Wait, do we all just pretend like this post didn't happen?FF8 is the best of the PS1 games. In fact, you should always look to the even ones when it comes to Final Fantasy.
Wait, do we all just pretend like this post didn't happen?FF8 is the best of the PS1 games. In fact, you should always look to the even ones when it comes to Final Fantasy.
Wow! EZA are killing it
I would like to somehow see the quality of presentation taken into consideration when voting, as a lot of the smaller games get shafted. This is par for the course, but it would be cool to see the Allies at least acknowledge the presentations in their voting when they're particularly good. Ben is great at doing this.
Really all that needs to be kept in mind lol.First of all the 100 point scale makes no sense and never has before
Yea 9000 was always my number to hit and be comfortable. Allows for gaps in D&D, sponsors, etcThe most important number to me is that patron number. If they can get that number north of 8,000 I think a studio is a lock.
I like Trailer Jones, but I have a problem with how silly the scoring is.
Look at the last trailer (Smash): Brandon gives it an 8.9, Ben says he thought they were looking at a 7.something, Huber gives it a 8.2, Brandon adjusts it to 8.4 (minus 0.5 due to unknown reasons), Huber adjusts it to 8.4 as well (0.2 more, why!?), Ben gives it 8.9 (the highest score after having been the most critical and saying it was a 7.something), but he isn't even sure of it.
First of all the 100 point scale makes no sense and never has before (I had the same problem with the E3 conferences scoring), second, they keep adjusting the scores without any real justification and it just looks weird, third, there are no apparent technical parameters, it seems as if they just pick what they feel at that moment and change it on a whim.
Still, it's a minor complaint, I like the show itself.
I don't undertand this POV: it's the Hall of Greats (as in great games), not the Hall of Great Presentations.
The presentation should be an added value, not the focus. If a presentation sincerely sways someone to vote for a game, that's a plus, but voting for Myst or Pandemonium just because Ian and Don made a video about them is super silly, especially if you don't have a personal history with that specific game.
It's not a debate competition or an art project, it's the induction of the best games the Allies have ever played into a "pantheon" of greatness.
Well it seems absurd to me to put any thought or effort into the presentations whatsoever if this is the attitude. I think this is why Damiani wants a bunch of games to automatically go in, because if you bring a Chrono Trigger or an Ocarina of Time, they are a shoe-in even if the nominator just sits and says nothing for 10 minutes.
It's a show, not a Buzzfeed article - if they're going to put some flair into making it entertaining, then why not at least have them, for instance, rank the presentations at the end and have the one they think is best guaranteed not to get frozen for a year if it gets no votes? Just little things like that can make for fun additions to the stream.
I get that it's the Hall of Greats and therefore ultimately the best of the best should be in there, but I also think it's a shame that cool presentations can get forgotten about once the votes go in.
Sure, that's an actual good idea.Well it seems absurd to me to put any thought or effort into the presentations whatsoever if this is the attitude. I think this is why Damiani wants a bunch of games to automatically go in, because if you bring a Chrono Trigger or an Ocarina of Time, they are a shoe-in even if the nominator just sits and says nothing for 10 minutes.
It's a show, not a Buzzfeed article - if they're going to put some flair into making it entertaining, then why not at least have them, for instance, rank the presentations at the end and have the one they think is best guaranteed not to get frozen for a year if it gets no votes? Just little things like that can make for fun additions to the stream.
I get that it's the Hall of Greats and therefore ultimately the best of the best should be in there, but I also think it's a shame that cool presentations can get forgotten about once the votes go in.
I was going to throw out a "Cease this!" but it wasn't worth it :p
Everyone knows 9 is the best anyway
The most important number to me is that patron number. If they can get that number north of 8,000 I think a studio is a lock.
I haven't played enough FF games to say which one is the best (I have played a big chunk of VIII (End of Disc 3, start of Disc 4), finished X (back in the day), played a bit of X-2, finished XIII and XIII-2, I also played a couple of hours of VII and maybe 30 minutes of VI, but not enough to comment on them).
Yep, exactly.
Their current patron/donation average is still stupidly high. Great community, but probably not the most ideal position to be in.
Like, $8250 is purely based off 24 Patrons.
24 PATRONS!
Out of 7500.
But yeah, the income number is fucking fantastic. But stability should be the main focus. And Patron numbers brings in stability.
Hopefully they seize the moment, get the studio, get maybe more shows, or bits, or guests, or whatever, and that snowballs in more Patrons.
I get what your saying but that's the way the patreon is designed and I can't see that ever changing. It's the way most crowd funding efforts see to go honestly.
Well, not really. If i'm not mistaken of the top 100 patreons (by money), EZA has the highest average of money per patron. So they are the most susceptible to big variations every month.
I think they all did a pretty good job explaining themselves considering it's two of the presentors first real time on the show (I believe).I like Trailer Jones, but I have a problem with how silly the scoring is.
Look at the last trailer (Smash): Brandon gives it an 8.9, Ben says he thought they were looking at a 7.something, Huber gives it a 8.2, Brandon adjusts it to 8.4 (minus 0.5 due to unknown reasons), Huber adjusts it to 8.4 as well (0.2 more, why!?), Ben gives it 8.9 (the highest score after having been the most critical and saying it was a 7.something), but he isn't even sure of it.
First of all the 100 point scale makes no sense and never has before (I had the same problem with the E3 conferences scoring), second, they keep adjusting the scores without any real justification and it just looks weird, third, there are no apparent technical parameters, it seems as if they just pick what they feel at that moment and change it on a whim.
Still, it's a minor complaint, I like the show itself.
I think Ben meant that he thought Brandon was going to give it a 7, not that he was going to give it a 7 himself.Look at the last trailer (Smash): Brandon gives it an 8.9, Ben says he thought they were looking at a 7.something, Huber gives it a 8.2, Brandon adjusts it to 8.4 (minus 0.5 due to unknown reasons), Huber adjusts it to 8.4 as well (0.2 more, why!?), Ben gives it 8.9 (the highest score after having been the most critical and saying it was a 7.something), but he isn't even sure of it.
I honestly didn't see a lot of difference.
MrMette already partially covered how I was going to respond. When Huber and Ben talked about the seven range, they meant that that's what they expected Jones to score the trailer because he made it sound like he was going to be harsher for the trailer than Huber and Ben were going to be. Jones then decided to dock some points after hearing the others' criticisms. I'm pretty sure Huber also specified that the reason he changed his score was because of Ben's point about how Ridley's ferocity or whatever comes through the moves that they're showing.Look at the last trailer (Smash): Brandon gives it an 8.9, Ben says he thought they were looking at a 7.something, Huber gives it a 8.2, Brandon adjusts it to 8.4 (minus 0.5 due to unknown reasons), Huber adjusts it to 8.4 as well (0.2 more, why!?), Ben gives it 8.9 (the highest score after having been the most critical and saying it was a 7.something), but he isn't even sure of it.
I feel that hall of greats should heavily weigh the argument presented. There is no point in arguing for your game if someone else can show up with a ringer and provide a weak argument and still win. I feel like Brad's Chrono trigger win happened like this.
I feel that hall of greats should heavily weigh the argument presented. There is no point in arguing for your game if someone else can show up with a ringer and provide a weak argument and still win. I feel like Brad's Chrono trigger win happened like this.
Agreed. I do like the suggestion to find some way to reward good presentations— the Greats are the Greats, but good presentations are a treat for the viewers and an illustration of someone's actual love for a game.
Fair enough. I dont know anything about what other patreons look like. I was talking in a bigger picture sense, like political campaigns or charities. It's hard to get a grasp on how other patreons break down because they choose to hide there numbers. Just as an example kinda funny games has a $10K tier which would mean insane fluctuation if they ever managed to not fill that and they have less patrons than EZA does, 6342.
Fair enough. I dont know anything about what other patreons look like. I was talking in a bigger picture sense, like political campaigns or charities. It's hard to get a grasp on how other patreons break down because they choose to hide there numbers. Just as an example kinda funny games has a $10K tier which would mean insane fluctuation if they ever managed to not fill that and they have less patrons than EZA does, 6342.
I love Huber. Seriously, dude puts a smile on my face every day.
But docking points because it's a CG trailer kind of sucks. Haha. You really gotta look past that and judge it for what it is.
It's tricky to compare anything to Kinda Funny - not just because they have hidden their total dollar amount, but also because they actually have two Patreons. I'm sure a huge number of those are the same people pledging at around $1, but it's still twice the dollar amount than EZA are able to offer.
i do agree with lowering score for all cg trailers
all cg trailer may be okay as first reveal, but videogames aren't a cg movie form entertainment so if you keep showing cg sure you're telling me something with the trailer storywise, but you're not really telling me how the games will be, how will it play and how will it looks. if you keep making cg trailer up to the release day i'm not gonna there day 1 to buy the game
Also, those scores don't mean a thing. They are just for show, especially when Kyle is there, which I don't mind as I love his reactions to trailers, but it looks to me he doesn't like to score things (which is ok, I love when Kyle is on this show).
It's the conversation/discussion what makes these types of videos what they are imo (a bit like every review in fact).
I understand where you are coming from, but in the end it's all done for fun. Not to have a serious list of scores for trailers (at least, that's how it looks to me).
I think the scores are the least important thing about Trailer Jones...in no way are they given the same weight as review scores, and they're not intended to. I'm much more interested in the dissection and discussion. Everyone has different criteria for what makes a good trailer, that's what makes it fun.
I wonder what you mean by it being a bad position to be in. For them it's a great way to garner interest, they're expanding their team, bringing fans along. For us, we just get cool trailers, even if they might be a bit shallow for now. It might be bad for the trailers purists perhaps, but then even Jones is on board.I think CG trailers are bad, flat out and are only acceptable after it youve already shown gameplay OR if you show gameplay directly afterwards, which BG&E2 did show gameplay afterwards but they purposly obscured it from view for people not in the audience. What are they trying to hide?Show it or dont but dont half ass it.
They have also shown charecters walking around before but it's so bare bones that while its technically gameplay, it doesnt show anything.
I want to say if your game is more than 3 years away just dont show anything but with there whole space monkey program and artist collaboration efforts I understand why they have to show something. It's just a bad position to be in all around.
Was late following up on this but I would LOVE an invite HasneyThere is an EZEra Discord. Hasney should be able to get you an invite.
You have to renounce all ties with seafood firstWas late following up on this but I would LOVE an invite Hasney
I can do that...
I wonder what you mean by it being a bad position to be in. For them it's a great way to garner interest, they're expanding their team, bringing fans along. For us, we just get cool trailers, even if they might be a bit shallow for now. It might be bad for the trailers purists perhaps, but then even Jones is on board.