Finished my run and I had a blast the whole way through. I had never heard much about Doom 64 before despite being a big fan of Doom, Quake, Heretic and just about any similar game out there, but this belongs up there among the best of the best.

Fabulous game and a fabulous PC version.

Jedi2016 · Mar 22, 2020

I forgot how creepy this game can be. The lighting and atmosphere is some of the best in the series, IMO. Takes me back to when I first played it on N64 back in the day. It was intense then, it's still intense now.

CatAssTrophy · Mar 22, 2020

Jedi2016 said:
I forgot how creepy this game can be. The lighting and atmosphere is some of the best in the series, IMO. Takes me back to when I first played it on N64 back in the day. It was intense then, it's still intense now.

Yeah I will say it's definitely interesting getting to experience THE moment the Doom franchise collided with the "true" 3D game world. I don't really like how small and cramped the levels feel compared to the old ones, but it definitely gives me a more modern "spoopy" feel than the old ones did. It would be cool if, with a magic genie wish, it was possible for people to make custom maps and campaigns for it with a level editor of some sort. Current day design sensibilities could take those assets and the engine pretty far.

Sub Boss · Mar 22, 2020

I played all othe old DOOM games for the first time last year after loving 2016 and i
prefer 64 to the classic 2, maybe DOOM 3 too, that one has some cool gimmicks but its nowhere near as fun as 2016.

Eternal =2016>64>3>2>1

blomby · Mar 22, 2020

Sub Boss said:
Eternal =2016>64>3>2>1

This is terrifying.

jefjay · Mar 22, 2020

Count me as one of those fools who thought Doom 64 was just the N64 port of Doom... After grabbing Doom 1-3 in the recent sale, and reigniting my love of Doom, this is great so far (through 10 levels). The level puzzles can be a bit obtuse, but the quick save/load helps.

The addition of achievements on Switch is a nice touch. After I get through this I might finally try that copy of DOOM PS4 I grabbed over a year ago... Though one aspect of Doom 1/2/64 I've quite enjoyed is the horizontal only shooting. That let's me focus on fun and not my terrible aim:)

Noisepurge · Mar 22, 2020

TheMoon said:
literally every preorder.

Except canadian amazon apparently :(

Host Samurai · Mar 22, 2020

I too have always believed that Doom 64 was some kind of remixed version of Doom 1 & 2. They all looked the same visually to me as a kid. I think I like 64 the best out of the classic Dooms. The guns feel more meaty.

Kyubajin · Mar 22, 2020

Edward850 said:
PS4? If so did you try restarting the game? Also what were you doing before hand? We've seen exactly one other report on this on PS4 and have less than zero leads, so any information at all would be... well something.

PS4 indeed, I assigned Quick Save to the Triangle button and would normally make a manual save of the beginning of the level and then autosave as I play along. Maybe used Quick Save too much?

Anyway, the issue was solved after restarting the game, weird.

Edward850 · Mar 22, 2020

Kyubajin said:
PS4 indeed, I assigned Quick Save to the Triangle button and would normally make a manual save of the beginning of the level and then autosave as I play along. Maybe used Quick Save too much?

Anyway, the issue was solved after restarting the game, weird.

Hmm. Did you put your PS4 to sleep at any point?

Kyubajin · Mar 22, 2020

Edward850 said:
Hmm. Did you put your PS4 to sleep at any point?

Yup, put it to rest a couple of times today when the issue happened.

jb1234 · Mar 23, 2020

I was having a good time until the final boss and now I think the game is bullshit. She's virtually impossible to beat without finding secret levels that are ridiculously easy to miss while playing the game normally. After thirty tries, I'm just going to accept I'll never finish this one. Left a very bitter taste in my mouth.

Mr Swine · Mar 23, 2020

jb1234 said:
I was having a good time until the final boss and now I think the game is bullshit. She's virtually impossible to beat without finding secret levels that are ridiculously easy to miss while playing the game normally. After thirty tries, I'm just going to accept I'll never finish this one. Left a very bitter taste in my mouth.

I killed her with the Super Shotgun back in the day roughly 20-23 years ago. She is not that hard to kill if you time your attacks and dodge her homing missiles

boredandlazy · Mar 23, 2020

Kyubajin said:
PS4 indeed, I assigned Quick Save to the Triangle button and would normally make a manual save of the beginning of the level and then autosave as I play along. Maybe used Quick Save too much?

Anyway, the issue was solved after restarting the game, weird.

I had that issue too. I was trying to make a jump in a level and kept quickloading whenever I failed. After a fair few quickloads in a short period of time I lost all my saves etc. A restart fixed it just like it did with you.

Also in regards to the game itself, the atmosphere reminds me of the PSX version of Doom. The ambient soundtrack as well as a lot of the sound effects are the same.

IlGialloMondadori · Mar 23, 2020

1>2=64>3>2016. I really do like 2016 a lot, but I like them all a lot.
Haven't played Eternal yet, but I will.

Blackpuppy · Mar 23, 2020

I bought the game the other day on my Switch and gave it a quick spin. For 5 euros, I couldn't say no!

I'd never played the game before so I wasn't sure what to expect.. But it's Doom! But different. I'm liking it!

If I could offer just one suggestion... When playing in docked mode, the motion controls are either yaw or roll... and I don't use either. When you choose yaw, the USB-C port is like a laser, so it's like you're like holding a steering wheel that's flush with the ground and you're twisting the controller left and right. With roll, you have to tilt the controller left or right. However, when I use motion controls on a Pro Controller, I hold the controller as though I were holding the Switch in Handheld mode. This seems very natural to me since I'm used to holding my Switch in handheld mode most of the time and it's weird to have to re-think how I hold the controller when I play on the TV.

Deer · Mar 23, 2020

So the Hectic level? Is that supposed to be fun? Haha, it's just bizarre. I got there on I Own Doom difficulty and it's just.. why? lol

Alex Connolly · Mar 23, 2020

Man, I'm loving this game. Just hitting the spot on all levels.

TheMoon · Mar 23, 2020

SharpX68K said:
I had to dig deep but I found some Diehard GameFan coverage of DOOM 64 from 1996 and 1997.

Oh sweet, threadmarked/highlighted!

Noisepurge said:
Except canadian amazon apparently :(

Contact them!

Blackpuppy said:
If I could offer just one suggestion... When playing in docked mode, the motion controls are either yaw or roll... and I don't use either. When you choose yaw, the USB-C port is like a laser, so it's like you're like holding a steering wheel that's flush with the ground and you're twisting the controller left and right. With roll, you have to tilt the controller left or right. However, when I use motion controls on a Pro Controller, I hold the controller as though I were holding the Switch in Handheld mode. This seems very natural to me since I'm used to holding my Switch in handheld mode most of the time and it's weird to have to re-think how I hold the controller when I play on the TV.

wait what's the suggestion there exactly? :D

I think the intention is actually for you to use split joycon, since you can even switch which joycon tracks the motions. Basically like a mouse, you know? You could have it flat on a table and just move your arm as if using a computer mouse or have it hang loose and turn your wrist like when turning a key.

Blackpuppy · Mar 23, 2020

TheMoon said:
wait what's the suggestion there exactly?

Sorry, it's perhaps a little difficult to explain in words, but I'll try again.

- In handheld mode, you're holding the machine up and near your face. When you want to use motion controls to aim, you're moving the console up and down and left and right, like an augmented reality app on your smartphone. This is how I play 90% of the time so my body is used to holding a controller in this manner. Here's a GIF showing what I mean:

- However as soon as I put it in docked mode with a Pro controller I have to completely rethink my way of using motion controls because when playing Doom64 I have to hold the controller flat with the usb port pointing at the tv. Here are the two options available in Doom64:

So, what do I want? See that first gif? Photoshop a pro controller instead of a Switch. Or like this pic below:

hoserx · Mar 23, 2020

Well, I just bought it on switch. $4.99 is a pretty good price compared to the nearly $90 I paid for this one on launch:

SupraDarky · Mar 23, 2020

jb1234 said:
I was having a good time until the final boss and now I think the game is bullshit. She's virtually impossible to beat without finding secret levels that are ridiculously easy to miss while playing the game normally. After thirty tries, I'm just going to accept I'll never finish this one. Left a very bitter taste in my mouth.

I was in the same situation yesterday, but actually you just have to save all BFG ammo for the boss which kills her very quickly, just run up close to her and shoot. The main challenge becomes killing the waves of monsters without it.

Detail · Mar 23, 2020

Level 15 on hardest difficulty, I find myself using the chainsaw a LOT because I run out of ammo and save scumming. I can't get past that damn room with the rockets, what do I do here?

cj_iwakura · Mar 23, 2020

Count me in as another one who thought Berserk ended when the flashing did...

burgerdog · Mar 23, 2020

So Amazon got back to me and said that they didn't send any codes out and that I need to contact Bethesda. Any truth to this?

TheMoon · Mar 23, 2020

Blackpuppy said:
Sorry, it's perhaps a little difficult to explain in words, but I'll try again.

- In handheld mode, you're holding the machine up and near your face. When you want to use motion controls to aim, you're moving the console up and down and left and right, like an augmented reality app on your smartphone. This is how I play 90% of the time so my body is used to holding a controller in this manner. Here's a GIF showing what I mean:

- However as soon as I put it in docked mode with a Pro controller I have to completely rethink my way of using motion controls because when playing Doom64 I have to hold the controller flat with the usb port pointing at the tv. Here are the two options available in Doom64:

So, what do I want? See that first gif? Photoshop a pro controller instead of a Switch.

Wait, this is you again from the Turok thread? :D

Deleted member 3010 · Mar 23, 2020

hoserx said:
Well, I just bought it on switch. $4.99 is a pretty good price compared to the nearly $90 I paid for this one on launch:

I still have my boxed copy as well, but I'm thinking about buying it on Switch just for the convenience.

Blackpuppy · Mar 23, 2020

TheMoon said:
Wait, this is you again from the Turok thread? :D

Haha, I think I know who you're talking about.. That person made that graphic I quoted. No it's not me. I think (s)he was wanting the roll to be reversed iirc... Which is actually an option in Doom64! I just want to move my Pro Controller as if I were moving the Switch console in handheld. That's it! :P

TheMoon · Mar 23, 2020

Blackpuppy said:
Haha, I think I know who you're talking about.. That person made that graphic I quoted. No it's not me. I think (s)he was wanting the roll to be reversed iirc... Which is actually an option in Doom64! I just want to move my Pro Controller as if I were moving the Switch console in handheld. That's it! :P

Yea that's why I thought this was you, the graphic might be a bit confusing if that specific issue is not what you're referring to. Might want cut out stuff that doesn't apply.

Blackpuppy · Mar 23, 2020

TheMoon said:
Yea that's why I thought this was you, the graphic might be a bit confusing if that specific issue is not what you're referring to. Might want cut out stuff that doesn't apply.

yeah, I think you're right.

EDIT: Annnnnd, edited. I hope I make more sense... And that there are more than dozens of us!

GenTask · Mar 23, 2020

Deer said:
So the Hectic level? Is that supposed to be fun? Haha, it's just bizarre. I got there on I Own Doom difficulty and it's just.. why? lol

Punishment for your sins.

If it's like Final Doom, they liked making punishing levels.

TheMoon · Mar 23, 2020

Blackpuppy said:
yeah, I think you're right.

EDIT: Annnnnd, edited. I hope I make more sense... And that there are more than dozens of us!

I'd really love to see someone actually hold and play with a normal controller like this using the motion assist, it seems extremely uncomfortable to hold and move with the buttons facing towards your chest. Unless you're playing sitting on a chair with armrests that support this position?

Blackpuppy · Mar 23, 2020

TheMoon said:
I'd really love to see someone actually hold and play with a normal controller like this using the motion assist, it seems extremely uncomfortable to hold and move with the buttons facing towards your chest. Unless you're playing sitting on a chair with armrests that support this position?

In the name of science, I took my controller and sat down on the couch to simulate a gaming session....

Now I didn't take a photo of myself... because of the quarantine, I am in my PJs and my daughter's doll house has taken over our living room... But I found this picture online. I hold it kinda like the guy all the way on the left, sitting on the floor.

(NOTE: I am unfortunately not as good-looking as him).

Melkezadek · Mar 23, 2020

Ya know as good as the graphics are in the new Doom games, there is just something so unnerving and appealing about the art style in the classics - especially in 64.

I'd love to get budget side games where they use sprites and this style of play. It holds up so well.

TheMoon · Mar 23, 2020

Blackpuppy said:
In the name of science, I took my controller and sat down on the couch to simulate a gaming session....

Now I didn't take a photo of myself... because of the quarantine, I am in my PJs and my daughter's doll house has taken over our living room... But I found this picture online. I hold it kinda like the guy all the way on the left, sitting on the floor.

(NOTE: I am unfortunately not as good-looking as him).

You're the person who play it like those people on TV do! :D

Here:

okita · Mar 23, 2020

Detail said:
Level 15 on hardest difficulty, I find myself using the chainsaw a LOT because I run out of ammo and save scumming. I can't get past that damn room with the rockets, what do I do here?

There are two entrances on your right and left from the starting room , go for the right side first, on your left there is a blue door. My tip is kill most of the enemies while inside the starting room and run fast to the place you want to go, it's not just the fire cannon balls they track you around too

Bastos · Mar 23, 2020

This is the best thread I've ever seen on Era.

eddiemunstr · Mar 23, 2020

Just got my preorder code from amazon, is there any way to quick swap to certain weapons in this version?

Deer · Mar 23, 2020

When is berserk good? I only seem to get it when going up against enemies where it feels absolutely worthless, trying to use it gets me killed in an instant

SharpX68K · Mar 23, 2020

TheMoon said:
Oh sweet, threadmarked/highlighted!

Hey thanks! I added more scans today.

Anton · Mar 23, 2020

Deer said:
When is berserk good? I only seem to get it when going up against enemies where it feels absolutely worthless, trying to use it gets me killed in an instant

Mainly useful for pinky demons and spectres, it can take them down in one punch and saves using the SSG against them

Xavi · Mar 23, 2020

This OT is amazing.

Deer · Mar 23, 2020

Anton said:
Mainly useful for pinky demons and spectres, it can take them down in one punch and saves using the SSG against them

But the chainsaw is perfect against both of those? Seems like it's mostly useless then. Only enemy actually dangerous so far (level 17?) are several anachrotrons in close quarters. And getting stuck on doors/walls. 😆 And skulls that spawn on your butt 😂 And the fast runspeed combined with ledges + lava 🤣

GenTask said:
Punishment for your sins.

If it's like Final Doom, they liked making punishing levels.

Haha, yeah, that seems to be it.

Ororo · Mar 23, 2020

Wait so this game ties the original time line to the new one?

plagiarize · Mar 23, 2020

Hey, this game is pretty good!

Edward850 · Mar 23, 2020

Kyubajin said:
Yup, put it to rest a couple of times today when the issue happened.

boredandlazy said:
I had that issue too. I was trying to make a jump in a level and kept quickloading whenever I failed. After a fair few quickloads in a short period of time I lost all my saves etc. A restart fixed it just like it did with you.

Also in regards to the game itself, the atmosphere reminds me of the PSX version of Doom. The ambient soundtrack as well as a lot of the sound effects are the same.

This is truly puzzling. I slammed the quick saving and quick loading over 50 times, I've even shunted the PS4 into rest mode while it was saving, probably the worst thing you could do, and it still hasn't failed. Is there some kind of error message or behaviour you get when the save system apparently failed or does it just stop doing anything meaningful?

boredandlazy · Mar 23, 2020

Edward850 said:
This is truly puzzling. I slammed the quick saving and quick loading over 50 times, I've even shunted the PS4 into rest mode while it was saving, probably the worst thing you could do, and it still hasn't failed. Is there some kind of error message or behaviour you get when the save system apparently failed or does it just stop doing anything meaningful?

Sorry, I can't really give you any more info as there was no visual indication as to when it started having issues. After doing what I'd mentioned before suddenly the quickload button (I'd assigned it to Right on the DPAD) just stopped doing anything. The quicksave button still said that it was saving though, but it actually wasn't.

ak1287 · Mar 23, 2020

blomby said:
This is terrifying.

Are you the dumb motherfucker who tried to brag about being some sort of pro-gamer in the OT?

Yeah, no one's listening to your bullshit man.

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