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Eiyuden devs won't commit to a Switch port, citing lower hardware and past troubled porting/development from other KS
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After seeing Bloodstained and lots of other delayed/inferior/not as optimised ports, I could believe it.
I'm glad they're being this transparent with it. You see it too often with other campaigns.
I'm glad they're being this transparent with it. You see it too often with other campaigns.
I don't really believe it. Team Cherry consists of 2 people (3 if you count in Chris Larkin who made the OST) and did an absolutly amazing port of Hollow Knight. And that game is based on Unity, which is infamous for mediocre console performance.
"Lower spec hardware" is more likely in reference to, eg, 3DS and/or Vita ports that were initially planned for MN9 and Bloodstsined. It's good for them to manage expectations now — if they find a NSW port is feasible down the line, great! If not, they don't have people bemoaning the failure to meet initial plans or promises.
They're talking about games that target higher performance machines that then have to be "down-ported" to Switch.
The title is not at all what they are saying. I'm not even many/any Kickstarters have promised Switch versions...
They are quite clearly referencing all those Kickstarters that promised Vita and Wii U versions with no realistic chance or intention of actually releasing there.
They are quite clearly referencing all those Kickstarters that promised Vita and Wii U versions with no realistic chance or intention of actually releasing there.
The only real frame of reference I can think of for this is Bloodstained. Which was treated like an afterthought, it was later Iga panicked and had to spring for Wayforward to try and fix their subpar port after they realized a huge chunk of their audience wanted that version.
Most western indie Kickstarters don't seem to have much issue with their Switch ports. But then most of them are smart enough to include the platform in their base project scope too.
Most western indie Kickstarters don't seem to have much issue with their Switch ports. But then most of them are smart enough to include the platform in their base project scope too.
Good to see they say it will come to Switch with obvious porting but asking for Switch 2 is kinda random.
I don't see a Switch 2 until 2022 holiday at the earliest, probably 2023. A Switch Pro could potentially alleviate the power gap but would have zero users day 1 so its kinda a non starter and likely wouldn't have any exclusive games outside of a random Nintendo project like on New 3DS.
I'm hoping Switch can deliver almost PS4 level performance in portable mode, or close to it, and ideally it has a foldable screen to increase portablility (one that folds without making a crease like those Apple patents) but that may not happen knowing Nintendo.
At the least, 8 cores @2Ghz+, 1.5TFs+, 8GBs LPDDR5 should be do-able by holiday 2022 or spring 2023 but I could be wrong. Would be great if they could put a graphene battery in there too because from what I've read (and I could be wrong) that can allow them to go up to a higher power consumption (so more horsepower) at the same battery life of previous models. So say instead of 7W, 15W but 3-4 hours on both. I could have misinterpreted that very, very wrong tho!
I don't see a Switch 2 until 2022 holiday at the earliest, probably 2023. A Switch Pro could potentially alleviate the power gap but would have zero users day 1 so its kinda a non starter and likely wouldn't have any exclusive games outside of a random Nintendo project like on New 3DS.
I'm hoping Switch can deliver almost PS4 level performance in portable mode, or close to it, and ideally it has a foldable screen to increase portablility (one that folds without making a crease like those Apple patents) but that may not happen knowing Nintendo.
At the least, 8 cores @2Ghz+, 1.5TFs+, 8GBs LPDDR5 should be do-able by holiday 2022 or spring 2023 but I could be wrong. Would be great if they could put a graphene battery in there too because from what I've read (and I could be wrong) that can allow them to go up to a higher power consumption (so more horsepower) at the same battery life of previous models. So say instead of 7W, 15W but 3-4 hours on both. I could have misinterpreted that very, very wrong tho!
They are quite obviously talking about 3D games. A game like Hollow Knight would be incredibly easy to port, relatively speaking. Games featuring 3D art are another beast entirely.
Also as a note, Unity has improved a lot on consoles.
No they are quite obviously talking about kickstarters that had as extra goal 3DS/Vita/Wii U. I can't think of any "major Japanese crowdfunded campaign" that had Switch as as extra goal (excluding Bloodstained that was a shit show because Switch was an afterthought even though most supporters wanted a Switch version).
If that's not what they're saying, i think they need to reword the post. It reads to me like a switch port is exactly what they are referring to. If they weren't, why would they not promise a switch version, then explicitly say they hope there's a switch 2 that they can bring it to?
In this context they are obviously talking about Switch version.
This feels like baiting for Switch users to invest in the kickstarter with the promise of maybe a port to next console.
Common sense the thread xD Of course it's gonna be easier to bring the game to a more powerful Switch 2 compared to the OG Switch.
Feel like they've been pretty clear with the messaging from the start - especially when this game might not be out for 2 or 3 years.
Though looking at the game and screens - it doesn't really look like something that would be impossible to run on Switch especially when it's part of the initial development plans. Seems a bit weird...but who knows how things will shape up. Regardless of a more powerful system you would think they would like to target the 100m OG Switch owners compared to whatever install base a Switch 2 would have.
Developing for Switch and up porting to other systems doesn't seem like an option for them.
They def. wanna attract that audience but not the console lol.
Feel like they've been pretty clear with the messaging from the start - especially when this game might not be out for 2 or 3 years.
Though looking at the game and screens - it doesn't really look like something that would be impossible to run on Switch especially when it's part of the initial development plans. Seems a bit weird...but who knows how things will shape up. Regardless of a more powerful system you would think they would like to target the 100m OG Switch owners compared to whatever install base a Switch 2 would have.
Developing for Switch and up porting to other systems doesn't seem like an option for them.
Weird that they are even mentioning the console when they are obviously not interested in targeting the Switch specs with this game.
They def. wanna attract that audience but not the console lol.
There's a difference in complexity between a metroidvania and a full blown rpg. Not counting all the other variables such as 2D and 3D graphics, animations etc
And those plattforms won't have any issue running a game developed for Switch.
It still baffles me that Bloodstained didn't target switch to begin with and make improvements in textures and whathaveyou for the other platforms based on that. The igavanias had been almost entirely Nintendo exclusive for a long time already at that point.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is to be a spiritual suikoden sequel right?
I don't know why you'd assume for a franchise that as far as I can tell, has its roots in playstation history, the audience would be on Nintendo hardware in this case.
They're not promising a Switch version for their project but "porting game to Switch cost have been too expensive" is not accurate because they are basing it on past examples of lower specced hardware and as I said I'm not even sure there's been many Kickstarters which offered Switch versions at this point?
I mean they are making their own game so I assume they know what they are talking about when they say that they feel like Switch version could be a problem for them cost wise.
I understand not developing for the Nintendo Switch if they believe the game will be out by the time the Switch successor is out/will be out soon.
What wouldn't make sense is them stating that making a Switch version would be too expensive. If that is the case, why not set the Nintendo Switch version of the game at a higher threshold, so that if it is met, the Switch version is made, but that it also takes into account the development costs for a Switch version?
What wouldn't make sense is them stating that making a Switch version would be too expensive. If that is the case, why not set the Nintendo Switch version of the game at a higher threshold, so that if it is met, the Switch version is made, but that it also takes into account the development costs for a Switch version?
I'm not arguing that, but the the wording of this title is inaccurate to what they have actually said.
Not a good example:
HK DONE QUICK! OVER 100,000 SOLD! ART! PIZZA! THUMBS UP! — Team Cherry
Buckle in Gang! This is a big one.
teamcherry.com.au
Might not be feasible for other companies to do something like this.
You are missing the point. The title Of this thead says they said Switch version porting has been too expensive in all Japanese kickstarters, while the passage shown is talking about lower power hardware in general.
Because then you'll have people bitching about holding a switch version hostage.
In the west they've generally led sales on Switch. Most are AA and midsize efforts though, we don't really have a point for comparison on things like FFXV or KH3.
Does that matter though?
I don't think the origin of the developer should have much bearing on the effort required.
Dude, I'm trying to express that using a 2D sprite-based game as an example to demonstrate that they're not telling the truth is wrong (the guy I replied to literally said he didn't believe them). The difference in difficulty of porting a 2D game like Hollow Knight compared to porting 3D games like Bloodstained or Mighty No. 9 to lower spec hardware cannot be understated.
I remember when the Switch just came out people started talking about how easy it was to port games to the Switch, stating that it wouldn't take more than 2 weeks (?) for a direct unoptimized port. Shortly after that Sumo had Snake Pass playable on Switch within 4 days. What happened to this? Obviously different engines take different methods to be ported, but we've seen very small teams port their games without any problems.
Ah ok. For the record I don't think they are not saying the truth, it's just that what they are saying is not what the thread title is saying... :-) The implications of what they are saying though are indeed for the Switch version of their game.
This is clearly a team where even the Switch 2 will be an afterthought. It is nice that they are being transparent about it, but it is clear that people who are interested in playing only on Switch/Switch 2 should stay away from this kickstarter. Any Switch only player that does not ignore this campaign is ignoring the writing on the wall.
probably the devs trying to aim higher with higher end games. The Witcher 3 took a year to port and a lot of modifications to the engine to get around the Switch's limitations
I agree but it's clear they don't want to compromise their vision to the extent possible so I get why they're not treating the Switch as a baseline.
There's definitely a huge JRPG market on the Switch, I didn't mean to imply otherwise. I was just responding to the idea that the Switch is the ONLY JRPG market when we have so many recent examples demonstrating the opposite for PS4 and PC.
Yeah, this is the reality of it. I feel like by the time this comes out PS4 and XBO versions probably get cut.
Yeah, for their game it's naturally about the Switch! Don't disagree with you there! Sorry if I sounded a bit heated for a sec. <3
Whilst true it's funny that the game they namedropped(Octopath Traveler) as an influence in terms of visual style and showing JRPGs are viable is a Switch game first and foremost.
Yeah, they did an astounding job with the port, but they took like an extra year of development time to optimize performance and made sure it was great. Luckily they had the bandwidth to take on such a task and the results were great, but to hand wave away what was surely a significant undertaking seems both unfair to the Hollow Knight devs, and the devs here.
Yes and it basically consist of rewriting the whole game. Which is the point of what he is saying.
And Hollow Knight is mostly an exception with Ori.
And remember those two games already had a huge success commercially. So making a port when you already have the money isn't the same.
At least if those versions do get made they would run on PS5/XSX anyway due to BC.
This mostly comes down to what tools/development SW they want to use and how long those offer support for current gen consoles.
Don't know why specifically mention Switch in the title...
They mention "lower spec" which right now means Switch, but previously meant 3DS, Vita and Wii U. And it's obvious too. Look at Mighty No.9 and not only the disaster it was, but the 3DS and Vita versions were never released. Or more recently Bloodstained, were they cancelled the Wii U and Vita versions in favor of a Switch version that ended with a ton of problems at launch.
So yeah, this is nothing new and not specific to Switch.
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They mention "lower spec" which right now means Switch, but previously meant 3DS, Vita and Wii U. And it's obvious too. Look at Mighty No.9 and not only the disaster it was, but the 3DS and Vita versions were never released. Or more recently Bloodstained, were they cancelled the Wii U and Vita versions in favor of a Switch version that ended with a ton of problems at launch.
So yeah, this is nothing new and not specific to Switch.
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