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Epic’s Statement on Misinformation & Abuse
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I didn't really follow the Ooblets situation because I just figured, fair enough, can't hate on devs wanting stability. Were fake screenshots a thing back when that happened? That's...pretty fucked up.
Just couldn't help getting their "multi-store future" marketing buzzwords in. And what's the technical analysis referring to? That time they got caught siphoning your Steam files?
A little surprised that this is when they chose to make a statement rather than the previous times to be honest. The response to Shenmue, Metro, and Phoenix Point seemed more heated.
A little surprised that this is when they chose to make a statement rather than the previous times to be honest. The response to Shenmue, Metro, and Phoenix Point seemed more heated.
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Some folks were passing around a doctored discord comment saying "Gamers deserve the gas chamber"
harassment and fake screenshots are inexcusable, regardless of what you think about EGS or their business practices
Well, they can at least get Sweeney to refrain from things like that "That was Awesome!" tweet he did while the Ooblets team were already dealing with a mountain of muck at their feet.
Nobody can stop it, but Epic can take some heat and PR work away from developers: releasing supporting statements, promoting their game, taking over refunds/support etc.
By this time, EGS should have a plan and guidelines for developers who sign up for EGS-exclusive path.
At times I get the impression these attitudes not only don't get any better when it comes this medium, but they actually just keep getting worse. It's baffling and I sincerely don't know how we could make it any better. People really need to gain some perspective. Videogames cannot end up occupying such a central role in your life that you feel compelled to trespass personal boundaries in their "defense".
Come on, man. Even if you hate the dude and the deal they made with the fury of a thousand suns, defending your business partners when they are facing this shitstorm is the least you can do.
over a video game store even. its like getting upset over walmart vs target.
Imagine if people used that energy on actually important topics.
People have the right to be upset over the language used by the Ooblets devs on their EGS exclusivity announcement, but can't be denied that this non-stop hatred for business about videogames, a completely optional hobby where they offer you an entertainment product, and nothing else, must be stopped, or at least chill. I hate capitalism as much as the next dude, but I also understand that without capitalism, the gaming industry doesn't exist.
Yeah, I agree with this article. Epic really shouldn't be claiming the moral high ground here.
[Edit] For clarity, no, there's no acceptable reason for harassment.
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It always sucks when toxic people bandwagon onto a legitimate complaint and make the whole conversation untenable.
Harassment has no place in society. There's no reason to threaten innocent people with injury or death, especially not for financial decisions they make regarding PC storefronts.
That said, it doesn't help when Tim Sweeney is stoking the fires on Twitter and making Epic's words look pretty hollow. If they could get him to say this I'd be more inclined to think they're genuine.
That said, it doesn't help when Tim Sweeney is stoking the fires on Twitter and making Epic's words look pretty hollow. If they could get him to say this I'd be more inclined to think they're genuine.
Yeah this statement is kind of contradictory to Tim's tweets yesterday. I imagine he will delete those soon.
EDIT: no this is not condoning harassment. Don't harass people.
It seems to happen every day.
I'm no psychologist but I'd imagine these people aren't very happy in general.
Sweeney threw grease on the fire and now here he comes with the baking soda. Hard to take his statement seriously after that.
This kinda rings hollow coming from Epic when Tim Sweeney himself is out there spreading misinformation. Like the whole "if steam goes down to 12% we'll stop exclusives", while having admitted himself that 12% is not sustainable for Epic store, that has far less features than steam.
It's mentioned in the RockPaperShotgun article linked earlier, but some context:
I think it's fair to think their blog post was too harsh but it in no way justifies the amount of harassment and abuse the developers have had to deal with. Epic should also be doing much more to help developers deal with this stuff, having some statement like this after it already happened doesn't help.
I think it's fair to think their blog post was too harsh but it in no way justifies the amount of harassment and abuse the developers have had to deal with. Epic should also be doing much more to help developers deal with this stuff, having some statement like this after it already happened doesn't help.
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I mean, they could stop buying exclusives. It's Epic's policies that are resulting in this backlash, some of which has gone way too far and is rightfully condemned. If they don't want to stop ruining the PC gaming scene, they could at the very least get Tim to stop throwing petrol on the flames.
Oh, going by just the title I assumed this was a thing on Epic's own misinformation these last 9 months.
This is what happens when you base your identity around a certain platform, it's console wars all over again where people take it to the extreme.
The response to this has been embarrassing. I'm saying that as someone who's all on board the "fuck EGS" train.
2 or 3 days after Ooblets' ill-conceived announcement, Epic CEO Tim Sweeney took to Twitter and decided to rile people up further with his usual sad attempts at being funny. Is that what they mean when they say they will support their partners? The CEO will try to meme the mob into silence?
It's not when what you are actually clearly doing is kicking the hornets nest for shits and giggles.
I don't see why this should make me reassess. It's completely possible to be unhappy with how Epic handles itself and its service without resorting to being a knobhead about it.
I don't think they do to be honest. I'm sure there was a lot of anxiety on the devs part about this and they could have handled it better for sure. But some people have been overreacting to the original blog post like the devs came over to their house and punched them in the gut.
Fake screenshots and personal harassment are inexcusable no matter what the dev did (whose attitude is to blame on a certain level in this situation though), but this is a bit hypocritical of Epic considering its CEO, Tim Sweeney, was contributing to all the situation with flaming tweets, and basically ignore everything about the "healthy, truthful discussion" and valid complaints about the EGS.
This is what this is in answer to, coming from the Ooblets Devs themselves:
That's some Grade A victim blaming you got there. The devs carry 0% of the responsibility for getting targeted by a hate mob for releasing the game on another digital store than some wished and the communication around it. None.
That's some Grade A victim blaming you got there. The devs carry 0% of the responsibility for getting targeted by a hate mob for releasing the game on another digital store than some wished and the communication around it. None.
Epic is not the one threatening people and harassing developers though.
You are surprised internet is full of awful toxic people?
Fuck off RPS you streaks of piss.
People shouldn't be sending death threats over fucking video games. For any reason. Actually it's not even over video games, it's over a fucking launcher. People need to grow the fuck up. Get outta here with this 'well you shouldn't poke the bear nonsense'. That bear being smelly, unwashed basement dwellers with nothing else worth doing that threatening people over something that doesn't really matter.
I just mean some ppl may not be aware of how far they are going attacking EGS and may have normalized certain aggressive behaviors as justifiable. It is good to self-reflect when abuse is happening imo and see how much you are personally contributing even if u dont characterize yourself as a participant. Especially since it isn't just about death threats being sent but also creating an environment where someone may think that it's ok to do so
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