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To be honest, I think a big reason is the marketing. I felt like the game was announced and in a blink of an eye the next thing I knew it was released, which is saying a LOT considering how few big games are releasing right now.
probably will eventually. Embracer on the whole are very much a backlog company with a few solid sellers, and massive hits that blow everything else away in a year. rn Coffee Stain has been having the biggest releases, because they release underpriced for what is on offer, and quickly amass legions of fans. see: Valheim, Deep Rock Galactic.
Saint's Row probably wasn't going to be the latter when it had such prevalent bugs at launch. would've sold much better without those considering the lack of other AAA releases at the time, but that's obvious.
what I am curious of, is if they view the Epic payout as having been worth it for the PC release. and I also wonder if they will invest in patching heavily so that this can do better when it rereleases on Steam.
Saint's Row probably wasn't going to be the latter when it had such prevalent bugs at launch. would've sold much better without those considering the lack of other AAA releases at the time, but that's obvious.
what I am curious of, is if they view the Epic payout as having been worth it for the PC release. and I also wonder if they will invest in patching heavily so that this can do better when it rereleases on Steam.
The game is extremely fun. Check out the OT - most people seem to be enjoying it.
Thanks. I was unsure if they were just referring to critical reception or not. Since they said they were confident the game would make money. Their statement on the future of the franchise felt unclear to me, like they were still deliberating on what to do with it.
Well they did have five years lol.
IMO, it's not so much glitches but this:
Its almost the same thing Crackdown 3 was dinged for.
...but I liked Crackdown 3 more than the Saints Row reboot...
Part of me has this expectation that Embracer will chose to have Volition pivot and focus on a new Red Faction rather than provide long term support for Saints Row 2022. I mean, Embracer doesn't have a big FPS franchise right now, do they? I figure that a Red Faction reboot would be a good place to start for them.
It looked like SR3 with nicer graphics. No cool abilities or superpowers is what chased me off from buying it. I can't go back to slapstick gta after you gave me amazing super powers guys
It's wild. I spent about 70 hours in this game, finishing the story and doing most of the optional activities, and I had fun.
Sure it's not a game of the year, but it was well worth the asking price and my time.
Sure it's not a game of the year, but it was well worth the asking price and my time.
I've sadly just been burned one too many times recently by grabbing a game I was excited for at release only to have it be buggy and have game breaking bugs. (Looking at you Cult of the Lamb) When word started going around that this was coming in hot, I figured I'd wait and give it a few patches before pulling the trigger. Seems like the first of those patches dropped recently?
I'm enjoying the game on Xbox but on every game session I found a variety of bugs of different severity and even progression blockers that require looking up workarounds.
I think, writing-wise and tone-wise, its my favourite entry in the entire saga so far, and I'm having great fun, but it angers me that:
I think, writing-wise and tone-wise, its my favourite entry in the entire saga so far, and I'm having great fun, but it angers me that:
- The game launched so unfinished.
- The game has such poor performance.
- The game launched as an Epic exclusive (ended up buying on Xbox to avoid this).
- The game's tone, premise and diversity were so criticized. I am enjoying it a lot and really don't get the outrage.
I feel like that would make even less money than Saints Row. Both Red Faction Guerrilla and Armageddon underperformed enough that Thq announced formally they wouldn't make any more of them. I can't see Embracer bringing the series back as anything near AAA.
Red Faction franchise won't continue 'in any meaningful way'
Red Faction: Armageddon has signaled the end of not just a familiar red planet, but an entire, transmedia universe. Speaking during an investor call this evening, THQ CEO Brian Farrell described the franchise's reach as "niche," and consequently no longer worth pursuing. "Given that that title...
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Nah, try the opposite
people pearl clutched that the game was getting "bullied"
I think the problem is that you have such a divided fan base.
"Hardcore" fans ironically wouldn't care if the gameplay was ass if the story was about "serious gangsters" like in SR2, even though it was full of humor and very silly stuff. There are people on the subreddit saying SR1 is better than the new game, solely because of the story.
You then have the more modern fans of 3 and 4, and they wanted it to get even more outrageous, so dialing it back reduced their interest.
The game is a blend between 2 and 3 for me, which I love, but sadly seems to have lost the people that only loved 1+2 or only 3+4
"Hardcore" fans ironically wouldn't care if the gameplay was ass if the story was about "serious gangsters" like in SR2, even though it was full of humor and very silly stuff. There are people on the subreddit saying SR1 is better than the new game, solely because of the story.
You then have the more modern fans of 3 and 4, and they wanted it to get even more outrageous, so dialing it back reduced their interest.
The game is a blend between 2 and 3 for me, which I love, but sadly seems to have lost the people that only loved 1+2 or only 3+4
I remember people were saying it bombed after the UK charts came out. Just cause it placed high does not mean it sold well.
Initial reveal didn't do it any favors and the game being a buggy mess on top of having dated design and graphics did the rest.
Hasn't RF Guerrilla Remarstered done fairly well though? Red Faction 1 pitched its geo-mod tech as revolutionary and it was really cool for the time. Few developers these days do that kind of destruction and if Volition could make a modern version of that, I feel like that could draw a lot of players.I feel like that would make even less money than Saints Row. Both Red Faction Guerrilla and Armageddon underperformed enough that Thq announced formally they wouldn't make any more of them. I can't see Embracer bringing the series back as anything near AAA.
Red Faction franchise won't continue 'in any meaningful way'
Red Faction: Armageddon has signaled the end of not just a familiar red planet, but an entire, transmedia universe. Speaking during an investor call this evening, THQ CEO Brian Farrell described the franchise's reach as "niche," and consequently no longer worth pursuing. "Given that that title...
It's clearly underperformed from his words. A more successful outcome would have him shouting from the rooftops.
Maybe they'll try again in the Steam release next year.
"polarized fan reception"
How did they not expect this? Quite literary from the moment the first trailer dropped a lot of the older fans were complaining that it looked too similar to a certain other game and gave off too much of a "zoomer" vibe.
How did they not expect this? Quite literary from the moment the first trailer dropped a lot of the older fans were complaining that it looked too similar to a certain other game and gave off too much of a "zoomer" vibe.
It just was not good in any way or shape. Its was a smallish, lifeless open world. It was not impressive in any technical aspect. The game design felt like one of the first 360 era open world games, when they were kind if figuring that stuff out. The story and characters and writing was just laughable and on top of all of that it was absolutely riddled with bugs. This is the first game that i truly regret buying in many years.
If SR CEO is sadge and dissapoint in the #2 selling game last month, wonder how the rest of the CEOs feel - there was a list floating around on this forum.
Rebooting the series with a brand new cast of characters but not doing anything to improve or shake up the gameplay was a recipe for alienating old and new fans. RE7 managed to pull this off by doing genuinely new things.
They shouldn't be surprised since:
- The game is definitely not polished. It's a damn bug fest.
- It's a departure from 3 and 4, which perhaps most of the fanbase likes now.
- On the PC front, you make the game exclusive to the Epic Games Store.
It's an okay game. Has its fun moments, aside from some of the annoying issues preventing it from being a smooth experience.
- The game is definitely not polished. It's a damn bug fest.
- It's a departure from 3 and 4, which perhaps most of the fanbase likes now.
- On the PC front, you make the game exclusive to the Epic Games Store.
It's an okay game. Has its fun moments, aside from some of the annoying issues preventing it from being a smooth experience.
I've only played two Saints Row games long ago but just watching the game play of this one, it just looks to play as bad as I remember the ones I played, the gun play play, aiming, ugh it horrible in those Saints Row 4, one with aliens. Sure it has the bigger scale etc. but the core looked underwhelming to me.
It's a pity this underperformed as in many ways it was a real return to form for the franchise. Probably my personal favourite since 2, but you can really feel the budget constraints in places, especially when it comes to side activities.
I think Saints Row is in an awkward spot. Too many different people have different views on what the franchise is supposed to be. In terms of tone/style the new game is still a little too over-the-top, but definitely closer to true Saints Row than the last two games. Yet, so many others saw it as too grounded and feel that the tone missed the mark. The series has too many identities.
I still liked it tho.
I think Saints Row is in an awkward spot. Too many different people have different views on what the franchise is supposed to be. In terms of tone/style the new game is still a little too over-the-top, but definitely closer to true Saints Row than the last two games. Yet, so many others saw it as too grounded and feel that the tone missed the mark. The series has too many identities.
I still liked it tho.
Even if it has I don't think it's done well enough to go and spend tens of millions of dollars on another game. Seems extremely risky to me. But I'm not sure what game Volition could make that wouldn't underperform now.
Honestly the gunplay felt worse to me than any previous Saints Row game. No matter how I adjusted it, it felt bad. The sensitivity felt off, enemies seem to have invincibility frame dodge rolls, and they eat multiple headshots like candy even with their durability turned all the way down in settings.
it's just not a good game.
Even ignoring the technical issues (which is pretty hard to do, I had so many of them) the game is just anemic as fuck. The story feels incredibly lame and toothless, the RP stuff is the only good thing but even that's been done better by other games. Most of the side content was a complete snoozefest also.
The only "reboot" here is the characters, otherwise the game is just a watered down SR3 with more bugs.
Even ignoring the technical issues (which is pretty hard to do, I had so many of them) the game is just anemic as fuck. The story feels incredibly lame and toothless, the RP stuff is the only good thing but even that's been done better by other games. Most of the side content was a complete snoozefest also.
The only "reboot" here is the characters, otherwise the game is just a watered down SR3 with more bugs.
Every time I read Embracer it seems to be either them buying something or some bad news about a game. Please keep KoTORR safe.
As a fan of Saint's Row since the first one (and as someone who has loved the direction and humor each subsequent game took, including Gat Out of Hell), I am 100% not interested in this game.
If it was the same characters, or same universe even, I would at least play it. When it comes down to it, I liked Saint's Row because I found it to be genuinely funny and wacky.
If it was the same characters, or same universe even, I would at least play it. When it comes down to it, I liked Saint's Row because I found it to be genuinely funny and wacky.
Wasn't it revealed that the western branches of square were still bleeding money despite the good sales of their games because of the insane budgets they had?
It's a cross gen game that struggle on new gen while not being a looker.
And of course, the bugs.
It fall in the category of : will play later on Game Pass / on sales when the game will be in a good state.
If you aren't the next big thing, people will makes choice and you better be ready at launch.
And of course, the bugs.
It fall in the category of : will play later on Game Pass / on sales when the game will be in a good state.
If you aren't the next big thing, people will makes choice and you better be ready at launch.
Does not surprise me. The way you described it makes me think of the fourth game 😂 Shooting was horrible, enemies just sort of appear, an absolute chore even power smashes.
It seemed to find a perhaps smaller, but very passionate fanbase so hopefully it continues in some manner.
Personally, I thought it was solid, but not great. The setting was really pretty and I liked the introduction ofabilities I forgot 4 actually had them, too and the wingsuit (though I think the latter was poorly implemented), but I didn't care for a lot of the tone/writing between the protagonists that a lot of people seemed to really love. The game was also buggy as shit. Like I said in the OT, for as much deserved shit as GTA Remastered got, I found Saints Row to be even worse in my playthrough, especially as it pertained to gameplay affecting bugs and not just aesthetic bullshit.
I'd get a sequel to this one, but probably on sale and not at launch like I did with this one.
Personally, I thought it was solid, but not great. The setting was really pretty and I liked the introduction of
I'd get a sequel to this one, but probably on sale and not at launch like I did with this one.
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Yeah no shit.
I just hope they give Darksiders 4 a decent budget, though I'm probably in for a disappointment.
I just hope they give Darksiders 4 a decent budget, though I'm probably in for a disappointment.
I played the game and liked it at first but after certain missions i was just baffled how bad it played and went back to SR4 to check out if i was overreacting. Nope, SR 4 played better from the first second. I'm not talking about the setting, the characters or anything like that. Just the gameplay, the set pieces, etc.
I sold SR and played SR4 for a few more hours.
It's unbelievable that they weren't able to at least get to the gameplay level of SR4.
I think the game could've been way more successful with more way, way more polish, way better marketing and better executed set pieces.
I sold SR and played SR4 for a few more hours.
It's unbelievable that they weren't able to at least get to the gameplay level of SR4.
I think the game could've been way more successful with more way, way more polish, way better marketing and better executed set pieces.
Same. If the story and tone of the game was polarizing, that is what it is. You can't force people to like the direction they decided to go. But it sucks to think that the game could have been delayed to launch in a more stable state. That at least was completely within their control.
For sure. Underneath the bugs(which they're taking care of) its just a fun Saints Row game. Story is kinda bland but the gameplay is a ton of fun.