I feel like this was less of a problem for me when DQ (or other games) were just sprites or the models weren't as expressive because Eleven does smile, glare and emote, he just... doesn't talk.
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Dragon Quest XI S: Echoes of an Elusive Age – Definitive Edition |OT| 2D, or not 2D, that is the question (now available on PS4/XB1/PC)
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I hate silent protagonists. The only time it gets a pass from me is if it's tradition (Dragon Quest, Ys, Zelda) or if it's actually in service of making a player-insert instead of just pretending it does.
Byleth almost single-handedly ruined Three Houses for me (and the fact that the game is boring as hell did the rest).
I do love this game but that's mostly in spite of Eleven.
Byleth almost single-handedly ruined Three Houses for me (and the fact that the game is boring as hell did the rest).
I do love this game but that's mostly in spite of Eleven.
It's not about imagining yourself into a character or else they wouldn't have an intricate background. It's about delivering character development through what others think and do for you rather than the silent protagonist stating it plainly. DQ Heroes are seen and made through the eyes of others.
The silent protagonist works when you have options and stuff, like in the Fallout games, but the total silence is a detriment to the story in an HD title like this. Especially with those beautiful cutscenes. It doesn't bother me that much but it would be better if you could, like, either pretend your character was saying something or them being voiced.
I do enjoy the new ways they get around using the Hero's name in voice acted scenes
My favorite so far is
Also creative was
My favorite so far is
Rab sneezing when Eleven has his name officially announced as a newborn
Also creative was
Eleven's dad's ghost only using your name in text only conversation, and just calling him "your son" when speaking
It's pretty simple where I lie considering DQV is one of my favourite games and there isn't a single thing about it where I could tell myself that the MC speaking would have made it better. Hero succeeds and delivers so much because his actions are doing the talking, his family is doing the talking for him. He could talk for hours and they would have less weight than what we see and experience in the actual game.
Silent protagonist is a valid method, and it works well for Eleven unless you are in some kind of mission to see him cry his brains out every time a tragedy happens in front of him
Silent protagonist is a valid method, and it works well for Eleven unless you are in some kind of mission to see him cry his brains out every time a tragedy happens in front of him
Dragon Quest V had a similar thing.
When you are a kid you meet adult version of you who talks and when you are an adult you meet the kid version of you in the same situation and kid version talks.
Divinity 2 does this really well. You have a "silent" protagnist but you are making him speak sentences, which just aren't voiced, but written. So it works really well.
I also though Persona 3/4 did this really well. I felt like the MC was a real character because you had so many options of how to respond to the characters.
This game is so much better on Switch! Played in bed for 20 mins before sleeping. Super comfortable.
Not really. The silent protagonist thing didn't bother me a whole lot until I got to Dundrasil but then it stands out like a sore thumb with
Rab just nailing this emotional scene of reuniting with the grandson he thought he lost and Eleven just stands there impassively, stiff as a board, with a blank look on his face.
A few things from reading this thread. Went back and "reforged" some items I picked up like the ribbon for Jade, and now she recovers a whopping 6MP per turn instead of three. Damn, was that worth it. Also, reforged some of my agility items I picked up as well, and the platinum Greatsword. Hero's attack power is crazy good now, though I will probably transition to sword and shield when I get a few more medals and can get the falcon sword.
I also "reforged" the Academy uniforms since my women characters all wear them, and Erik has two pair of Robber+3 gloves to boot. Also, if things seem "too easy" I just don't do much fighting - I run through the area picking up materials, and fight monsters I haven't seen before, or that have specific items I want to steal from time to time. As for Tentacular, that was the fight with the power of Sylvando - he's amazing for boss battles. His Hustle Dance (and Oomph), and Jade's multi thrust made that fight doable at lower levels
I also "reforged" the Academy uniforms since my women characters all wear them, and Erik has two pair of Robber+3 gloves to boot. Also, if things seem "too easy" I just don't do much fighting - I run through the area picking up materials, and fight monsters I haven't seen before, or that have specific items I want to steal from time to time. As for Tentacular, that was the fight with the power of Sylvando - he's amazing for boss battles. His Hustle Dance (and Oomph), and Jade's multi thrust made that fight doable at lower levels
Wow
Almost 50 hours in and still loving this, it's addictive man
Um wow, I knew things were gonna go to shit but man things really went to shit towards the end. Pretty crazy how quick the tables turned. That cutscene :ooooo So that's why Jasper was so powerful that the party got thrown back into their default clothing lmao
Damn you Jasper. Also he's kind of funny to listen to in Japanese since I can't get Reigen from Mob Psycho out of my head.
Damn you Jasper. Also he's kind of funny to listen to in Japanese since I can't get Reigen from Mob Psycho out of my head.
Almost 50 hours in and still loving this, it's addictive man
I ran into this the first time today, it was going to let me buy something I never even seen yet in this playthrough.
It was a big deal in the original version when you get the recipes for the fancy cool armor but they require Platinum something or other and you don't really run into that for quite a while later. Just being able to buy it then and there is kinda lame.
No kidding as soon as he hit 17 I used a skill seed and got fuddle dance. Then I just reset the lithness tree so I could get hustle dance. Sylvando is indeed fabulous as a charater and in combat lol.
Also now that I'm at the casino I'm farming to hell and back till I get everything. I got the jackpot once but it wasn't silver spin :(.
You can't buy materials unless you've found them previously. Or maybe just hit the part of the game where getting the material is possible?
A few times I've been stopped with "you cannot get this yet" when trying to buy a material.
I ran into some items that told me I didn't have the materials even though I had lots of money so I assumed it's either super rare materials or I found a shop that sells it and it's just saving me a step.
Oh well maybe that is the case. I was in the right area for it (Gallopolis) but it was only located in a part of the map I haven't explored yet (the desert/cave in the back).
In that case it isn't too bad then.
The main character reacted via the tears in your eyes.
Yup, I've seen bosses run out of MP. So I don't see why not. However, as far as I know there's no way for you to see their MP well stat. So you'd have no idea how much MP (or how long it would take) for them to run it until it happens.
Unless, does the game have an Enemy Info Scan ability/spell later in the game?
I was able to buy Platinum Ore and craft the Dundrasil Set well before I found Platinum Ore in the game. This was even before I did Octagonia.
Not possible. You cannot even get the Dundrasil set until after Octagonia can you?
You can 100% get it. You can enter Dundrasil through the well as soon as you access to Octagonia and then get the recipe. I bought the Platinum Ore from the crafting menu and had the set before walking through Octagonia's gates.
Well, I'll be damned. Did you maybe speed through one of the areas that has it to get to an advanced shop or something?
so I did the bird fight as my last orb and wow was that trivial with Lv. 30s. guess that's on me.
Crabber Dabber Doo, Serial Quiller, and of course HAM SHAMWITCH
idk about a favorite name but by far my favorite non-slime monster so far is Cruelcumber and I'm so bummed there hasn't been a single palette swap of it in the last 25 hours of this game lol
Honestly people finishing the game in 40 hours are almost certainly rushing it.
Playing the switch demo and my god this game is gorgeous. Insane how this game looks in portable mode, but the game overall has a great art direction to reign in the graphical fidelity.
only thing to bother me so far is the beginning "damsel in distress"vibe ive been getting from Gemma. It's a bit off-putting.
only thing to bother me so far is the beginning "damsel in distress"vibe ive been getting from Gemma. It's a bit off-putting.
I'm pretty sure you can, yes. In general they do a really good job of making sure nothing is missable throughout the game
Damn the Jasper boss fight is freaking hard! Like tougher than anything in the game up to this point. I've died alot!
I'm not the only one, right?
I'm not the only one, right?
so did the Arboreans just assume that the Heliodoran entourage was just part of the gang or what? like, they had to go through Arborea to get there, and no one pointed them out or anything?
Yeah, he made me quit Stronger Monsters.
I honestly think the bosses from then on have been a fair challenge even on normal (at least for me) so I don't regret that decision