Engadget: Microsoft Was Right in 2013
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Nah. An always online console forced on the user was stupid then and is stupid now.
My internet went out a few weeks back for around three days; what would have happened had the Xbox One required online checks? Locked out of my games?
My internet went out a few weeks back for around three days; what would have happened had the Xbox One required online checks? Locked out of my games?
Their plan comes to fruition 5 years later and they were right all along? No. They were a gen ahead. Always online might work this upcoming gen, but we weren't ready for it and now it's clear their intentions weren't for the betterment of the gamer.
I honestly don't think I need to go into how anti-consumer the approach is. We know what it was and we know why they didn't do it. The reasons have not changed. They still apply today and they certainly were not right in 2013.
Saying it could work 5 years after the fact does not mean they were right. It means they were wrong.
(And it's still wrong today.)
Sure my console is online all the time, that doesn't mean it should be forced to connect every 24 hrs. I travel with my console a lot with no network whatsoever so I play what doesn't need a connection.
The others I'm still iffy about. I can see some benefits but also negatives.
The others I'm still iffy about. I can see some benefits but also negatives.
microsoft was right in 2013 for what would happen in the future
the console market wasn't ready in 2013 though
they read the tea leaves correctly but they scared the shit out of consumers in the process who needed to reach that conclusion on their own
the console market wasn't ready in 2013 though
they read the tea leaves correctly but they scared the shit out of consumers in the process who needed to reach that conclusion on their own
I don't think this video makes the case that Microsoft was right. I could've told you that an always-online system could've worked back then, as WoW existed well before that. I still think Microsoft should've stuck to its original vision and doubled down on making the online experience so good that people wouldn't have wanted an offline experience. That said, I think Microsoft's issue was that Microsoft told people where things were going, rather than allowing it to happen more naturally.
Microsoft was wrong then and they're still wrong now. Can't wait to see them go in the streaming direction in two years with increased internet service prices and everyone rejects them yet again. It will be classic.
Fuck this shit. Last year due to an ice storm my internet was down for a month, what was I gonna do stare at a brick underneath my tv for that whole month?
The way they presented the Xbox One was a disaster, as was pointed out in the video. The fact is the largest games are online, and the majority of consoles are connected to the internet. Next gen will be a continuation of this, and the next step as streaming becomes a major factor
Completely disagree. If you announced the E3 2013 Xbox One today, it'd still be torn to shreds. What Microsoft was saying about the state of gaming and its future then is still wrong. Yes, most game players are now absolutely comfortable with an always-online system, but they still want --no, demand-- all of the traditional expectations of a console pre-internet, too. And those expectations trump the successes of online services and games, as impressive as they are.
Be online should never be forced without a strong reason (multiplayer games should require to be online).
So they were wrong in the past and they wrong today.
Be online should be always optional.. you choose to buy an always online game... it is your decision.
If MS wants to be always online with their machine then I choose not to buy it like happened with gamers in 2013 and it will happen today.
So they were wrong in the past and they wrong today.
Be online should be always optional.. you choose to buy an always online game... it is your decision.
If MS wants to be always online with their machine then I choose not to buy it like happened with gamers in 2013 and it will happen today.
The issue is more than the online was mandatory for the machine to work instead of an optional feature
My ps4 is always connected like the video implies, but at least I don't have this problem where I think that I'm forced to have it connected
That's what Microsoft fucked up (And the price and used games)
My ps4 is always connected like the video implies, but at least I don't have this problem where I think that I'm forced to have it connected
That's what Microsoft fucked up (And the price and used games)
They really really weren't. As someone who doesn't have great internet - in consistency or speed - Xbox's vision would exclude me from playing a lot of the time. And make no mistake - there is no tangible benefit to Microsoft's attempted schemes, other than smoke and mirrors PR.
Due to the very nature that we don't currently require 24hr DRM right now but we still have games that are always connected as well as games that do not require any internet connection. Why can't we have both?
Forcing a draconian 24hr online drm check on consumers was stupid then and will be stupid next gen. I dare Microsoft to try it next gen since Engadget thinks they are right.
No thanks.
Yeah, I'm connected 99% of the time. That doesn't mean I want all my shit to stop working when my internet connection drops out.
Yes, use the internet for things like multiplayer that require it to function, obviously.
No, don't make things that don't require it depend on it. That should be equally fucking obvious.
Yeah, I'm connected 99% of the time. That doesn't mean I want all my shit to stop working when my internet connection drops out.
Yes, use the internet for things like multiplayer that require it to function, obviously.
No, don't make things that don't require it depend on it. That should be equally fucking obvious.
I'm sorry but I still don't think always online is a good thing. And I don't think I ever will. Yes online functionality is in a lot of games, but it will never be in ALL games. And I definitely do not want it to be.
I honestly feel for my friend who lives in Nevada who's internet isnt' even 300KBPS and cuts out all the time due to only having 1 ISP in his area. It's seriously the most anti-consumer thing. It's always online DRM if the game does *not* need it.
I honestly feel for my friend who lives in Nevada who's internet isnt' even 300KBPS and cuts out all the time due to only having 1 ISP in his area. It's seriously the most anti-consumer thing. It's always online DRM if the game does *not* need it.
Having to connect to the internet every 24 hrs or your console won't work was bullshit & im glad it got the blow back it did. I understand & even to some extent agree with the idea of your console always being connected to the internet, but not having access to the internet for a few days should not result in your console not working.
It's still anti-consumer and Sony's approach of blocking crossplay also isn't right at all.
They were right based on the always online stuff...which basically happened anyways without the extra benefits that we would have gotten.
They were terribly wrong about Kinect 2 though. That was a huge misstep.
They were terribly wrong about Kinect 2 though. That was a huge misstep.
The market wants a choice.
To have a camera or not. (X1 originally included the Kinect camera, which raised the costs. PS4 Camera was optional, and sold well to the people who wanted it.)
Online or offline. Not everyone can be online all the time. Shocker, I know.
Digital or physical games.
To have a camera or not. (X1 originally included the Kinect camera, which raised the costs. PS4 Camera was optional, and sold well to the people who wanted it.)
Online or offline. Not everyone can be online all the time. Shocker, I know.
Digital or physical games.
So they are right now. What of the original vision has survived?
TV Focus. No
Always online DRM. No
Kinect. No
UI. No
Cloud supported game computing. MIA
Microsoft has some good services right now. None of which were present in the 2013 vision, other than some nebulous games are a service now. No shit. Guess who also has this vision EVERY FUCKING MARKET COMPETITOR SINCE THE END OF LAST GEN.
They were so right. And their games lineup ended our faves. Platformers AND walking sims? Nintendo and Sony shaking. If they get next gen right, they've got this.
The entire argument of the video is disingenuous. Consoles being perpetually connected to the internet for online multiplayer and streaming apps has little to do with needing a networked connection to play Last of Us, God of War, Halo, and so on by yourself without worrying that a random maintenance period will remove your ability to play single player.
Microsoft wasn't right even if multiplayer games are everywhere because no one was talking about multiplayer.
Microsoft wasn't right even if multiplayer games are everywhere because no one was talking about multiplayer.
Exactly.
Digital options : Yes, of course.
Digital dependency and screwing with physical games : nooooope
They could try it again today and the response from both Sony and the general public would be exactly the same.
You can write your cute contrarian video scripts and try to rewrite history all you want, but the fact is that Microsoft was so wrong they're still reeling from those mistakes five years later, and they know better than anyone that, no, they were not right.
You can write your cute contrarian video scripts and try to rewrite history all you want, but the fact is that Microsoft was so wrong they're still reeling from those mistakes five years later, and they know better than anyone that, no, they were not right.
They're still wrong though. The video fails to mention that the likes of Dota, League, and Fortnite are free. PUBG is half the price of a standard retail release. Overwatch was the only real equivalent yet nothing is stopping someone from handing their disc to a friend or selling it on their own. Besides, the market already decided who was right in the end.
To be fair, they said you'd be able to connect the original Xbox One using your phone as a hotspot for a short check in.
I think they should've waited until the release of the Xbox one X to propose such a "radical" idea and it would've had a much better response. Probably mostly positive as opposed to almost unanimously negative other than a small percentage that were holding a "wait and see" approach
I think they should've waited until the release of the Xbox one X to propose such a "radical" idea and it would've had a much better response. Probably mostly positive as opposed to almost unanimously negative other than a small percentage that were holding a "wait and see" approach
There is simply no consumer benefit to mandatory log-ins every 24 hours in order to access your game. If your internet or the console's network shits the bed for over 24 consecutive hours it would turn your console into a very expensive brick.